MB update

[ekat]

@eggbutt

Thank you! So, bringing up the thought that a grand jury issued an indictment, and therefore the defendant must be guilty, is BS.

Unless you believe that ham sandwiches are also guilty, yes.

(Note to self…need a sandwich now…)

[trubandloki]

@ekat

(Note to self…need a sandwich now…)

I will take mine with mayo and lettuce please.

[Sdel]

I prefer BLT’s. Much tastier than ham….

[ekat]

@Warmblood1

Could the sentence of NGRI be given without establishing MB fired the gun? Could that sentence be given based on the jury finding MB temporarily insane with no criminal act committed without concluding he fired a weapon?

I’m slow and hungry and I just now figured out what you’re asking here.

My gut wonders if they were almost hung between all straight Not Guilty’s and a few holdouts that felt LK had bullet holes in her, something happened. They were staring down a 5 day holiday weekend as the clock ticked that afternoon, so, maybe there was some compromise.

I could be wrong, of course.

[ekat]

@trubandloki

I will take mine with mayo and lettuce please.

I’m on it! That’s how I like them too.

@Sdel

I prefer BLT’s. Much tastier than ham….

Ok, a BLT sandwich sounds super good. I bet no one would ever indict a BLT.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@ekat

@Angela_Freda

Seems to me MB could sue them for his grievous injuries they (gleefully) admitted to causing according to this.

It’s all laid out well in his counter-claim to her suit, although he didn’t bother to name RG as a defendant.

It’s interesting. Nobody seems to bother much with RG.

The K family won’t pay for their lawyers to represent him as a client, the jury didn’t bother believing anything he said, LK doesn’t seem to care at all about the fact that the jury delivered an NG verdict with respect to the guy that she says fired a bullet at her beloved’s head (she rants about a lot of stuff online, but doesn’t seem to care at all about that), and when it comes to the civil suit, MBs attorneys aren’t bothering with RG either.

The only person who did bother much with RG was Schellhorn. By pursuing charges on RGs behalf. When you look at the total evidence only to two shots fired, and what an unreliable low life RG is… it makes me wonder why Schellhorn pursued any charges related to RG…

[ekat]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

The only person who did bother much with RG was Schellhorn. By pursuing charges on RGs behalf. When you look at the total evidence only to two shots fired, and what an unreliable low life RG is… it makes me wonder why Schellhorn pursued any charges related to RG…

I mean, even he dropped the charges for RG in that lame plea deal he offered.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@ekat

I mean, even he dropped the charges for RG in that lame plea deal he offered

Oh! You’re RIGHT! I forgot about that.

[Warmblood1]

@ekat

I’m slow and hungry and I just now figured out what you’re asking here.

My gut wonders if they were almost hung between all straight Not Guilty’s and a few holdouts that felt LK had bullet holes in her, something happened. They were staring down a 5 day holiday weekend as the clock ticked that afternoon, so, maybe there was some compromise.

My gut says the exact same. Literally and figuratively.

[ekat]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

Oh! You’re RIGHT! I forgot about that.

I will die on the hill that since RG was the only one giving a statement that night, he put himself out there as a victim for his own self-serving purpose, and I also firmly believe that we will learn more about that as the civil suit progresses, if only because the stories will continue to evolve and change.

[ekat]

@Warmblood1

My gut says the exact same. Literally and figuratively.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless …

I’m curious about your thoughts on RG.

You’ve been quite consistent that you think the discussion on COTH by many posters is really ugly towards LK, given that she was shot.

What about RG? I honestly can’t recollect offhand if you’ve had strong words in the past about discussions that focused on him?

Any thoughts now about him, how the jury found MB straight up not guilty on all charges related to him, etc?

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@erinmeri

@CurrentlyHorseless

Thank you for the clarification.

You prefaced your comments with “As for the ridiculous ‘remorse’ thing now being pushed …” I was the one who brought up the idea of remorse on this thread yesterday, so I assumed you were responding to me. Has LK talked about remorse on other platforms?

Nevertheless, it was useful for me clear up potential misinterpretations of my posts, even if you weren’t intending to address me. I also think that RG has every right to express his opinion that MB shot at him. It was not proven beyond a reasonable doubt that MB aimed at his head and fired the gun, but it’s definitely possible. It’s possible that RG, who was there, saw the gun pointed at him, believes that MB attempted to kill him, and at the same time understands that there was not enough evidence for the jury to establish that beyond a reasonable doubt. Keep in mind that it’s not just RG, but also the grand jury and the prosecutor who thought there was evidence that MB attempted to murder RG. Not enough evidence to get a verdict of NGRI wrt RG, but enough evidence to charge MB and go to trial.

I would never characterize your posts as “word salad”. I thought your post was a marvel of rhetoric.

I have been trying to not reply to you for my own sanity. BUT… I think it’s awfully rich of you to say that another poster’s post was a “marvel of rhetoric” when your own posts smack of rhetoric themselves.

Let’s look at a relevant definition of rhetoric:
“language designed to have a persuasive or impressive effect on its audience, but often regarded as lacking in sincerity or meaningful content.”

You rail against these threads and their references to LK, yet you yourself perpetuate them (and amplify them) by posting numerous lengthy, verbose and frankly, circular arguments and you bring LK up yourself. When called out on these behaviors, you blame others and say you are merely responding to their posts and supposed “abuse”.
You purport to agree with people and then argue with them. You repeat and rehash, ad nauseam, the same arguments to an exhausting degree.

Your posts and language seemed designed to sway others, and yet they instead come across as being insincere, often irrelevant and convoluted.

So, perhaps, rethink your choices when you accuse others of “rhetoric”.

Edited to remove an extraneous comma.

OK. I just googled it and the definition you quoted comes up as the second definition of “rhetoric”. As you say, it’s “a definition” of ‘rhetoric’ but not the primary definition.

The first definition is just “the art of effective or persuasive speaking or writing”. There is nothing pejorative about that. If you want to “accuse” me of “using rhetoric”, I would not consider that an insult at all.

Is there a non pejorative interpretation of “word salad”?

[Warmblood1]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

It’s interesting. Nobody seems to bother much with RG.

The K family won’t pay for their lawyers to represent him as a client, the jury didn’t bother believing anything he said, LK doesn’t seem to care at all about the fact that the jury delivered an NG verdict with respect to the guy that she says fired a bullet at her beloved’s head (she rants about a lot of stuff online, but doesn’t seem to care at all about that), and when it comes to the civil suit, MBs attorneys aren’t bothering with RG either.

That’s also thought provoking.

It has been radio silent regarding RG. With all the bluster and raging surrounding LK (largely by LK), not a peep has been spoken about RG. A large part of me feels the subject was dropped because everything surrounding RG’s experience was fabricated. I have often wondered if RG suffered wrath due to his poor testimony or if he was even blamed for the outcome of the trial due to his less than stellar performance. I almost feel sorry for him.

I’m also very curious as to why RG isn’t named in MB’s civil suit. MB has show a lot of mercy in the past so maybe it’s just that.

I do believe RG hasn’t sued for the work he did because he simply wasn’t licensed and doing so would backfire on him.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

It’s interesting. So much time has been spent on these threads going round and round in brutal arguments.

Then, when I reach out with polite posts actually soliciting someone’s opinions or thoughts on a few key things…

They won’t respond. They just ignore me.

[Warmblood1]

Why has there been so much pearl clutching regarding LK and the alleged “abuse” (groan) she has endured, but not a word about RG? He has been discussed a great deal.

[Sdel]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

The K family won’t pay for their lawyers to represent him as a client, the jury didn’t bother believing anything he said, LK doesn’t seem to care at all about the fact that the jury delivered an NG verdict with respect to the guy that she says fired a bullet at her beloved’s head (she rants about a lot of stuff online, but doesn’t seem to care at all about that), and when it comes to the civil suit, MBs attorneys aren’t bothering with RG either.

Wasn’t there some testimony and such that JK was looking to house LK only and not RG on MB’s farm?

[ekat]

@Warmblood1

I’m also very curious as to why RG isn’t named in MB’s civil suit. MB has show a lot of mercy in the past so maybe it’s just that.

Another old saying…you can’t get blood out of a turnip. RG is judgment proof. He has no assets, no wages to garnish, nothing except what LK gives him. It’s a sunk cost to pay attorneys like Mr Deininger to prepare a suit against him and waste their time on something they would never collect on.

I have also wondered about how things have gone for him post-trial.

[ekat]

@Sdel

Wasn’t there some testimony and such that JK was looking to house LK only and not RG on MB’s farm?

Mr B did ask RG that. I wonder if we’ll see more info about that going forward?

[Warmblood1]

Very good point.

I wonder the monetary amount that has been collectively spent on legal services for both sides during the criminal trial and now the upcoming civil trial.

I’ve often thought of the many good deeds that could have been done instead.