MB update

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@Knights_Mom

@DownYonder

@RHdobes563

Somewhere upthread, I think it was stated that part of what MB is seeking is a complete stop by LK of mentioning him on social media.

If MB wins, and LK violates that and continues the online harassment, what would be the legal consequences to LK?

And I for one would be very surprised if she abided by such an order. I think (as she has proven time and again) she would find other ways to discuss him, without calling him out by name. The King on a chessboard is one specific example she has used in the past.

That’s fine as long as he isn’t identified. Now if she posts under her name and talks about the trainer who shot her without specifically naming him that too may be prohibited as he is still identifiable.

Well, she is naming him all over the YouTube comments and saying he is crazy, dangerous etc. etc. so IMO expecting that particular leopard to change her spots is sheer fantasy.

[trubandloki]

@Knights_Mom

That’s fine as long as he isn’t identified. Now if she posts under her name and talks about the trainer who shot her without specifically naming him that too may be prohibited as he is still identifiable.

She would call him the trainer that murdered her, silly you!

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@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@ekat

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

Wasn’t the gun jammed though?

I don’t think it was jammed. I think it was just empty. But RG thought it was jammed, therefore, decided the gun wasn’t a threat.

(Don’t get me started on the mystery magazine again… )

The gun wasn’t a threat?

MB had a second magazine in his pocket. RG would not know for a fact that he had the second magazine, and he wouldn’t know for a fact that he didn’t.

There is evidence there was nothing in the pocket.

Incorrect. LE, Officer Hensley testified there was. Link posted above.

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@Virginia_Horse_Mom

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

The gun wasn’t a threat?

MB had a second magazine in his pocket. RG would not know for a fact that he had the second magazine, and he wouldn’t know for a fact that he didn’t.

There is evidence there was nothing in the pocket.

Yeah. I missed this whole part of the trial. Did one of the police officers testify to finding a magazine in MBs pocket when they arrived on the scene?

Yes. Officer Hensley testified he found it. Link posted in earlier response.

[Sdel]

@ekat or other legal peeps?

Could MB have the evidence from the criminal trial be rerun for things like GSR, DNA, and fingerprints? Where does all that evidence go now that the trial is over?

[Knights_Mom]

@hut-ho78

Incorrect. LE, Officer Hensley testified there was. Link posted above.

And another officer testified there wasn’t.

[Knights_Mom]

@Sdel

@ekat or other legal peeps?

Could MB have the evidence from the criminal trial be rerun for things like GSR, DNA, and fingerprints? Where does all that evidence go now that the trial is over?

It goes to police storage where all evidence is kept.

[BatCoach]

This contradiction always really bothered me

[Knights_Mom]

Me too.

[MHM]

@Knights_Mom

@Sdel

@ekat or other legal peeps?

Could MB have the evidence from the criminal trial be rerun for things like GSR, DNA, and fingerprints? Where does all that evidence go now that the trial is over?

It goes to police storage where all evidence is kept.

Would there be any useful evidence that could be found on it after all this time? We certainly saw several items that were handled by multiple people during the trial.

[hut-ho78]

@eggbutt

@CurrentlyHorseless

@hut-ho78

Well it didn’t take y’all long to get back to bashing LK. “Oh it’s all about the trial and MB.” Really? Get back to the trial then.

I’m one of the people who have referred to RG as a hero in the moment he stopped MB. MB had a magazine with 9 more rounds in his pocket and could have changed that magazine in seconds. RG tackled a man much larger than himself and held him until the arrival of LE. He could have killed him but he did not. He restrained himself. At that time MB was an active shooter. No one knows how many people an active shooter will shoot if not stopped. Seeker1 also called RG a hero and said he saved her daughter. Whatever else RG does or doesn’t do, in that moment, he stepped up, maybe just to save his own skin but he saved more than himself.

I don’t follow LK on other social media. I don’t follow her at all. I have followed the threads on the shooting here from the first. I do remember she testified she called SS about bullying and SS asked if there were minors present. She has denied calling CPS.

I also think, and have stated, that RG was a hero for stopping an active shooter at the risk of his own life.

I think MB and his supporters should be grateful that RG interceded as he did to subdue MB without using lethal force. RG prevented MB from pumping more bullets into LK. In his delusional state, MB might have killed himself if he had not been subdued by RG.

Even if MB did not aim a bullet at RGs head, RG had a right to act in self defense given that LK had been shot.

I think it’s ridiculous the way people whine about the supposed travesty of MB being “badly beaten” by RG. RG had every right to act in self defense, and, IMHO saved MB as well as LK and himself.

Suppose MB had reloaded and killed both LK and RG? Would you want to have seen him tried for two counts of murder? Even if he was found NGRI on two counts of murder, wouldn’t knowing that you killed two people be a burden for the rest of your life?

Suppose MB had reloaded and killed both RG and LK, then shot himself? That’s definitely possible, given that we’re talking about a legally insane person with a gun, acting out in desperation.

Absolutely 1000000% amazingly wrong.

Please, you & HH take your ideas about RG’s sainthood and start your own thread. Again, what does your post have to do with the upcoming Krol hearing or MB’s condition?

I will admit I stopped reading your fairy tale after about the 3rd sentence of denial after I became nauseous.

Really, go start another thread about alternate Kanarek theories and gush your high praises and leave this thread in peace. You will get no support here except from your two buddies.

I think it’s cute how y’all ask for comments on a subject and then get mad if they don’t agree. What did this subject have to do with the upcoming hearing when everyone wanted comments? Did you not want comments from CH and me but wanted to torment Seeker1 again?

RG charged an active shooter, MB, before he had time to reload. He saved LK, MB (suicide, active shooters are often depressed individuals who want to die by suicide by cop but take a lot of people with them), and himself. He may have saved people at the other barn. He had a full magazine in his pocket and could have reloaded in seconds. He was much larger than RG and a superb athlete. The 911 call reveals the effort in RG’s voice.

For MB to receive NGRI, the prosecutor had to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that MB shot LK even though he was so delusional at the time he could not be given straight up Guilty and there was no evidence presented of self defense.

The civil hearing won’t just bring up her past which the defense attorney kept slipping in but also his. There won’t be any confidential information. Full disclosure. For both their sakes and so this forum moves on, I hope it is a quiet settlement.

[Angela_Freda]

@BrownDerby

And don’t forget superhero RG pointing a finger trigger at MB just a day or two before.

…aaaand LK having shot at RG in the past, shared online all about her guns, and had suggested that a gun on the farm had gone missing.

[Sdel]

@MHM

@Knights_Mom

@Sdel

@ekat or other legal peeps?

Could MB have the evidence from the criminal trial be rerun for things like GSR, DNA, and fingerprints? Where does all that evidence go now that the trial is over?

It goes to police storage where all evidence is kept.

Would there be any useful evidence that could be found on it after all this time? We certainly saw several items that were handled by multiple people during the trial.

They reassess for DNA long after trials all the time. But aside from the gun, I think the magazines and bullets, and the box of bullets were relatively unhandled during the trial…

[DownYonder]

@Sdel

And whatever the farrier heard that didn’t make it into the trial like Bilinkas wanted…

Didn’t that info come from the farrier who didn’t testify? I have always wondered why he wasn’t there.

As it was, didn’t Taylor shut down Bilinkas on that point because it was essentially “hearsay”?

[Sdel]

@Angela_Freda

@BrownDerby

And don’t forget superhero RG pointing a finger trigger at MB just a day or two before.

…aaaand LK having shot at RG in the past, shared online all about her guns, and had suggested that a gun on the farm had gone missing.

And posted about only needing 3 bullets…a curious statement considering the number of bullets that was supposedly used…

[DownYonder]

@Sdel

@Angela_Freda

LK having shot at RG in the past, shared online all about her guns, and had suggested that a gun on the farm had gone missing.

And posted about only needing 3 bullets…a curious statement considering the number of bullets that was supposedly used…

I know! I have always thought her fixation on “three bullets” was so curious, esp. when she referred to them multiple times and regarding different circumstances.

[Knights_Mom]

@hut-ho78

@eggbutt

@CurrentlyHorseless

@hut-ho78

Well it didn’t take y’all long to get back to bashing LK. “Oh it’s all about the trial and MB.” Really? Get back to the trial then.

I’m one of the people who have referred to RG as a hero in the moment he stopped MB. MB had a magazine with 9 more rounds in his pocket and could have changed that magazine in seconds. RG tackled a man much larger than himself and held him until the arrival of LE. He could have killed him but he did not. He restrained himself. At that time MB was an active shooter. No one knows how many people an active shooter will shoot if not stopped. Seeker1 also called RG a hero and said he saved her daughter. Whatever else RG does or doesn’t do, in that moment, he stepped up, maybe just to save his own skin but he saved more than himself.

I don’t follow LK on other social media. I don’t follow her at all. I have followed the threads on the shooting here from the first. I do remember she testified she called SS about bullying and SS asked if there were minors present. She has denied calling CPS.

I also think, and have stated, that RG was a hero for stopping an active shooter at the risk of his own life.

I think MB and his supporters should be grateful that RG interceded as he did to subdue MB without using lethal force. RG prevented MB from pumping more bullets into LK. In his delusional state, MB might have killed himself if he had not been subdued by RG.

Even if MB did not aim a bullet at RGs head, RG had a right to act in self defense given that LK had been shot.

I think it’s ridiculous the way people whine about the supposed travesty of MB being “badly beaten” by RG. RG had every right to act in self defense, and, IMHO saved MB as well as LK and himself.

Suppose MB had reloaded and killed both LK and RG? Would you want to have seen him tried for two counts of murder? Even if he was found NGRI on two counts of murder, wouldn’t knowing that you killed two people be a burden for the rest of your life?

Suppose MB had reloaded and killed both RG and LK, then shot himself? That’s definitely possible, given that we’re talking about a legally insane person with a gun, acting out in desperation.

Absolutely 1000000% amazingly wrong.

Please, you & HH take your ideas about RG’s sainthood and start your own thread. Again, what does your post have to do with the upcoming Krol hearing or MB’s condition?

I will admit I stopped reading your fairy tale after about the 3rd sentence of denial after I became nauseous.

Really, go start another thread about alternate Kanarek theories and gush your high praises and leave this thread in peace. You will get no support here except from your two buddies.

I think it’s cute how y’all ask for comments on a subject and then get mad if they don’t agree. What did this subject have to do with the upcoming hearing when everyone wanted comments? Did you not want comments from CH and me but wanted to torment Seeker1 again?

RG charged an active shooter, MB, before he had time to reload. He saved LK, MB (suicide, active shooters are often depressed individuals who want to die by suicide by cop but take a lot of people with them, and himself. He may have saved people at the other barn. He had a full magazine in his pocket and could have reloaded in seconds. He was much larger than RG and a superb athlete. The 911 call reveals the effort in RG’s voice.

For MB to receive NGRI, the prosecutor had to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that MB shot LK even though he was so delusional at the time he could not be given straight up Guilty and there was no evidence presented of self defense.

The civil hearing won’t just bring up her past which the defense attorney kept slipping in but also his. There won’t be any confidential information. Full disclosure. For both their sakes and so this forum moves on, I hope it is a quiet settlement.

As described above the LK/RG stated scenario doesn’t work. I’m confident the civil jury will be convinced of this as well.

I’m not rehashing the rest of the untruths of the rest of the post.

[Sdel]

@DownYonder

@Sdel

@Angela_Freda

LK having shot at RG in the past, shared online all about her guns, and had suggested that a gun on the farm had gone missing.

And posted about only needing 3 bullets…a curious statement considering the number of bullets that was supposedly used…

I know! I have always thought her fixation on “three bullets” was so curious, esp. when she referred to them multiple times and regarding different circumstances.

And the whole other full magazine MB “had in his pocket”….

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

Bolded = mine

@hut-ho78

RG charged an active shooter, MB, before he had time to reload.

The only thing that supports this is RG and LKs testimony

He saved LK, MB (suicide, active shooters are often depressed individuals who want to die by suicide by cop but take a lot of people with them, and himself. He may have saved people at the other barn.

This is all speculation and hypothetical scenarios on your part

He had a full magazine in his pocket and could have reloaded in seconds.

There is conflicting evidence from the police who responded to the scene when it comes to this point

He was much larger than RG and a superb athlete. The 911 call reveals the effort in RG’s voice.

The 911 call also reveals MB moaning softly, repeatedly in the background. It sure sounded like he was a severely injured man who was face down on the ground. That’s exactly what the police found when they arrived on the scene

For MB to receive NGRI, the prosecutor had to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that MB shot LK even though he was so delusional at the time he could not be given straight up Guilty and there was no evidence presented of self defense.

There is a possibility that jury nullification was in play. The jury could have decided on NGRI for that reason as well, rather than declaring a hung jury

The civil hearing won’t just bring up her past which the defense attorney kept slipping in but also his. There won’t be any confidential information. Full disclosure. For both their sakes and so this forum moves on, I hope it is a quiet settlement.

Arrest records are pretty easily researched already. That sure is interesting. If she wants to receive compensation for lost income, she will also have to provide information as to how she has earned a living, and other income for years on end. Most everyone knows MB earned a living as a dressage professional.

Bottom line, you’re right… there won’t be many stones left unturned. We will see what happens, and whether or not anyone decides to settle instead of fight. It seems like a quiet settlement, and moving on with life might be a VERY good idea for some people to think long and hard about.

[Knights_Mom]

@Sdel

And the whole other full magazine MB “had in his pocket”….

Not according to one cop. I look forward to this being shown in the civil trial.