MB update

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@eggbutt

@CurrentlyHorseless

a NGRI verdict which indicates that the jury thought that the prosecution had proven beyond a reasonable doubt that be shot her.

Nope. Not true. If your statement was true he would have been found GUILTY. Please stop with your wild positions on what the criminal verdict meant!

Indeed, Eggbutt, he would have been found straight GUILTY if not for the second phase in which he was found to be not legally responsible for shooting her due to insanity.

Once the jury determined that, beyond a reasonable doubt, he shot her (not in self defense), at that point the only two possible outcomes were Guilty and NGRI, depending on the determination on sanity.

I know you are still clinging to the fantasy of self defense, but in terms of the actual jury that tried (past tense) the case, he was not acquitted based on self defense.

I think everyone understands this, Eggbutt.

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

You cannot make this statement with any seriousness when there is ZERO forensic evidence and the ONLY thing produced was the testimony of two lying self admitted drug addicts with extensive arrest histories in multiple states. In the absence of the insanity defense MB would have been able to aid in his own defense as self defense as a pleading would still be in effect. And based on sheer numbers of posters here and on YT there never would be a guilty verdict. There wasn’t even a guilty verdict now.

Your droning on about this accomplishes nothing. The State didn’t prove their case at all with RG nor with LK except the jury wanting MB to be further helped or evaluated.

Had the State proved its case valid there wouldn’t be any straight NGs. Had self defense been allowed it would have been NG all around.

That’s because there isn’t a jury in the world who would believe a 100 lb druggie female would be able to bash a man bloody after being shot TWICE CENTER MASS in the chest.

[ekat]

Have you read the suit? The questions you have are all answered very nicely by Mr D in the counter claim.

[McGurk]

Like this:

Lauren Kanarek
(https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCI2DD7s9D2kUNzYQ_qFT4hg)

2 months ago

I got shot bc Michael Barisone was angry I reported him to SafeSport. Simple as that. And it’s on audio. You’ll have to wait for 48 hrs to air to hear them. Sorry!

Did she spend a lot of time under oath during the criminal trial denying she called SS or saying she “didn’t recall?”

[eggbutt]

I wonder if it has been considered that RG might eventually get tired of being odd man out? He’s the one who has filthy hands in this situation but was, apparently, not included in legal representation (meeting with ED). It has always been puzzling what he gets out of his relationship with the Kanarek family. I don’t know the guy - I’m simply putting pieces together causing questions to arise. It is an interesting and confounding relationship for sure.

[LilRanger]

@smoofox

Can no one who cares for her make her see that she is just shooting herself in the foot by posting like that? Or maybe they have tried

That may be the source of the YT excisions, someone getting onto her account and editing for her.

[ekat]

@McGurk

I got shot bc Michael Barisone was angry I reported him to SafeSport. Simple as that. And it’s on audio. You’ll have to wait for 48 hrs to air to hear them. Sorry!

Did she spend a lot of time under oath during the criminal trial denying she called SS or saying she “didn’t recall?”

Exactly. She has claimed repeatedly that she “didn’t recall”, or that there’s this great conspiracy going back months, all on audio (but according to testimony, they only bought the recorders a few days before the hearing) (but she has months of recordings) and the recordings are going to prove this great conspiracy started by MHG.

And…she didn’t report him, but she might have reported him the day before the shooting. If she reported him the day before the shooting, how does that square with a months long conspiracy?

See? Her own worst enemy.

[LilRanger]

@Mondo

I kind of wish we could go back to the MB update and get away from the old, old, million times rehashed back and forth about NGRI, NG, trial outcome, etc.

Me, too. Until the Krol hearing, there is only speculation and bickering to fill the void.

[Graymaresrule]

It’s weird that she is replying to posts made 2or 3 months ago. Doesn’t she have a life?

[Sdel]

@Graymaresrule

It’s weird that she is replying to posts made 2or 3 months ago.

She did that here all the time…

[MHM]

@ekat

She’s thrown out stuff in the last few days that could really hurt, if not sink, her civil case.

Such as?

I have not looked at any of the YT comments at all.

[MHM]

@McGurk

You’ll have to wait for 48 hrs to air to hear them.

I’ll bet the nice people at 48 Hours will also be glad to see the end of their involvement in this case.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@ekat

@Knights_Mom

I’m thinking 99% of jurors will squarely peg LK/RG as being responsible for the series of events that happened.

LK has to convince 5 jurors that a) she’s credible, and b) played no part in the events in order to win.

In all of the thousands of posts I’ve seen on SM, I’m not sure I’ve seen 5 people that felt that way after the limited evidence in the criminal trial. (Excluding LK herself, and her mom.)

Really? Why does she have to establish she “played no part” to win damages?

Won’t the outcome of the trial be something in the form of yes, obviously she was injured, and the responsibility is apportioned as xx% to RC for providing the gun, zz% to MB for shooting her, yy% to SGF for permitting a gun on the premises and for leasing the facility to s trainer with known mental health and anger issues, ww% to LK for failing to mitigate her damages?

There was a recent case in the news in which an 18 year old kid drove his father’s Tesla into an immovable object at 186 mph, and the parents sued Tesla for the kid’s death. Tesla was found 1% responsible and the father was found 10% responsible for not taking the keys away after the son had received a speeding ticket for going 125 mph.

When a jury in a civil trial apportions liability, isn’t it extremely rare that the result is 0% or 100%?

[ekat]

@Graymaresrule

It’s weird that she is replying to posts made 2or 3 months ago.

I agree! All of it is weird, especially since discovery is supposed to be under way again in her civil suit. She’s the plaintiff, and she’s torpedoing (sp?) her case with some of this stuff.

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

The “narrative” being pushed here is that the “plot to destroy MB” was perpetrated by LK, RG, and JK. Since RG and JK are not parties to the suit, MB is countersuing just LK. But RG is the one who was involved in the renovations and called the BI and the one who MB will need to accuse of attacking him in a self defense claim. How can MB counter sue LK if he’s trying to claim that he shot her in self defense in an attack started by RG, when RG is not a party to the suit in any way?

Are you serious? Since when is the timeline set by the grifter liars written in stone? LK herself said she was using her phone as a weapon on MBs head and face to the point it was covered in blood.

Personally I believe logic dictates LK jumped MB and then everyone else ganged on. As I’ve personally seen smaller women jump men this is not an impossibility especially for ninja females.

The repair work performed by illegal unlicensed contractor couldn’t be actionable as treble damages against RG would have been sanctioned. That’s why RG isn’t named as plaintiff.

The factual story is this: LK and RG were staying at the farm because LK was a horse client of MB. At some point LK was no longer wanted as a client. Instead of leaving as virtually everyone else would, she admittedly engaged in acts, words, deeds and behaviors designed and intended to be punitive and to punish him for not wanting her around anymore.

Everything else stems from this and you can bet your Sweet Grass yet another jury will see that.

All she had to do was leave. And until such time not engage in continued escalations of drama and histrionics.

[Unfforgettable]

I had some time to kill and went through a few of the YT comments. Here was one that really proves her level of arrogance and delusion:

" you realize I have videos of almost every lesson right? There are always better or more accomplished riders. That’s the sport. But I seriously doubt the majority of riders ride and train with the same drive as I do. The caliber of trainers I have wouldn’t bother with me if they thought for a single second I wasn’t one THE most dedicated riders in the sport. No one at Barisone’s barn was riding at a higher level than I was. Not one person except Barisone himself."

[Knights_Mom]

@ekat

@smoofox

The way she goes off on people and lectures them with her superior legal expertise

@smoofox

There are posts on YT where she is chattering away about herself in the third person - I think she just forgot to change accounts/identities.

She goes on and on and on about her legal expertise while being so very, very wrong to the point she appears to be just making things up, because even a basic Google search would set her right., but she sure can insult a three month old poster with her “knowledge”.

The 3rd person posts are so creepy that they have to be because she forgot to switch accounts.

I feel like there has to be someone who has tried to rein her in and failed. She’s thrown out stuff in the last few days that could really hurt, if not sink, her civil case. She learned absolutely nothing from the criminal trial, so why would she listen to anyone now? She is by far her own worst enemy.

Perfect evidence of her making up legal things were her PMs to me and others rattling off threats and nonsense with no basis in fact or law.

[Sdel]

@MHM

@ekat

She’s thrown out stuff in the last few days that could really hurt, if not sink, her civil case.

Such as?

I have not looked at any of the YT comments at all.

Somewhere it has been stated that her FB is still shut down because Taylor court ordered her to because he knows she is “in danger”.

[Graymaresrule]

A danger to herself maybe. Not suicide but really annoying someone else.

[MHM]

Omg. Thanks.

[Angela_Freda]

@eggbutt

Seriously though I would like to see a silent auction of some of his art.

This

What if his incredible friends also offered items to an auction… Lessons, clinic spots, etc?
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