MB update

[ekat]

@hut-ho78

Complete strangers AKA CotH posters who brag about it here. Right.

Literally hundreds of random people world wide as the trial was ongoing were all CoTH posters? Wow. I thought CoTH was pretty niche.

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@BigMama1

@CurrentlyHorseless

very difficult for a man who arrives at the physical location the others with a loaded gun to argue self defense

You keep saying this but that still doesn’t make it true. Carrying a firearm proactively in case it’s needed for self defence is apparently one of America’s most cherished rights.

Open carry or even concealed carry can be ok but once it is out and pointed at someone, that alone can be enough for aggravated assault.

[ekat]

@hut-ho78

Open carry or even concealed carry can be ok but once it is out and pointed at someone, that alone can be enough for aggravated assault.

And yet, MB was found straight up NOT GUILTY on that agg assault charge, for the record.

[Brown_Derby]

Yes, maybe another hour or two when Chicago kicks in.

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@DownYonder

@evtrmom

Don’t forget, she spun around in circles too …

And I have wondered if this is why she kept thinking she had been medevaced in helicopter…

Nearly bled out. Flat lined twice. Surgery. Pain meds. Induced coma. Can’t imagine what nightmares she had or how much or not she was in touch with reality for a while.

[Sdel]

It’s beginning to look a lot like YouTube……

[erinmeri]

Do some people copy and paste old arguments? Or do they have them so memorized that they can just repeat them by rote?

It’s beginning to look a lot like Groundhogs Day…

[Knights_Mom]

@ekat

@DownYonder

Except she apparently has no attachable assets. And as I said previously, even if MB prevails, he will get nothing other than vindication - although that could certainly go a long way toward helping him heal psychologically from the damage they have done to him over the years.

He just might get that injunction that stops her from calling him a murderer, like she was doing last night. I feel that might be important to him going forward.

I could be wrong but I believe the majority of these orders specify not speaking about the person publicly.

[Joanne]

@hut-ho78

Nearly bled out. Flat lined twice. Surgery. Pain meds. Induced coma. Can’t imagine what nightmares she had or how much or not she was in touch with reality for a while.

You forgot intubated.

[ekat]

@Knights_Mom

I could be wrong but I believe the majority of these orders specify not speaking about the person publicly

The civil suit specifically asks for a permanent injunction against her posting about MB on the World Wide Web.

Edit to add:

“ WHEREFORE, MICHAEL BARISONE demands judgment against LAUREN KANAREK for compensatory damages, punitive damages, interest, costs of suit; preliminary and permanent injunctive relief in the form of restraints barring LAUREN KANAREK from making posts about or referencing Barisone on the World Wide Web, and/or through any and all forms of social media, and/or otherwise stalking, harassing, and/or seeking to cause harm or injury to Barisone; and such other relief this Court deems just and proper.”

[Sdel]

@Joanne

@hut-ho78

Nearly bled out. Flat lined twice. Surgery. Pain meds. Induced coma. Can’t imagine what nightmares she had or how much or not she was in touch with reality for a while.

You forgot intubated.

And slit stern to stern.

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@Warmblood1

One thing I find really interesting is that several on the forum have proposed the question - why hasn’t there been the same outcry for RG as there has been for LK IRT alleged harassment and bullying of RG online…

The response wasn’t, oh, RG has been bullied and harassed the same (or a version of this).

But instead, that for about a 10 minute window of time, RG was a hero.

I believe that the posters who harp LK had been harassed (etc) have more interest in defending LK because it aligns more with the self interest of the poster.

But it seems that there is some type of animosity towards RG within k klan that only permits him to have been a good or defendable person for that small 10 minute window during the shooting when he allegedly outran a bullet…

So strange that there would be such a double standard amongst 2 people that went through roughly the same experience. So strange that RG is only defendable or even commendable during that 10 minute window.

Seems rocky to me.

I am not a part of k klan and find use of that term to be ridiculous. I do not know them except through this forum. I wouldn’t know them if I ran into them on the street. I think the treatment of LK, RG, and LE to be deplorable and the twisting of the narrative to be potentially damaging to MB.

I’ve always called RG a hero since the first. He took down an active shooter. I’ve always said LE did a good job. Everyone lived. I’ve also always felt sorry for everyone involved in this. Go back to the first forum and see where I was aghast at people bashing LK and MB and protesting that their families would be reading this.

[erinmeri]

@ekat

The civil suit specifically asks for a permanent injunction against her posting about MB a on the World Wide Web.

You’d think that even in advance of the civil suit, she’d maybe consider complying. Or at least stick to the facts, ma’am. But, nope. Speculation that he has “done this before” (and will do it again), calling him a murderer, etc, etc, etc. Le sigh…

[ekat]

@erinmeri

You’d think that even in advance of the civil suit, she’d maybe consider complying. Or at least stick to the facts, ma’am. But, nope. Speculation that he has “done this before” (and will do it again), calling him a murderer, etc, etc, etc. Le sigh…

It’s pretty remarkable, isn’t it?

[Knights_Mom]

@hut-ho78

@Warmblood1

One thing I find really interesting is that several on the forum have proposed the question - why hasn’t there been the same outcry for RG as there has been for LK IRT alleged harassment and bullying of RG online…

The response wasn’t, oh, RG has been bullied and harassed the same (or a version of this).

But instead, that for about a 10 minute window of time, RG was a hero.

I believe that the posters who harp LK had been harassed (etc) have more interest in defending LK because it aligns more with the self interest of the poster.

But it seems that there is some type of animosity towards RG within k klan that only permits him to have been a good or defendable person for that small 10 minute window during the shooting when he allegedly outran a bullet…

So strange that there would be such a double standard amongst 2 people that went through roughly the same experience. So strange that RG is only defendable or even commendable during that 10 minute window.

Seems rocky to me.

I am not a part of k klan and find use of that term to be ridiculous. I do not know them except through this forum. I wouldn’t know them if I ran into them on the street. I think the treatment of LK, RG, and LE to be deplorable and the twisting of the narrative to be potentially damaging to MB.

I’ve always called RG a hero since the first. He took down an active shooter. I’ve always said LE did a good job. Everyone lived. I’ve also always felt sorry for everyone involved in this. Go back to the first forum and see where I was aghast at people bashing LK and MB and protesting that their families would be reading this.

You’re entitled to your opinion.

And that’s all it is.

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@DownYonder

@BigMama1

Wasn’t that exactly the successful defense used by the kid who brought an AR-15 to a protest?

If you are referring to Kyle Rittenhouse, he brought it for self-defense because he was going into a riot zone to help protect a family business from being burned down by the rioting mob. Said mob attacked some bystanders and business owners as it moved through the area, and Rittenhouse went out to escort some of them to safety and try to tend to injuries (he had a medical kit with him). And then he got caught trying to make his way back to safety and was attacked by several people - which is why he shot them.

So yes, it was a case of self-defense, and the jury agreed despite the State’s and mainstream media’s attempt to portray him as a murderer.

Agree. I was appalled at the trucks of armed white guys in the back having lived through Jim Crow but the video showed clearly Kyle was defending himself. I was corrected on my first impression and sent to the Law of Self Defense podcast and YouTube which though sometimes annoying is clear on the legal issues.

Except for Ahmaud Arbery though. He saw a black guy attacking a white guy and I saw a cornered black guy who tried to get away b it was trapped and was defending himself. The jury saw it like I did.

Edited for typing error.

[eggbutt]

Some of these posts are sounding more and more familiar with their rhetoric and incorrect assumptions.

BORING.

[erinmeri]

Let’s please not bring Kyle Rittenhouse into this, other than to mention that you can carry a gun and still argue self-defense. Discussion of that topic beyond bolstering an argument that pertains directly to this incident belongs in the CE forum.

[trubandloki]

@hut-ho78

or not she was in touch with reality

Now you have finally said something I agree with!

@Joanne

You forgot intubated.

You can not forget intubated. It is being blamed for all dental issues.

@hut-ho78

I’ve always said LE did a good job. Everyone lived.

If the law enforcement did a good job none of this would have happened at all. They were begged to help before all of this happened and they did nothing. So no, LE did not do a good job just because no one died in the end.
And that is ignoring how inept their crime scene work was.

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@Knights_Mom

@hut-ho78

@eggbutt

@CurrentlyHorseless

@hut-ho78

Well it didn’t take y’all long to get back to bashing LK. “Oh it’s all about the trial and MB.” Really? Get back to the trial then.

I’m one of the people who have referred to RG as a hero in the moment he stopped MB. MB had a magazine with 9 more rounds in his pocket and could have changed that magazine in seconds. RG tackled a man much larger than himself and held him until the arrival of LE. He could have killed him but he did not. He restrained himself. At that time MB was an active shooter. No one knows how many people an active shooter will shoot if not stopped. Seeker1 also called RG a hero and said he saved her daughter. Whatever else RG does or doesn’t do, in that moment, he stepped up, maybe just to save his own skin but he saved more than himself.

I don’t follow LK on other social media. I don’t follow her at all. I have followed the threads on the shooting here from the first. I do remember she testified she called SS about bullying and SS asked if there were minors present. She has denied calling CPS.

I also think, and have stated, that RG was a hero for stopping an active shooter at the risk of his own life.

I think MB and his supporters should be grateful that RG interceded as he did to subdue MB without using lethal force. RG prevented MB from pumping more bullets into LK. In his delusional state, MB might have killed himself if he had not been subdued by RG.

Even if MB did not aim a bullet at RGs head, RG had a right to act in self defense given that LK had been shot.

I think it’s ridiculous the way people whine about the supposed travesty of MB being “badly beaten” by RG. RG had every right to act in self defense, and, IMHO saved MB as well as LK and himself.

Suppose MB had reloaded and killed both LK and RG? Would you want to have seen him tried for two counts of murder? Even if he was found NGRI on two counts of murder, wouldn’t knowing that you killed two people be a burden for the rest of your life?

Suppose MB had reloaded and killed both RG and LK, then shot himself? That’s definitely possible, given that we’re talking about a legally insane person with a gun, acting out in desperation.

Absolutely 1000000% amazingly wrong.

Please, you & HH take your ideas about RG’s sainthood and start your own thread. Again, what does your post have to do with the upcoming Krol hearing or MB’s condition?

I will admit I stopped reading your fairy tale after about the 3rd sentence of denial after I became nauseous.

Really, go start another thread about alternate Kanarek theories and gush your high praises and leave this thread in peace. You will get no support here except from your two buddies.

I think it’s cute how y’all ask for comments on a subject and then get mad if they don’t agree. What did this subject have to do with the upcoming hearing when everyone wanted comments? Did you not want comments from CH and me but wanted to torment Seeker1 again?

RG charged an active shooter, MB, before he had time to reload. He saved LK, MB (suicide, active shooters are often depressed individuals who want to die by suicide by cop but take a lot of people with them, and himself. He may have saved people at the other barn. He had a full magazine in his pocket and could have reloaded in seconds. He was much larger than RG and a superb athlete. The 911 call reveals the effort in RG’s voice.

For MB to receive NGRI, the prosecutor had to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that MB shot LK even though he was so delusional at the time he could not be given straight up Guilty and there was no evidence presented of self defense.

The civil hearing won’t just bring up her past which the defense attorney kept slipping in but also his. There won’t be any confidential information. Full disclosure. For both their sakes and so this forum moves on, I hope it is a quiet settlement.

As described above the LK/RG stated scenario doesn’t work. I’m confident the civil jury will be convinced of this as well.

I’m not rehashing the rest of the untruths of the rest of the post.

I am sometimes mistaken but I’m not lying. I don’t know how y’all complain about LK lying on social media and then continue on with your own tall tales and fabrications.

I believe the jury got it right. Plus, it’s the only verdict that protects all parties and let’s them all move on with their lives. It’s up to them if they do.