MB update

[Sdel]

@CurrentlyHorseless

As I recall, MBs own expert witness testified that MB told him that he remembered getting the gun from the safe and heading over there. I think it’s really, really hard to establish self defense if you’re the own that drove over to the other parties armed with a lethal weapon.

Hearsay. He could have been mistaken or misspoke. He was getting very passionate about Michael’s fear of LK at that point in his testimony. Michael’s amnesia was supposed to have started from a time before CPS arrived.

[ekat]

@Sdel

Hearsay. He could have been mistaken or misspoke. Michael’s amnesia was supposed to have started from a time before CPS arrived.

Also not impossible that a disordered mind believed it was true.

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

There was not any evidence that MB “was jumped” and shot her in self defense, which is why the judge did not permit Bilinkas to present a theory of self defense, which is why he was not found not guilty by reason of self defense

Correction. There was not any evidence ALLOWED BY THE JUDGE PRESIDING OVER THE CRIMINAL TRIAL that MB “was jumped” and shot her in self defense, which is why the judge PRESIDING OVER THE CRIMINAL TRIAL did not permit Bilinkas to present a theory of self defense,

As @Knights_Mom said, if the civil suit and counterclaims go to trial, that means new court, new judge, new jury

We will just have to wait and see what happens.

DIFFERENCE OF OPINION

I’ve stated before, and still believe, that what the judge “did not allow” was for Bilinkas to push a theory of self defense to the jury, given that Bilinkas had offered no evidence on the basis of which to push that theory.

Barisone pled both self defense and NGRI. If there were any evidence that it was self defense, Bilinkas could have entered it. What evidence that it was self defense did Bilinkas attempt to enter into the record that was rejected by the judge?

As I recall, MBs own expert witness testified that MB told him that he remembered getting the gun from the safe and heading over there. I think it’s really, really hard to establish self defense if you’re the own that drove over to the other parties armed with a lethal weapon.

The judge did not block evidence of self defense. There was no evidence of self defense offered.

Yay for you. Believe what you want. You’ve been wrong before so at least you’re used to it.

[Knights_Mom]

@Bogey2

A real Marine does not just follow orders

He wasn’t one so we’re good.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@ekat

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

id she actually write her own board checks? Or did her father still write checks for her expenses?

She testified her dad wrote the checks, for what that’s worth.

Dad likes to keep TIGHT control over the funds.

I wonder why?

[jvanrens]

@ekat

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

Did she actually write her own board checks? Or did her father still write checks for her expenses?

She testified her dad wrote the checks, for what that’s worth.

I thought she testified that daddy gets the money from the bank, but I’m not up to listening that testimony again to see if my memory works well or not.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@Sdel

Her interrogatories made it seem unsure that there was a paper trail for daddy’s checks….

THAT’S interesting.

I assume they will follow up on that during the deposition phase. In detail.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

I wonder if she paid the $5,000 for August board and MB deposited the check before MBs lawyer sent her the demand to vacate on Aug 6.

Wait.

Did she actually write her own board checks? Or did her father still write checks for her expenses?

Or is it just that he’s the trustee over her spendthrift trust, or discretionary trust, or whatever it is, so he keeps her on a bit of leash, but she actually does get to go through the token exercise of writing a check?

Any thoughts? I seem to recollect you claimed to be a financial professional on a different thread. How do you think the theoretical trust works?

LK testified in the trial that her father writes the checks on an account which is “her money”. I don’t know anything about LK having a trust — that’s your “theory”.

When I said I wondered if she “had paid” for August, I just meant whether her payment had already been made via the usual procedure, which she testified to as being her father writing the checks.

Do people even literally “write checks” anymore? I put everything predictable like rent on automatic bill pay and let the computer print the check with no effort on my part.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Sdel

@CurrentlyHorseless

As I recall, MBs own expert witness testified that MB told him that he remembered getting the gun from the safe and heading over there. I think it’s really, really hard to establish self defense if you’re the own that drove over to the other parties armed with a lethal weapon.

Hearsay. He could have been mistaken or misspoke. He was getting very passionate about Michael’s fear of LK at that point in his testimony. Michael’s amnesia was supposed to have started from a time before CPS arrived.

As I recall, the judge ruled it as not hearsay.

[ekat]

@jvanrens

I thought she testified that daddy gets the money from the bank, but I’m not up to listening that testimony again to see if my memory works well or not.

She did. She said it’s her money but dad writes the checks. Then Mr B asked where the money came from. The Bank.

[ekat]

@CurrentlyHorseless

When I said I wondered if she “had paid” for August, I just meant whether her payment had already been made via the usual procedure, which she testified to as being her father writing the checks.

RG testified that they had quit paying Michael for board, for what his testimony is worth.

[jvanrens]

@ekat

@jvanrens

I thought she testified that daddy gets the money from the bank, but I’m not up to listening that testimony again to see if my memory works well or not.

She did. She said it’s her money but dad writes the checks. Then Mr B asked where the money came from. The Bank.

Thank you! I was starting to wonder…

[ekat]

@jvanrens

Thank you! I was starting to wonder…

Well, her testimony was very hard to follow. That happens when you can’t remember your stories.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@jvanrens

I thought she testified that daddy gets the money from the bank, but I’m not up to listening that testimony again to see if my memory works well or not.

I think she said her lifestyle was funded by “her money” but that her money comes from her father. And then Bilinkas asked where her father’s money comes from, and the answer was “the bank.”

The Judge then warned Bilinkas to move on with questions.

In my opinion, Bilinkas was trying to rattle his witness a little bit on the stand. Out of respect for the mods, we won’t go down this road any further.

Last thing though… I sincerely wonder if there is any trust that disburses funds to a checking account that LK gets to write checks on. Or… has JK never had enough faith in her sobriety and life track to actually commit funds to that, and name her as a beneficiary? Perhaps, instead, he’s kept firm hold on all funds and just written checks when he believes she is pursuing life goals that merit support. It DOES seem like her lifestyle and the company she was keeping, etc, changed quite a bit sometime between 2013-2015 when she began riding more.

[Sdel]

@CurrentlyHorseless

As I recall, the judge ruled it as not hearsay.

Expert testimony is by definition hearsay. It’s just exempted for special reasons. The judge clearly explained that to the jury.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Sdel

@ekat

She testified her dad wrote the checks, for what that’s worth.

Her interrogatories made it seem unsure that there was a paper trail for daddy’s checks….

What does that even mean, @Sdel?

That there was no literal “paper trail”? Paper checks, to the extent they’re used at all, are usually scanned and destroyed.

Are you claiming that there is neither a paper nor electronic record of these bank transactions? That would be a really really serious problem for the whole banking system.

[JanM]

My guess it’s like the old fashioned remittance men, who for a variety of reasons were supported by their rich families, but only if they went away, and never came back. In you-know-who’s case, I’m sure staying away from family and the family home is a condition of financial support.

[jvanrens]

True that! Why I don’t lie, I don’t trust my memory for the most part. It’s easier to just 'fess up and get it over with. Of course I’ve never pulled some stunts like some people have.

[Aussie_2020]

I hope I don’t cause any head dents or hair pulling with this question - in the video that was posted by HH (s)he noted a time that dealt with MB having money issues. Schellhorn was questioning MHG on the list of bills paid monthly. One of those bills was insurance payments. It wasn’t specified what insurance. CH seemed to insist MB didn’t have insurance. Hmmm, so what/who do you think he was paying?

[ekat]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

name her as a beneficiary?

Even being named a beneficiary doesn’t necessarily give you access to funds beyond what’s dispersed to you. That’s the trustee’s job - to protect and manage the trust in the interest of the beneficiaries.