MB update

[ekat]

@jvanrens

True that! Why I don’t lie, I don’t trust my memory for the most part. It’s easier to just 'fess up and get it over with. Of course I’ve never pulled some stunts like some people have.

Well, hopefully, since she’s been going back to YT so much, she’s had time to study, rehearse, nail a story down, figure out why her testimony didn’t match between day 1 on the stand and day 2, so she can have a better performance in the civil trial.

She might not even notice when they use her past performances to impeach her again.

Truth is so much easier.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@ekat

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

name her as a beneficiary?

Even being named a beneficiary doesn’t necessarily give you access to funds beyond what’s dispersed to you. That’s the trustee’s job - to protect and manage the trust in the interest of the beneficiaries.

Correct. But, even if JK was trustee and LK was beneficiary, and the terms of the trust allowed him to maintain STRINGENT control… disbursements would still go to her accounts, and she would presumably write checks for her own expenses.

I wonder who exactly was writing monthly board checks to MB. If it was JK… I wonder why…

[Sdel]

@CurrentlyHorseless

That there was no literal “paper trail”? Paper checks, to the extent they’re used at all, are usually scanned and destroyed.

LK was asked to provide documents of rent payments in her first set of interrogatories. Her answer seemed to be unsure that there were documents to provide….

“maybe her dad had cancelled checks”…

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@JanM

My guess it’s like the old fashioned remittance men, who for a variety of reasons were supported by their rich families, but only if they went away, and never came back. In you-know-who’s case, I’m sure staying away from family and the family home is a condition of financial support.

I hear you in theory.

But a certain someone lived in NC from 2000 ish to 2010 ish. Far away from family. And it sure seems like she wasn’t receiving the same degree of family financial support back then.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@BigMama1

@iberianfan

I have a theory. I think CH, HH and the other one (I forget) are playing games like YD used to do. They pick on a word or phrase out of context and beat it to death. And when one (g) responds, they deflect and do not answer the question asked.

That’s why they (particularly CH) remind me of Yankee Duchess so much. It’s the repeated flogging of a long since deceased equine, the harping over and over again on one specific point or fact, despite being shown over and and over again why that point is erroneous, the dogged determination with which they stick to their narrative, knowing full well it’s false, and the attempts to derail interesting discussions with completely irrelevant nonsense.

So which point is “a dead horse”?

That NGRI is different from NG?

That the jury verdict indicates that the jury as fact finders determined that, beyond a reasonable doubt, MB shot her?

That there’s no evidence that MB actually asked her to leave prior to Aug 5?

No one has shown me that these points “are erroneous”. Stated over and over that they’re erroneous, sure. Stated that they don’t want these points brought up, sure. But “shown over and over again why that point is erroneous”? No.

ETA. I’m not an “LK fan girl”. I’ve stated that I intensely dislike using SM to trash and torment people, and that goes for LKs SM behavior as well as the behavior that dominates the “Barisone threads”. I think she bears significant responsibility for the ugliness of the situation that led to the tragedy, just not 100% of the responsibility.

[MorganSercu]

Think of how easy it is to steal title to a home from a family member if you know (or can gain access to) their Social Security number, birth date and other personal information. Now think about how secure your information is from any sketchy people in your inner circle - or theirs.

[Knights_Mom]

Just a reminder that Civil cases and Criminal cases do not necessarily mean the same conclusion or finding. Given how much evidence that could have helped MB even further on the criminal case was excluded I predict the civil case will be even more so.

Here’s a reminder:

[ekat]

I keep going back to that argument Mr B had with Judge T about questioning RG about the timeline. Mr B kept saying the only evidence of the timeline was the word of two liars and he was entitled to question it. Judge T kept saying no. Judge Sceusi may not be as wrong as Judge T was.

[Sdel]

@CurrentlyHorseless

I’ve stated that I intensely dislike using SM to trash and torment people, and that goes for LKs SM behavior as well as the behavior that dominates the “Barisone threads”.

But not enough to answer multiple direct questions about why you don’t make the same fuss over RG or have actually had a direct conversation with LK about her nastygrams.

[MorganSercu]

Dammit. So I went and found Nicole Brown Simpon’s and Ronald Goldman’s autopsy reports. That is rough reading.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

That there’s no evidence that MB actually asked her to leave prior to Aug 5?

When and why did JK hire ED? I k ow there was a meeting at EDs office on 08/06. But it seems like the decision to hire a real estate attorney specialized in tenant disputes POSSIBLY took a little longer than 24 hours, and JK and LK had a smidgen of a clue that she was about to be evicted prior to the 08/05 notification…

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Sdel

@CurrentlyHorseless

That there was no literal “paper trail”? Paper checks, to the extent they’re used at all, are usually scanned and destroyed.

LK was asked to provide documents of rent payments in her first set of interrogatories. Her answer seemed to be unsure that there were documents to provide….

“maybe her dad had cancelled checks”…

She answered that “maybe her dad had cancelled checks”? I seriously doubt he would have literal, old fashioned, canceled paper checks. He would undoubtedly have electronic records of the payments, or could get them from the bank. Likewise, MB would have, or could obtain, electronic records of having received payment.

[KurPlexed]

@CurrentlyHorseless

I mean what I stated. There is enough evidence to establish that he shot her for a jury to unanimously agree that, beyond a reasonable doubt, the prosecution proved all elements of its case other than intent. That is, “that he shot her

Question for the legal peeps. (And I totally admit this may be the dumbest Question on these threads but if you don’t ask you don’t know) but… is CH correct? Was the prosecution trying to prove he shot her or were they only trying to prove that he was not insane at the time of the event? Is that why no GSR or ballistics were presented? lol

[ekat]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

When and why did JK hire ED? I k ow there was a meeting at EDs office on 08/06. But it seems like the decision to hire a real estate attorney specialized in tenant disputes POSSIBLY took a little longer than 24 hours, and JK and LK had a smidgen of a clue that she was about to be evicted prior to the 08/05 notification…

Hired on Aug 5th, first meeting on Aug 6th. AFTER Daddy’s negotiated exit plan fell apart and Mr Tarshis sent a get out letter to LK.

[Sdel]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Sdel

@CurrentlyHorseless

That there was no literal “paper trail”? Paper checks, to the extent they’re used at all, are usually scanned and destroyed.

LK was asked to provide documents of rent payments in her first set of interrogatories. Her answer seemed to be unsure that there were documents to provide….

“maybe her dad had cancelled checks”…

She answered that “maybe her dad had cancelled checks”? I seriously doubt he would have literal, old fashioned, canceled paper checks. He would undoubtedly have electronic records of the payments, or could get them from the bank. Likewise, MB would have, or could obtain, electronic records of having received payment.

Then surely the interrogatory response would have indicated such records. That was the specific question being asked: what evidence do you have that you were a legal, paying tenant. We are talking about discovery in the civil trial that had to be compelled to get LK to answer.

Are you suggesting that LK was lying or being evasive under oath?

[ekat]

@KurPlexed

Question for the legal peeps. (And I totally admit this may be the dumbest Question on these threads but if you don’t ask you don’t know) but… is CH correct? Was the prosecution trying to prove he shot her or were they only trying to prove that he was not insane at the time of the event? Is that why no GSR or ballistics were presented? lol

They had to establish the elements of the charge beyond a reasonable doubt.

While CH believes the verdict means the State did that, personally I disagree. I think they didn’t want to hang over NG or NGRI, so they compromised. They avoided having to spend a 5 day court recess agonizing over it in their heads because that’s what would have happened if they’d said they were hung that afternoon. Judge T would have instructed them to come back in 5 days and try again.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@ekat

Hired on Aug 5th, first meeting on Aug 6th. AFTER Daddy’s negotiated exit plan fell apart and Mr Tarshis sent a get out letter to LK.

Oh right!!! Daddy was negotiating an exit plan PRIOR to 08/05.

So why again are you so unclear as to whether LK knew that she was wanted out of the facility prior to 08/05 @CurrentlyHorseless ?

If we are to believe LK’s story that she was bullied and tormented… it seems clear she knew by July that everyone at that farm HATED her and wanted her GONE. Like… she had zero friends at the facility. She was a pariah. So why do you think she would be surprised by an 08/05 notice that it was time to leave?

[BigMama1]

@CurrentlyHorseless

That there’s no evidence that MB actually asked her to leave prior to Aug 5?

This point alone has been proven wrong over and over and over again. Dozens of people have taken the time to explain how and why. So why do you cling to this false narrative?

[ekat]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

Oh right!!! Daddy was negotiating an exit plan PRIOR to 08/05.

On Aug 2nd, Mr Tarshis and JK, according to Mr T’s sworn testimony, believed an agreement had been reached. Aug 2nd was a Friday. When LK and her employee were still there Monday morning, he sent notice. And we all saw how that worked.

[Knights_Mom]

@KurPlexed

@CurrentlyHorseless

I mean what I stated. There is enough evidence to establish that he shot her for a jury to unanimously agree that, beyond a reasonable doubt, the prosecution proved all elements of its case other than intent. That is, “that he shot her

Question for the legal peeps. (And I totally admit this may be the dumbest Question on these threads but if you don’t ask you don’t know) but… is CH correct? Was the prosecution trying to prove he shot her or were they only trying to prove that he was not insane at the time of the event? Is that why no GSR or ballistics were presented? lol

No. CH is not correct.

The prosecution was trying to prove both things.

As there were no forensics, only the word of 2 proven liars put the gun in MBs hand and had him trying to shoot to kill in a malicious act.

As discussed here there are many other possibilities - indeed probabilities - that hopefully come out in the Civil trial. And of them self defense is #1. A timeline where LK or RG attacked FIRST is highly, highly, likely.