MB update

[hut-ho78]

@Knights_Mom

@Bogey2

A real Marine does not just follow orders

He wasn’t one so we’re good.

If he was and served honorably then your comment is really uncalled for.

[Knights_Mom]

@hut-ho78

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

There was not any evidence that MB “was jumped” and shot her in self defense, which is why the judge did not permit Bilinkas to present a theory of self defense, which is why he was not found not guilty by reason of self defense

Correction. There was not any evidence ALLOWED BY THE JUDGE PRESIDING OVER THE CRIMINAL TRIAL that MB “was jumped” and shot her in self defense, which is why the judge PRESIDING OVER THE CRIMINAL TRIAL did not permit Bilinkas to present a theory of self defense,

As @Knights_Mom said, if the civil suit and counterclaims go to trial, that means new court, new judge, new jury

We will just have to wait and see what happens.

The judge would have had to allowed evidence showing self defense. None was presented. The defense originally started with not guilty by insanity and self defense which is pretty much admitting he did the deed.

Wrong.

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@hut-ho78

@Knights_Mom

@Bogey2

A real Marine does not just follow orders

He wasn’t one so we’re good.

If he was and served honorably then your comment is really uncalled for.

Prove he did. I would love to see proof he served honorably.

[Joanne]

Before LK entered dressage, I believe she was doing hunters/jumpers. Has anyone from there ever commented if there were personality/behavior problems?

[Knights_Mom]

@hut-ho78

@Knights_Mom

@Bogey2

A real Marine does not just follow orders

He wasn’t one so we’re good.

If he was and served honorably then your comment is really uncalled for.

Boo hoo. I insulted the drug addict convicted criminal.

[ekat]

@Knights_Mom

Wrong

I would bet my car (and I love my car) that if the verdict had gone the other way, Mr B would have overturned Judge T on appeal again on the basis of him not allowing Mr B to question the lying liars about the timeline.

[Knights_Mom]

Agreed!

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

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@Knights_Mom

@Bogey2

A real Marine does not just follow orders
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He wasn’t one so we’re good.

If he was and served honorably then your comment is really uncalled for.

Do you know if he completed bootcamp and his entire commitment? It’s all very vague.

RG’s got drug arrests pretty far back for the last two decades… dating into his late teens, I believe.

People frequently get kicked out of the military for drug arrests (combined with failing drug screenings). Like… that happens all the time.

[ekat]

Also - affirmative defenses are not admissions. Just for clarification, since some people are still clinging to that.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@Joanne

Before LK entered dressage, I believe she was doing hunters/jumpers. Has anyone from there ever commented if there were personality/behavior problems?

She never competed in any significant way in hunters/jumpers, as far as anyone can tell. So it seems like there is scant information. It doesn’t seem like she was doing much of any horse back riding in the early aughts during her young adult years. She was a more active addict back then, apparently.

[hut-ho78]

@ekat

@KurPlexed

Question for the legal peeps. (And I totally admit this may be the dumbest Question on these threads but if you don’t ask you don’t know) but… is CH correct? Was the prosecution trying to prove he shot her or were they only trying to prove that he was not insane at the time of the event? Is that why no GSR or ballistics were presented? lol

They had to establish the elements of the charge beyond a reasonable doubt.

While CH believes the verdict means the State did that, personally I disagree. I think they didn’t want to hang over NG or NGRI, so they compromised. They avoided having to spend a 5 day court recess agonizing over it in their heads because that’s what would have happened if they’d said they were hung that afternoon. Judge T would have instructed them to come back in 5 days and try again.

Without bias, it means exactly what CH said it means, your first sentence.

[ekat]

@hut-ho78

Without bias, it means exactly what CH said it means, your first sentence.

Without bias, no it doesn’t. Neither CH, you or I know what the jury thought, other than they didn’t think he was guilty of anything.

[KurPlexed]

@hut-ho78

I thought it was just tension and teeth grinding from PTSD and the stress of the trial.

This had me curious so I did a quick Google search and came across this video. I’ve never had any experience with this sort of thing but it is interesting.

Drug-Induced Movement Disorders: DISCUS Sample

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@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@BigMama1

@CurrentlyHorseless

That there’s no evidence that MB actually asked her to leave prior to Aug 5?

This point alone has been proven wrong over and over and over again. Dozens of people have taken the time to explain how and why. So why do you cling to this false narrative?

Because I don’t think it’s “a false narrative.”

What is the actual evidence that he asked her to leave prior to Aug 5?

Her father was negotiating an exit strategy with MBs attorney.

In normal boarding situations when a boarder wants to leave a facility they give 30 days notice and then they just GO. There is no need for attorneys. This is prima facie evidence she was asked to leave.

Any other claim by you is at the very least, disingenuous.

If her father was negotiating the terms of her exit, it’s evidence that she was in the process of leaving.

She may have decided to leave for all the reasons you (g) keep talking about. MHG hated her; she was being shunted to the assistant trainer, she understood MB would need to prioritize his girlfriend over a client.

Are you serious? You do realize that we are mostly ALL horse people here and I can assure you that not one of us has had to bring in a lawyer as a boarder to leave one barn and go to another!!

Do you have ANY IDEA how profoundly absurd, ridiculous and questionable this statement is? Do you think we are that gullible? In fact I think you owe us all an apology for your thinking we are that dumb!!

RK was trying to get his self-important daughter out of that situation… LK rejected those efforts. She wanted to stay to finish the bastard. She is one of those people who think they are smarter than everyone else and is playing 5D chess - when they are actually only playing checkers.

If LK had stalls ready elsewhere and had actually decided to leave - she would have been braying about it all over FB instead of playing games and saying she was being bullied by MB and was afraid of him… and rejecting all sorts of offers to help move the horses. She clearly had ZERO intention of leaving and was enjoying her little SM acts.

I remember reading the FB comments about moving the horses and was baffled about why she did not take anyone up on their offers - the horses could have been out in a few hours. I finally realized that all the whinging about how hard it was to move the horses was just another part of the performance.

She knew she was not welcome. She knew she had to leave. We were not privy to every conversation that happened at the time - but the subject would most certainly have come up.

And no, I am not gullible or dumb.

[ekat]

@eggbutt

And imagine the mass of other texts and SM posts that will definitely be fair game in the civil trials. It’s going to be overwhelming the amount of unbecoming data that will be presented, coupled with an apparent 3 person conspiracy to ruin and FINISH THE BASTARD.

Meanwhile, LK is out there in the world continuing to provide fodder to be used against her. It boggles the mind.

[Knights_Mom]

@KurPlexed

@hut-ho78

I thought it was just tension and teeth grinding from PTSD and the stress of the trial.

This had me curious so I did a quick Google search and came across this video. I’ve never had any experience with this sort of thing but it is interesting.

https://youtu.be/QH0qvGEMVks

Wow! Good info to know! Now I know another ‘tell’

[Sdel]

@KurPlexed

@hut-ho78

I thought it was just tension and teeth grinding from PTSD and the stress of the trial.

This had me curious so I did a quick Google search and came across this video. I’ve never had any experience with this sort of thing but it is interesting.

Those kinds of ticks are quite frequently side effects from psychiatric medications as well.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

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@KurPlexed

@hut-ho78

I thought it was just tension and teeth grinding from PTSD and the stress of the trial.
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This had me curious so I did a quick Google search and came across this video. I’ve never had any experience with this sort of thing but it is interesting.

Those kinds of ticks are quite frequently side effects from psychiatric medications as well

Most especially stimulants… Adderall and Ritalin.

Stimulants do have legitimate reasons for being prescribed. But they are also highly addictive, and frequently abused.

[hut-ho78]

@ekat

I keep going back to that argument Mr B had with Judge T about questioning RG about the timeline. Mr B kept saying the only evidence of the timeline was the word of two liars and he was entitled to question it. Judge T kept saying no. Judge Sceusi may not be as wrong as Judge T was.

Judge Sceusi may have a lot more leeway in a civil trial for allowing questioning and evidence than Judge Taylor did in a criminal trial.

[hut-ho78]

@KurPlexed

@ekat

They had to establish the elements of the charge beyond a reasonable doubt

Thank you for the reply. So "establish elements of the charge " could simply be that LK was shot. Period.

And that he shot her.