MB update

[eggbutt]

Any equestrian whether trainer, breeder, rider, etc who doesn’t have health insurance is a blithering idiot. Serious injury can occur within seconds around horses of any age. Michael is no idiot.

[ekat]

@DownYonder

Sorry - which web site?

https://portal.njcourts.gov/webcivilcj/CIVILCaseJacketWeb/pages/publicAccessDisclaimer.faces

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@cutter99

@CurrentlyHorseless

@cutter99

@CurrentlyHorseless

@MorganSercu

I can’t help but wonder why, when posters throw out that MIchael had no insurance, no personal insurance, no business insurance, etc…why then was there an insurance adjuster who testified about an insurance claim in the trial, amidst LK’s claim of insurance fraud? How does that happen if you are so derelict in your business dealings that you don’t have insurance?

There are lots of different types of insurance, depending on what risk is being insured against, right? There was insurance against the water damage in the farmhouse.

That says nothing about whether MB or MBD, LLC carried liability insurance or whether he had medical insurance.

There are lots of people who hold liability insurance on their vehicles but no medical insurance.

There are entire advertising campaigns built on bundling insurance policies. I’d be glad to link some commercials here if it would help you to understand @CurrentlyHorseless!

Many people have said Michael was a good businessman. Good businessmen cover their bases with things like insurance to avoid losses. Not hard to understand.

There is absolutely no evidence to speculate Michael did not have insurance coverage. None, point blank!

Once again, you are making up nonsense in order to attempt to distract from the real issue- “FINISH THE BASTARD”!

No thanks on your offer to send me links to commercials of insurance companies.

When awarding damages, IMHO a jury is much more likely to ding an insurance company for a huge award than an individual person.

Some people say MB was a good businessman and worth millions. Some say he had cash flow problems and didn’t have written contracts or liability waivers “to cover their bases” and “avoid losses”. I’ve said before that, in addition to being a training client, LK was enmeshed with MB by messy, “unwritten” deals such as the renovation-for-board, and maybe free board for Jay-T. In the absence of those messy, unbusinesslike deals, it may have been simpler for her to “just leave”.

The fact that the hospital is suing for payment suggests he did not have medical insurance.

So your argument is that his lawyers and supporters say he was a good businessman, and good businessmen have insurance, ergo he had insurance?

His own lawyer testified in court that MB did not have written contracts on the farmhouse lease or on the renovation for board deal. Maybe he wasn’t “a good businessman”.

Funny, your “some say” are admitted liars under oath in a court of law. And yet YOU choose to believe them.

That says a whole lot about you!

It was his friend and lawyer who said he didn’t have written contracts on the house lease or renovation for board deal. Most dressage trainers have a cash flow problem of some degree, and in MBs case, the farm had an especially high ratio of personal horses to client horses.

LK admitted to lying on SM. That’s very different from lying under oath. You seem to keep forgetting that. I do believe that he had serious financial stresses. I think those stresses pushed him into wanting to keep LK around until he found a replacement client, despite MHGs animosity with LK.

Perhaps all the finances will come out in the civil trial.

She lied under oath too. Everybody saw and heard it. Just ask the YT commenters. Just another reason MB was found NG.

[Sdel]

@smoofox

There were lectures for a long while about how MB’s relationships being the major issue,… and then a brief flurry about firing pins… and now it seems the insurance is the Next Major Issue that simply must be exposed…

It’s been pretty obvious, LK’s only real hope of getting the pay out she dreams about is if somehow SGF’s insurance companies circumvent the whole trial process and concede to her demands of a payout before all the evidence against her can come out.

The real head scratcher is because there are multiple parties and one doesn’t have any control over the others. Even if SGF insurance somehow pays out before the trial…that doesn’t prevent Michael from moving forward with the process. I imagine RC is in the background because she has already sold the item LK wanted from her, her half of MHG’s GP horse that she is having success with.

It’s pretty clear the breakdown is this:
SGF she expects to get money from
Michael she expects to get the farm from
And RC she expected to get her half of MHG’s horse to compete on

All of which allows her to “have” her horsey Olympic fantasy.

The real reason they are trying to build a narrative of no insurance is to limit in our minds what Michael can “settle the suit with”. The problem is, even if Michael goes forward and loses everything……the court can’t award his farm and it seems under FL law they can’t force him to sell it either.

[Knights_Mom]

@Sdel

@CurrentlyHorseless

The fact that the hospital is suing for payment suggests he did not have medical insurance.

No it doesn’t.

As I said earlier after my dad died certain medical bills came forward via suit. Dad was insured by Medicare and had top of the line employer ‘state job as chief vacuumer for the city’ insurance as well.

It happens.

[trubandloki]

@Knights_Mom

Dad was insured by Medicare and had top of the line employer ‘state job as chief vacuumer for the city’ insurance as well.

So vacuuming runs in your family, hu?
You probably learned your skillful line work from him!

[ekat]

@Knights_Mom

She lied under oath too. Everybody saw and heard it. Just ask the YT commenters. Just another reason MB was found NG.

It’s almost like they expect LK to have answered questions under oath by saying, “ok, hang on, I’m going to tell a whopper now”. Or: “warning, even though I swore to tell the truth, the answer I am about to give you is not.”

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

ETA. it’s evident that LK was seriously injured, with medical bills, pain and suffering, and some permanent physical damage.

Too bad she didn’t choose to just leave despite all the indications of things going wrong and all the offers to help her vacate. How much better it would have been for all. Surely a cautionary tale for anyone involved in disputes of any kind.

[Sdel]

@Knights_Mom

Too bad she didn’t choose to just leave despite all the indications of things going wrong and all the offers to help her vacate. How much better it would have been for all. Surely a cautionary tale for anyone involved in disputes of any kind.

Maybe they shouldn’t have tried to use the gun on Micheal….since I doubt it was still in the safe when he went to go look for it.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Sdel

@ekat

@DownYonder

Question: Where did the info come from that MB is being sued by the hospital for $25,000?

The filing is on the website right under the civil suit.

So, who first brought it up? Wasn’t that CH? So, they can conveniently follow the case jacket for Michael but not the social media of LK?

No, it was not me that first brought it up.

[Knights_Mom]

@trubandloki

@Knights_Mom

Dad was insured by Medicare and had top of the line employer ‘state job as chief vacuumer for the city’ insurance as well.

So vacuuming runs in your family, hu?
You probably learned your skillful line work from him!

I am a 2nd generation vacuumer.

[Bogey2]

Farm insurance does not usually have a medical ins. option. Liability is a given with Horse Farm insurance.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Sdel

@ekat

Nevertheless, he made those deals, and didn’t bother to use written contracts which might have reduced the scope for disagreement.

Responding to CH’s bolding:

This is a very fact assertive comment for an unconnected nobody who only has the “word” of someone who testified under oath that they lie and just say “stuff” on SM and who has only ever gotten their “evidence” from the body of possible lies found on social media.

It was his attorney who said under oath during the criminal trial that he, the attorney, knew for a fact that there were no written contracts on those deals.

I have not “only ever gotten” my “evidence from the body of possible lies found on SM”.

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

I have not “only ever gotten” my “evidence from the body of possible lies found on SM”.

True. You sometimes just make things up too.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@cutter99

@CurrentlyHorseless

@cutter99

@CurrentlyHorseless

@MorganSercu

I can’t help but wonder why, when posters throw out that MIchael had no insurance, no personal insurance, no business insurance, etc…why then was there an insurance adjuster who testified about an insurance claim in the trial, amidst LK’s claim of insurance fraud? How does that happen if you are so derelict in your business dealings that you don’t have insurance?

There are lots of different types of insurance, depending on what risk is being insured against, right? There was insurance against the water damage in the farmhouse.

That says nothing about whether MB or MBD, LLC carried liability insurance or whether he had medical insurance.

There are lots of people who hold liability insurance on their vehicles but no medical insurance.

There are entire advertising campaigns built on bundling insurance policies. I’d be glad to link some commercials here if it would help you to understand @CurrentlyHorseless!

Many people have said Michael was a good businessman. Good businessmen cover their bases with things like insurance to avoid losses. Not hard to understand.

There is absolutely no evidence to speculate Michael did not have insurance coverage. None, point blank!

Once again, you are making up nonsense in order to attempt to distract from the real issue- “FINISH THE BASTARD”!

No thanks on your offer to send me links to commercials of insurance companies.

When awarding damages, IMHO a jury is much more likely to ding an insurance company for a huge award than an individual person.

Some people say MB was a good businessman and worth millions. Some say he had cash flow problems and didn’t have written contracts or liability waivers “to cover their bases” and “avoid losses”. I’ve said before that, in addition to being a training client, LK was enmeshed with MB by messy, “unwritten” deals such as the renovation-for-board, and maybe free board for Jay-T. In the absence of those messy, unbusinesslike deals, it may have been simpler for her to “just leave”.

The fact that the hospital is suing for payment suggests he did not have medical insurance.

So your argument is that his lawyers and supporters say he was a good businessman, and good businessmen have insurance, ergo he had insurance?

His own lawyer testified in court that MB did not have written contracts on the farmhouse lease or on the renovation for board deal. Maybe he wasn’t “a good businessman”.

Funny, your “some say” are admitted liars under oath in a court of law. And yet YOU choose to believe them.

That says a whole lot about you!

It was his friend and lawyer who said he didn’t have written contracts on the house lease or renovation for board deal. Most dressage trainers have a cash flow problem of some degree, and in MBs case, the farm had an especially high ratio of personal horses to client horses.

LK admitted to lying on SM. That’s very different from lying under oath. You seem to keep forgetting that. I do believe that he had serious financial stresses. I think those stresses pushed him into wanting to keep LK around until he found a replacement client, despite MHGs animosity with LK.

Perhaps all the finances will come out in the civil trial.

She lied under oath too. Everybody saw and heard it. Just ask the YT commenters. Just another reason MB was found NG.

I don’t know that she lied under oath.

MB was not found NG with respect to the attempted murder of LK.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Bogey2

Farm insurance does not usually have a medical ins. option. Liability is a given with Horse Farm insurance.

Yes, that is why he would need to take out a separate medical insurance policy if he wanted that coverage.

[trubandloki]

Sometimes there is no written contract for certain aspects of life because that lack of written contractor is what the buyer wanted. So in this case, since LK has a top 10 international blue chip law firm on speed dial, and a Daddy that is a big wig lawyer, I am doubting that not having a contract was something the just let pass unless it benefitted them.

[LilRanger]

I’m confused as to why it matters if MB had health insurance? It wouldn’t pay for anyone else’s health care.

If he owes money to the hospital, that will be part of his counter-claim for damages against LK, so having a lawsuit helps him prove that issue, rather than piece-meal bills from various providers.

Also, many hospitals have indigency funds through various mechanisms that pay for services to the under and uninsured.

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@cutter99

@CurrentlyHorseless

@cutter99

@CurrentlyHorseless

@MorganSercu

I can’t help but wonder why, when posters throw out that MIchael had no insurance, no personal insurance, no business insurance, etc…why then was there an insurance adjuster who testified about an insurance claim in the trial, amidst LK’s claim of insurance fraud? How does that happen if you are so derelict in your business dealings that you don’t have insurance?

There are lots of different types of insurance, depending on what risk is being insured against, right? There was insurance against the water damage in the farmhouse.

That says nothing about whether MB or MBD, LLC carried liability insurance or whether he had medical insurance.

There are lots of people who hold liability insurance on their vehicles but no medical insurance.

There are entire advertising campaigns built on bundling insurance policies. I’d be glad to link some commercials here if it would help you to understand @CurrentlyHorseless!

Many people have said Michael was a good businessman. Good businessmen cover their bases with things like insurance to avoid losses. Not hard to understand.

There is absolutely no evidence to speculate Michael did not have insurance coverage. None, point blank!

Once again, you are making up nonsense in order to attempt to distract from the real issue- “FINISH THE BASTARD”!

No thanks on your offer to send me links to commercials of insurance companies.

When awarding damages, IMHO a jury is much more likely to ding an insurance company for a huge award than an individual person.

Some people say MB was a good businessman and worth millions. Some say he had cash flow problems and didn’t have written contracts or liability waivers “to cover their bases” and “avoid losses”. I’ve said before that, in addition to being a training client, LK was enmeshed with MB by messy, “unwritten” deals such as the renovation-for-board, and maybe free board for Jay-T. In the absence of those messy, unbusinesslike deals, it may have been simpler for her to “just leave”.

The fact that the hospital is suing for payment suggests he did not have medical insurance.

So your argument is that his lawyers and supporters say he was a good businessman, and good businessmen have insurance, ergo he had insurance?

His own lawyer testified in court that MB did not have written contracts on the farmhouse lease or on the renovation for board deal. Maybe he wasn’t “a good businessman”.

Funny, your “some say” are admitted liars under oath in a court of law. And yet YOU choose to believe them.

That says a whole lot about you!

It was his friend and lawyer who said he didn’t have written contracts on the house lease or renovation for board deal. Most dressage trainers have a cash flow problem of some degree, and in MBs case, the farm had an especially high ratio of personal horses to client horses.

LK admitted to lying on SM. That’s very different from lying under oath. You seem to keep forgetting that. I do believe that he had serious financial stresses. I think those stresses pushed him into wanting to keep LK around until he found a replacement client, despite MHGs animosity with LK.

Perhaps all the finances will come out in the civil trial.

She lied under oath too. Everybody saw and heard it. Just ask the YT commenters. Just another reason MB was found NG.

I don’t know that she lied under oath.

MB was not found NG with respect to the attempted murder of LK.

He was found straight NG in respect to RG and NG with respect to LK which is why he will be getting out soon.

Accept this or not but your acceptance is not a requirement of it being true.

[trubandloki]

@LilRanger

I’m confused as to why it matters if MB had health insurance? It wouldn’t pay for anyone else’s health care.

This is a good question.

The only thing I can think of is this insurance thing is their something that sparkles in their left hand while they steal your wallet with their right hand. Don’t look over here, look at the sparkly thing! That way all the logical answers to the evil will not be discussed.