MB update

[Sdel]

Seems like the real concern here is projection over how LK is going to pay her medical bills….

[ekat]

@eggbutt

Gosh, I have no idea. Do you? You seem to be making a grand leap of assumption though, aren’t you? And here’s another question for you…who had access to his safe other than Barisone himself? What a puzzle.

Just saying, to be clear, there were two inoperable semi-automatic hand guns and two absolutely operational revolvers found in the safe. Plus the shotguns or whatever they were.

[cutter99]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@eggbutt

@CurrentlyHorseless

with known mental problems and for permitting guns on the property.

Hmmmm, exactly who should have known about Barisone’s well handled problems he had worked on for YEARS with apparent success? And please explain what working “farm” type facility isn’t permitted to have guns on the property. Will you be objecting to shovels in the back of a farm truck next?

Here’s a question for you, Eggbutt. It came up in the trial that MB had several hand guns or revolvers (in addition to long guns) in his gun safe, but the hand gun/revolver type guns were not operational due to having their firing pins removed.

Why would the firing pins have been removed? Did someone realize that, given MBs known problems, he should not have access to functional hand guns?

Not @eggbutt, but I will take a crack at this!

Maybe the guns were collector’s items, antiques, that were in no condition to be fired for safety reasons.

Who do you think was going to pull those pins @CurrentlyHorseless?

Should we assume LK, a.k.a The Barefoot Ninja, snuck in there and pulled the pins for the safety of the rest of the world since she admitted on the stand she had violated the privacy Michael’s office?

Or maybe it was that superhero RG? But he wouldn’t be afraid of guns as he dodges bullets like a pro! The Marvel Universe super heros ain’t got nothing on RG!

[ekat]

@cutter99

Not @eggbutt, but I will take a crack at this!

Maybe the guns were collector’s items, antiques, that were in no condition to be fired for safety reasons.

Who do you think was going to pull those pins @CurrentlyHorseless?

Should we assume The Barefoot Ninja snuck in there and pulled the pins for the safety of the rest of the world since she admitted on the stand she had violated the privacy Michael’s office?

Or maybe it was that superhero RG? But he wouldn’t be afraid of guns as he dodges bullets like a pro! The Marvel Universe super hero ain’t got nothing on RG!

And…why pull the pins of some, but leave operational guns sitting right next to them? I mean, if there’s some implication regarding pulling the pins for someone’s safety or whatever we are trying to imply.

[Sdel]

@ekat

@cutter99

Not @eggbutt, but I will take a crack at this!

Maybe the guns were collector’s items, antiques, that were in no condition to be fired for safety reasons.

Who do you think was going to pull those pins @CurrentlyHorseless?

Should we assume The Barefoot Ninja snuck in there and pulled the pins for the safety of the rest of the world since she admitted on the stand she had violated the privacy Michael’s office?

Or maybe it was that superhero RG? But he wouldn’t be afraid of guns as he dodges bullets like a pro! The Marvel Universe super hero ain’t got nothing on RG!

And…why pull the pins of some, but leave operational guns sitting right next to them?

And while we are at it…why not load the full magazine into the gun? Why stick it in your pocket.

You know, maybe MB sat down at the table waiting for them to bring something from inside…

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Sdel

@ekat

I think it’s also telling that SGF has been by far the most aggressive in litigating this to date. (Plus that whole indemnification waiver they claim to have)

There is a lot of emphasis on MB not having insurance that is really odd considering:

1. the claim MB didn’t own SGF. If MB didn’t “own” SGF, why would he be concerned about if they owned insurance or not. His liability can’t be transferred to SGF and theirs can’t be transferred to him.

2. there was testimony about the amount MB paid in insurance during the criminal trial. So, he either paid for insurance or someone is obliquely stating there was perjury going on. Since that testimony came from prosecution witnesses under oath, I guess we should take their word for it over unconnected random nobodies.

Each party generally would have liability insurance in order to protect themselves. SGF probably did have liability insurance along with fire insurance on the farm. MB should have had liability insurance written on himself personally or on this business, MBD, LLC.

SGF is asserting in their cross claim that they are not liable for MBs actions.

What kind of insurance was testified to in the trial? Medical? Mortality insurance on the horses? Insurance on the vehicles? Workers compensation?Liability insurance?

I’m not saying, directly or obliquely, that anyone committed perjury. He could well have paid for some types of insurance, but not others.

I’m guessing he did not have medical insurance and that his business, MBD, LLC, did not have liability insurance. But I have no way of knowing.

I wonder why he did not pay a $25,000 hospital bill if he has “millions” as Bilinkas claimed in court. He’ll also be expecting the unpaid doctors to testify as to his injuries in the trial.

[trubandloki]

@CurrentlyHorseless

I wonder why he did not pay a $25,000 hospital bill if he has “millions” as Bilinkas claimed in court.

Did you forget the part where he was in jail?

[cutter99]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Sdel

@ekat

I think it’s also telling that SGF has been by far the most aggressive in litigating this to date. (Plus that whole indemnification waiver they claim to have)

There is a lot of emphasis on MB not having insurance that is really odd considering:

1. the claim MB didn’t own SGF. If MB didn’t “own” SGF, why would he be concerned about if they owned insurance or not. His liability can’t be transferred to SGF and theirs can’t be transferred to him.

2. there was testimony about the amount MB paid in insurance during the criminal trial. So, he either paid for insurance or someone is obliquely stating there was perjury going on. Since that testimony came from prosecution witnesses under oath, I guess we should take their word for it over unconnected random nobodies.

Each party generally would have liability insurance in order to protect themselves. SGF probably did have liability insurance along with fire insurance on the farm. MB should have had liability insurance written on himself personally or on this business, MBD, LLC.

SGF is asserting in their cross claim that they are not liable for MBs actions.

What kind of insurance was testified to in the trial? Medical? Mortality insurance on the horses? Insurance on the vehicles? Workers compensation?Liability insurance?

I’m not saying, directly or obliquely, that anyone committed perjury. He could well have paid for some types of insurance, but not others.

I’m guessing he did not have medical insurance and that his business, MBD, LLC, did not have liability insurance. But I have no way of knowing.

I wonder why he did not pay a $25,000 hospital bill if he has “millions” as Bilinkas claimed in court. He’ll also be expecting the unpaid doctors to testify as to his injuries in the trial.

If the man were a successful businessman, which was testified to in court, why would you assume he had no insurance???

Is this another one of those movies in your head?

I would suggest this is something more nefarious on your part- just another poorly concealed attempt to guide the narrative in a negative direction for Michael.

Nice try, but the entire board sees what you attempt to do!

You are 100% correct about one thing- you have no way of knowing!

[ekat]

@CurrentlyHorseless

I’m guessing he did not have medical insurance and that his business, MBD, LLC, did not have liability insurance. But I have no way of knowing.

I’m guessing he did have medical insurance and one of several things happened:

He was not coherent. And he’s been locked up since. Perhaps he didn’t give correct info, and by the time someone got it to the hospital, insurance denied it as being too late.

He hadn’t met his deductible.

Paperwork was filled out as this being a personal injury matter that someone else might be responsible for, and bills were on hold. Now that the lawsuit isn’t stayed, hospital filed this as a future lien against any settlements. (This scenario has happened to more than one person I know, including myself, except I wasn’t the party arrested).

Med insurance originally paid it and determined they paid it in error and clawed back from the hospital.

happens.

[Sdel]

@CurrentlyHorseless

What kind of insurance was testified to in the trial? Medical? Mortality insurance on the horses? Insurance on the vehicles? Workers compensation?Liability insurance?

Doesn’t matter, you are attempting to put forth multiple claims of “bad business practices” in an attempt to pin liability and negligence on MB’s part. Something that has already been disproven under oath. Carrying insurance is a good business practice, and the odds are likely that if he carried one type, he carried health insurance and all the relevant types he needed to. Tarshis seems to have made sure of that.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@eggbutt

@CurrentlyHorseless

Why would the firing pins have been removed? Did someone realize that, given MBs known problems, he should not have access to functional hand guns?

Gosh, I have no idea. Do you? You seem to be making a grand leap of assumption though, aren’t you? And here’s another question for you…who had access to his safe other than Barisone himself? What a puzzle.

I think LK is primarily going after the insurance company for SGF. She will need to establish that they were negligent in releasing the property to someone with known mental problems. If the firing pins were removed to prevent the guns being used by MB, that goes pretty far toward showing that his mental problems and his potential for violence were known.

If LKs lawyers argue that in court, do you have an alternative explanation for why the firing pins were removed?

It’s not a “grand leap” at all. It’s the obvious question to be asking.

[Knights_Mom]

@trubandloki

@CurrentlyHorseless

I wonder why he did not pay a $25,000 hospital bill if he has “millions” as Bilinkas claimed in court.

Did you forget the part where he was in jail?

Happens all the time with deceased or incarcerated people. Happened with my dad too. After the estate was settled I was notified of a claim filed in court for a medical bill I knew nothing about. I also called the exterminators to do a yearly treatment and was told payment was due from the previous year and my dad was normally one to pay right away until he was hospitalized.

It happens.

[iberianfan]

Don’t you think that would have been raised in the criminal trial?
I don’t understand why you can presume all kinds of things, but nobody else can s peculate, according to you.

[Sdel]

@CurrentlyHorseless

I think LK is primarily going after the insurance company for SGF. She will need to establish that they were negligent in releasing the property to someone with known mental problems.

News flash…people are allowed to have mental health problems. It’s not illegal or negligent to lease property to people with mental health problems. In fact, it is highly illegal to discriminate against people with mental health issues. Or are you suggesting that everyone with mental health issues should be homeless because it’s dangerous to lease property to them?

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Sdel

@CurrentlyHorseless

Given that hospitals are stiffed by uninsured patients all the time, many of whom genuinely don’t have the funds to pay their bills, and can’t refuse treatment of uninsured patients, they compensate with what seems like huge bills to keep their doors open.

Oh, I see what your trying to do here. Downplay his injuries by suggesting the entirety of his medical bills were $25K, which he didn’t pay because he didn’t have insurance….

Newsflash, his broken arm alone cost well north of 25k to fix.

Was his arm broken or dislocated?

I would not surprised at a hospital/doctor bill for $25,000 for the orthopedic treatment of the arm plus any diagnostic procedures to check for concussion or other injuries.

[ekat]

@CurrentlyHorseless

I think LK is primarily going after the insurance company for SGF

I still disagree with you, based on the actual legal documents in the lawsuit.

@CurrentlyHorseless

She will need to establish that they were negligent in releasing the property to someone with known mental problems

That indemnification waiver shoots that out of the water.

@CurrentlyHorseless

If the firing pins were removed to prevent the guns being used by MB, that goes pretty far toward showing that his mental problems and his potential for violence were known.

If only there weren’t two operational revolvers plus some shotguns also in the safe…

@CurrentlyHorseless

If LKs lawyers argue that in court, do you have an alternative explanation for why the firing pins were removed?

Only matters if all the firearms were disabled. They weren’t.

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@eggbutt

@CurrentlyHorseless

Why would the firing pins have been removed? Did someone realize that, given MBs known problems, he should not have access to functional hand guns?

Gosh, I have no idea. Do you? You seem to be making a grand leap of assumption though, aren’t you? And here’s another question for you…who had access to his safe other than Barisone himself? What a puzzle.

I think LK is primarily going after the insurance company for SGF. She will need to establish that they were negligent in releasing the property to someone with known mental problems. If the firing pins were removed to prevent the guns being used by MB, that goes pretty far toward showing that his mental problems and his potential for violence were known.

If LKs lawyers argue that in court, do you have an alternative explanation for why the firing pins were removed?

It’s not a “grand leap” at all. It’s the obvious question to be asking.

The highlighted section was you just making stuff up to prove a faulty point. There is zero indication that was done or why it would have been done. Your statement is a lie.

Not cool.

[eggbutt]

@CurrentlyHorseless

someone with known mental problems.

Let me ask you ONE MORE TIME, known by whom? Until you can answer that question with authority, I’d suggest you refrain from making the statement again to keep from making yourself look foolish.

[cutter99]

Diagnostic procedures on a concussion alone will run over $30K. I know from experience. Anything in an operating room will be much higher.

[Sdel]

@CurrentlyHorseless

I would not surprised at a hospital/doctor bill for $25,000 for the orthopedic treatment of the arm plus any diagnostic procedures to check for concussion or other injuries.

Ahmm…my simple broken hand, surgery only, was 25k. Not including all the docs and everything else with it. MB had a lot worse.