MB update

[ekat]

@trubandloki

I kept thinking that Krol was some weird word I had just never experienced in life and that is why I did not really know it. But it, like so many legal things is the last name of someone. Until you posted this sentence I had not realized that was the case.

in case you were wondering, his first name was Stefan. Stefan Krol’s case basically rewrote NGRI dispositions in Jersey.

[trubandloki]

@CurrentlyHorseless, do you truly think that anyone is telling MB what is being posted on social media? Do you think he even knows what is going on here or anywhere else? Why do you think people who care about him would think telling him about social media is a smart thing to do?

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Sdel

@CurrentlyHorseless

He is not required to express remorse. But how is it not a contradiction to say “I now understand rationally that I should not have shot her, since I am no longer insane and delusional, but nevertheless I still feel no remorse”?

Maybe LK will get an apology once she apologizes for all her actions that contributed to the shooting. After all, she caused the break that resulted in his delusional state to begin with.

Did I miss the part of your posts where you call for her to own up to how wrong her behavior was and apologize to MB and MHG for putting them through this?

I have not “called for” MB to express remorse for having shot and nearly killed someone. I’ve just pointed out that he hasn’t expressed remorse, and that his understanding that his shooting her was wrong, IMHO, would be relevant to whether he is, or isn’t, still delusional.

I think LK made bad choices and contributed to the crisis MB experienced in the summer of 2019. I don’t think she alone “caused” the mental break down, or that her objective was to cause a mental breakdown. I don’t think her intention was to cause a mental breakdown, to cause him to shoot her and almost but not quite kill her so that she could sue him and take the farm.

Unlike MB, LK is not facing a Krol hearing to determine whether she can be released from a secure psychiatric facility without undue risk to the public.

This thread is not about LK, it’s about MB and the Krol hearing.

I would never in a billion years apologize if I were him. The entire idea is ludicrous. There is still not one iota of proof he shot her - intentionally or not. As far as I’m concerned MB was jumped and in the melee the gun discharged.

Soon he will be free living his best life and in very high demand from all appearances.

I doubt his lawyers are recommending he say this at the Krol hearing! It would indicate he is still delusional. If he is sane, he would know from the trial proceedings that the jury as fact finders determined beyond a reasonable doubt that he shot her.

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Joanne

@SierraMist

And it appears from the continued threads here that many people want him to get out and continue his “war” with LK and her family.

Raise your hand if you feel this statement is true.

I think a slightly modified version is true. People who consider themselves his supporters 1) want him released, and 2) those supporters want to continue their SM war with LK and her family. It is not clear whether MB himself wants to continue the war. If his delusions have been vanquished, I would guess not.

IMHO, the motivation for continuing the war is because some people think trashing someone is fun, they dislike LK for their own reasons, or they think tearing down LK, and her family, and anyone who expresses empathy for her, somehow “helps” MB.

Speaking for myself I’m not at war with anyone and your buddy is of no concern to me at all. I wouldn’t waste my time.

Please stop bringing her up.

Unless of course you know she is desperate to take up space in MBs head. Or ours. Which she doesn’t.

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

If he is sane, he would know from the trial proceedings that the jury as fact finders determined beyond a reasonable doubt that he shot her.

That’s not how this works. Repeating it doesn’t make it true.

[trubandloki]

I do not have the time or energy to be at war with anyone or anything.

I do have the energy to stick up for someone whose life has been intentionally ruined by someone else who took great joy in ruining it.

[trubandloki]

@ekat

in case you were wondering, his first name was Stefan. Stefan Krol’s case basically rewrote NGRI dispositions in Jersey.

Did Stefan ever get out?

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

If he is sane, he would know from the trial proceedings that the jury as fact finders determined beyond a reasonable doubt that he shot her.

That’s not how this works. Repeating it doesn’t make it true.

I agree that it’s not the repeating of it that makes it true.

[ekat]

@trubandloki

Did Stefan ever get out?

You know, I’ve never been able to find out much about what happened to him after that decision. Admittedly I’ve never spent a lot of time looking. And now I want to. Maybe this afternoon…

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

If he is sane, he would know from the trial proceedings that the jury as fact finders determined beyond a reasonable doubt that he shot her.

That’s not how this works. Repeating it doesn’t make it true.

I agree that it’s not the repeating of it that makes it true.

Nor does anything else.

[Warmblood1]

@trubandloki

There is a big difference between having a nice hair cut and treating people like humans.
Only allowing hair cuts for hygiene reasons is not treating them like humans.

I understand where you are coming from. And I don’t have any personal experience with AK, I could be totally wrong.

But I will say that most people working in these hospitals are there for the right reason. They genuinely want to help people. The field is tough and there are easier jobs, to be honest.

If a patient has a legitimate concern, usually staff will do what they can to address it, especially if it affects the patient’s well being. Usually the only real barriers to requests are safety issues that may go along with those requests.

Fortunately, most people inpatient are not there long term enough for long hair to be an issue. And often, as unfortunate as it is, if they are there long enough, they are not concerned about hair.

[trubandloki]

@trubandloki

@CurrentlyHorseless, do you truly think that anyone is telling MB what is being posted on social media? Do you think he even knows what is going on here or anywhere else? Why do you think people who care about him would think telling him about social media is a smart thing to do?

Hey @CurrentlyHorseless! You must have missed this question (or set of questions I guess) that I asked you.

I admit, I did not ask @eggbutt if I was allowed to ask them first. Should I do that?

[trubandloki]

@Warmblood1

I understand where you are coming from. And I don’t have any personal experience with AK, I could be totally wrong.

But I will say that most people working in these hospitals are there for the right reason. They genuinely want to help people. The field is tough and there are easier jobs, to be honest.

If a patient has a legitimate concern, usually staff will do what they can to address it, especially if it affects the patient’s well being. Usually the only real barriers to requests are safety issues that may go along with those requests.

Fortunately, most people inpatient are not there long term enough for long hair to be an issue. And often, as unfortunate as it is, if they are there long enough, they are not concerned about hair.

Thanks for clarifying!
This makes me feel much better.

[ekat]

@Warmblood1

understand where you are coming from. And I don’t have any personal experience with AK, I could be totally wrong.

But I will say that most people working in these hospitals are there for the right reason. They genuinely want to help people. The field is tough and there are easier jobs, to be honest.

If a patient has a legitimate concern, usually staff will do what they can to address it, especially if it affects the patient’s well being. Usually the only real barriers to requests are safety issues that may go along with those requests.

Fortunately, most people inpatient are not there long term enough for long hair to be an issue. And often, as unfortunate as it is, if they are there long enough, they are not concerned about hair.

Just want to say thank you for your insight on this stuff, even if my brain doesn’t like reading all of it. I get stuck on the haircut too, but your perspective is valuable and takes me past the legal writings to a glimpse of the humanity involved.

[Warmblood1]

My pleasure, @ekat. I’m always thankful for your insight as well.

[ekat]

@Warmblood1

My pleasure, @ekat. I’m always thankful for your insight as well.

You’re welcome

[eggbutt]

@SierraMist

He is now getting the help he needs, is in a safe environment to protect him in his fragile emotional state.

Is he getting help in the form of treatment? He certainly didn’t for the 2 1/2 years of his county jail incarnation. Nothing indicates he is receiving any treatment of any kind in AK.

@SierraMist

And it appears from the continued threads here that many people want him to get out and continue his “war” with LK and her family.

Please point out any comment anywhere that anyone has supported Barisone “continuing a war” with the Kanareks!! Talk about a leap in incredulity!

He, and his supporters, want nothing whatsoever to do with the Kanarek family in any way, shape or form! If you are remotely referring to the civil trials, heck yes, his attorneys will go forth to defend the suits the Kanareks have brought against him, AND Barisone’s counter suit to recoup all he lost due to the actions of one individual and her sidekick. Remember, this individual admitted under oath she had made a plan to destroy him.

Please use an iota of logic and common sense before making incredible accusations.

[Sdel]

@CurrentlyHorseless

This thread is not about LK, it’s about MB and the Krol hearing.

Then why do you keep bringing her up and making things about her? The rest of us have only been reacting to the things she says in connection to if she is allowed to interfere with MB’s release, by legal or illegal means.

ETA: This is a rhetorical post.

[Warmblood1]

@eggbutt

Is he getting help in the form of treatment? He certainly didn’t for the 2 1/2 years of his county jail incarnation. Nothing indicates he is receiving any treatment of any kind in AK.

He is getting treatment at AK.

This is from their website:

“Ann Klein Forensic Center

The Ann Klein Forensic Center is a 200-bed psychiatric hospital serving a unique population that requires a secured environment. Our facility provides care and treatment to individuals suffering from mental illness who are also within the legal system.

The clients at A. K. Forensics are special in many respects and require an interdisciplinary team approach. The care plan is comprised of both independent and interdependent contributions from our staff and is communicated to the medical security officer assigned to each client.

We are a nursing team, with each member treating the other with courtesy, consideration, and respect. We serve our clients without judgement, applying professional knowledge and skill to achieve a positive outcome.”

[eggbutt]

@trubandloki

I admit, I did not ask @eggbutt if I was allowed to ask them first. Should I do that?

Shame on you! One demerit on your record. That said, I will ask @CurrentlyHorseless the same question, does it make any sense at all to you that anyone would be telling MB about the malarkey posted on SM? Do you really think it would be wise to share a certain party’s taunts with him? To my “insider knowledge” no one mentions her or her family to him other than perhaps his attorneys! He KNOWS what she and RG did to his business and life. You do realize the infamous phrase “Finish the Bastard” was heard for the first time at the trial?! Imagine sitting there listening to all they had done to destroy him and someone thinks an apology is owed? It sure is but not by Barisone!