MB update

[DownYonder]

I’m wondering if something was going on in the Current Events forum. I never really go there as it is too full of posts from people venting their spleens about something, but I just took a peak at it and there are some topics that seem to be blowing up. My very cursory glance at it indicates there is a lot of hate being spewed there, so maybe COTH took the entire BB down so the Mods could deal with some of the more toxic posts/posters.

Just a thought…

[trubandloki]

I have the CE forum hidden.
I would think that if all they wanted to do is clean up the CE forum they would simply lock that down.

I am guessing there was simply some problem with the platform that COTH had no control over (or the more fun idea that Judge T closed us down once again to keep LK safe).

[eggbutt]

Wait, this isn’t the most active, controversial, critically important thread/topic of all time?

[trubandloki]

@eggbutt

Wait, this isn’t the most active, controversial, critically important thread/topic of all time?

It does have the most adorable SquireL of all times.

That reminds me. I need to go check out the GoFundMe to see if there are any updates and if nothing else smile at SquireL.

[DownYonder]

@eggbutt

Wait, this isn’t the most active, controversial, critically important thread/topic of all time?

[ekat]

@SuzieQNutter

I am sure that if MB had cash flow problems, in Court they would have produced unpaid bills.

Or something more relevant than a 9 month old text where Michael lists out his expenses but even he doesn’t say he has cash flow problems. Schellhorn did.

[DownYonder]

@ekat

Or something more relevant than a 9 month old text where Michael lists out his expenses but even he doesn’t say he has cash flow problems. Schellhorn did.

And it’s a shame that MHG wasn’t given the chance to elaborate on that point. “The income he received from her was only enough to support two (?) horses. But she kept acquiring more horses, and had four there at the time, and another one in quarantine that she was planning to bring to the farm. More horses = more costs in feed, hay, labor costs, plus farrier care, etc. Absorbing those costs affected the business’s bottom line, so yes, her free-loading extra horses affected his cash flow.”

[ekat]

@DownYonder

And it’s a shame that MHG wasn’t given the chance to elaborate on that point. “The income he received from her was only enough to support two (?) horses. But she kept acquiring more horses, and had four there at the time, and another one in quarantine that she was planning to bring to the farm. More horses = more costs in feed, hay, labor costs, plus farrier care, etc. Absorbing those costs affected the business’s bottom line, so yes, her free-loading extra horses affected his cash flow.”

Ultimately I don’t think it mattered in the criminal trial. The jury sent a clear message about what mattered when they rewatched Dr Simring.

I would bet, though, that Mr Deininger will make all of your points in the civil trial and all of the extra expenses she was costing him might be more relevant.

[MHM]

@DownYonder

Absorbing those costs affected the business’s bottom line, so yes, her free-loading extra horses affected his cash flow.”

I’m sure the LK fans would try to turn that around on MHG, ignoring the fact that there were probably customers or co-owners footing the bills on MHG’s horses, as RC said she did with her horse.

[ekat]

@MHM

I’m sure the LK fans would try to turn that around on MHG, ignoring the fact that there were probably customers or co-owners footing the bills on MHG’s horses, as RC said she did with her horse.

Heck, RC testified to paying board and train for two horses.

[eggbutt]

This appropriate quote popped up on my FB feed this morning. Food for thought!

[KurPlexed]

@Warmblood1

Also, the prosecutor suggested cash flow problems. No where in testimony is it stated that MB had cash flow problems. It was stated that MB was concerned about money. I can’t imagine a business owner that isn’t, especially one with 40-50k a month in expenses. This is a narrative the prosecution was trying to build that you are holding onto. Again, bias.

If MB did have money problems maybe, just maybe, it was bc:

Boarders were moving out bc of LK

He was unable to teach bc he was distracted and had no sleep bc of LK

He was unable to travel for clinics bc of LK

He had to fork out 5k for PI bc of LK

Hummmm, maybe LK will be held responsible for that 25k hospital bill.

[Warmblood1]

Prosecution suggested cash flow problems to build a narrative. No where in testimony does it state MB had cash flow issues. MB said he was concerned about cash flow. That’s it. The idea of cash flow issues has been manipulated like crazy by HH.

I agree with @trubandloki, if MB did have cash flow issues, even better reason to get LK OUT. She was driving away business and not providing MB with any profit. The agreement was never for 4, pending 5 horses. And free board for a horse? This isn’t UNICEF.

I do believe MB could have waited to pay the hospital bill until after the civil suit in case LK were to pay his medical expenses. That would seem smart to me.

[ekat]

@Warmblood1

Prosecution suggested cash flow problems to build a narrative. No where in testimony does it state MB had cash flow issues. MB said he was concerned about cash flow. That’s it. The idea of cash flow issues has been manipulated like crazy by HH.

I agree with @trubandloki, if MB did have cash flow issues, even better reason to get LK OUT. She was driving away business and not providing MB with any profit. The agreement was never for 4, pending 5 horses. And free board for a horse? This isn’t UNICEF.

I do believe MB could have waited to pay the hospital bill until after the civil suit in case LK were to pay his medical expenses. That would seem smart to me.

It’s interesting to me how if you want to live with the cash flow narrative, you cherry pick Schellhorn asking MHG about a text conversation that happened nine months before the incident, with no context and no further, more current discussions between MHG and Michael.

But then I guess we choose to ignore Schellhorn asking her about Michael doing clinics, and the high price a clinician of his caliber would get, and how popular and loved he was as a clinician (hint: possible solutions to get some cash?)

Or, when Mr B asked MHG about his investment accounts, his farm in FL, etc… and

Mr B: did Michael usually always make his payments and keep things afloat?

MHG: Always.

Apparently that doesn’t help the narrative that he needed her discounted board and all the associated problems.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Sdel

@CurrentlyHorseless

Some people say MB was a good businessman and worth millions. Some say he had cash flow problems and didn’t have written contracts or liability waivers “to cover their bases” and “avoid losses”. I’ve said before that, in addition to being a training client, LK was enmeshed with MB by messy, “unwritten” deals such as the renovation-for-board, and maybe free board for Jay-T. In the absence of those messy, unbusinesslike deals, it may have been simpler for her to “just leave”.

Hmmm…so, LK said she not only had recorded her “deals’ but had also gotten them in writing. So….hmm….

Also, according to other public data, MB had whole filing cabinets of business documents.

He also seems to have put LK’s eviction notice into writing.

So, I wonder, who benefits the most from these nonsensical claims that he didn’t do things in writing? Maybe the person looking to forge signatures and produce fake contracts?

Also, who routinely takes out a lease for a weekend guest?

Really? I don’t remember her saying she had the deals in writing. Signed by Barisone?

Yes, his lawyer put the demand to vacate in writing— on August 6. That date is important. It means that he did not put in writing a demand to vacate prior to Aug 6.

It was his own lawyer who said under oath in the criminal trial that he did not have written contracts fit his desks with LK.

There’s no evidence LK forged documents, or tried to.

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@CurrentlyHorseless

Yes, his lawyer put the demand to vacate in writing— on August 6. That date is important. It means that he did not put in writing a demand to vacate prior to Aug 6.

Except for both LK and Mr Tarshis testified she got a notice on August 5th. Mr T then served further docs on Aug 6th.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@LilRanger

@CurrentlyHorseless

It was his attorney who said under oath during the criminal trial that he, the attorney, knew for a fact that there were no written contracts on those deals.

Did he say the words “know for a fact” or did he say he wasn’t aware of any contracts? Just curious.

He said he knew there were no contracts.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Knights_Mom

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@cutter99

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@MorganSercu

I can’t help but wonder why, when posters throw out that MIchael had no insurance, no personal insurance, no business insurance, etc…why then was there an insurance adjuster who testified about an insurance claim in the trial, amidst LK’s claim of insurance fraud? How does that happen if you are so derelict in your business dealings that you don’t have insurance?

There are lots of different types of insurance, depending on what risk is being insured against, right? There was insurance against the water damage in the farmhouse.

That says nothing about whether MB or MBD, LLC carried liability insurance or whether he had medical insurance.

There are lots of people who hold liability insurance on their vehicles but no medical insurance.

There are entire advertising campaigns built on bundling insurance policies. I’d be glad to link some commercials here if it would help you to understand @CurrentlyHorseless!

Many people have said Michael was a good businessman. Good businessmen cover their bases with things like insurance to avoid losses. Not hard to understand.

There is absolutely no evidence to speculate Michael did not have insurance coverage. None, point blank!

Once again, you are making up nonsense in order to attempt to distract from the real issue- “FINISH THE BASTARD”!

No thanks on your offer to send me links to commercials of insurance companies.

When awarding damages, IMHO a jury is much more likely to ding an insurance company for a huge award than an individual person.

Some people say MB was a good businessman and worth millions. Some say he had cash flow problems and didn’t have written contracts or liability waivers “to cover their bases” and “avoid losses”. I’ve said before that, in addition to being a training client, LK was enmeshed with MB by messy, “unwritten” deals such as the renovation-for-board, and maybe free board for Jay-T. In the absence of those messy, unbusinesslike deals, it may have been simpler for her to “just leave”.

The fact that the hospital is suing for payment suggests he did not have medical insurance.

So your argument is that his lawyers and supporters say he was a good businessman, and good businessmen have insurance, ergo he had insurance?

His own lawyer testified in court that MB did not have written contracts on the farmhouse lease or on the renovation for board deal. Maybe he wasn’t “a good businessman”.

Funny, your “some say” are admitted liars under oath in a court of law. And yet YOU choose to believe them.

That says a whole lot about you!

It was his friend and lawyer who said he didn’t have written contracts on the house lease or renovation for board deal. Most dressage trainers have a cash flow problem of some degree, and in MBs case, the farm had an especially high ratio of personal horses to client horses.

LK admitted to lying on SM. That’s very different from lying under oath. You seem to keep forgetting that. I do believe that he had serious financial stresses. I think those stresses pushed him into wanting to keep LK around until he found a replacement client, despite MHGs animosity with LK.

Perhaps all the finances will come out in the civil trial.

She lied under oath too. Everybody saw and heard it. Just ask the YT commenters. Just another reason MB was found NG.

I don’t know that she lied under oath.

MB was not found NG with respect to the attempted murder of LK.

He was found straight NG in respect to RG and NG with respect to LK which is why he will be getting out soon.

Accept this or not but your acceptance is not a requirement of it being true.

MB was found not guilty by reason of insanity wrt the shooting of LK, which is why he is facing a Kroll hearing.

Accept this or not, but your continuing to misstate it as not guilty will not get him released any earlier.

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@Sdel

IThe real head scratcher is because there are multiple parties and one doesn’t have any control over the others. Even if SGF insurance somehow pays out before the trial…that doesn’t prevent Michael from moving forward with the process. I imagine RC is in the background because she has already sold the item LK wanted from her, her half of MHG’s GP horse that she is having success with.

It’s pretty clear the breakdown is this:
SGF she expects to get money from
Michael she expects to get the farm from
And RC she expected to get her half of MHG’s horse to compete on

All of which allows her to “have” her horsey Olympic fantasy.

Besides MHG, there are about 15 people in the United States who could successfully ride Don Divone with enough tact, sensitivity, feel, and skill in order to be successful at the international level. This group of people does not include the plaintiff in the civil suits against SGF, MB and RC.

[Sdel]

@CurrentlyHorseless

Really? I don’t remember her saying she had the deals in writing. Signed by Barisone?

Well, they are there.