MB update

[erinmeri]

@hut-ho78

You are mistaken. LE in Uvalde waited an hour and waited for a specialty unit, used hand sanitizer, while kids and teachers were shot and then bled out. They may have still messed up the forensics when they finally entered.

LE in this case risked their lives and kept everyone alive. The first 3 on the scene searched and handcuffed the conscious individuals and saved the one that was bleeding out.

I bet Uvalde would hire them in an instant.

I don’t know how some continue on that LE is supposed to wait for backup before stopping active shooters.

I’m not even blaming Uvalde police though they had the wrong response. It’s an unthinkable situation no matter how often it happens. I think they will all do better next time assuming they continue on with a career in law enforcement.

What???

Everything about this post boggles my mind.

Edited:

Your post is all over the place. The only thing I can agree with is that Uvalde police should have MOVED and didn’t and people died. Everything else is word salad.

AND you don’t blame Uvalde police? And they”ll maybe do a better job if they elect to continue in law enforcement? What??? What?!?!?!?’ This is so infuriating that I can barely form thoughts.

The least offensive (though also baffling) thing you said was that LEOs risked their lives at Hawthorn Hill,Which LEOs risked their lives when MB had been beaten and restrained and the empty gun was beneath him?

[Knights_Mom]

@hut-ho78

Heymer said no “weapons, anything that could hurt me.” So unless MB could, while handcuffed, get the magazine out and throw it at him or get the Ruger again, reload, and keep shooting then nothing that could hurt him,

Police routinely ask if there is anything in the pockets AND if anything that can hurt is in there.

[Warmblood1]

@hut-ho78

@Warmblood1

One thing I find really interesting is that several on the forum have proposed the question - why hasn’t there been the same outcry for RG as there has been for LK IRT alleged harassment and bullying of RG online…

The response wasn’t, oh, RG has been bullied and harassed the same (or a version of this).

But instead, that for about a 10 minute window of time, RG was a hero.

I believe that the posters who harp LK had been harassed (etc) have more interest in defending LK because it aligns more with the self interest of the poster.

But it seems that there is some type of animosity towards RG within k klan that only permits him to have been a good or defendable person for that small 10 minute window during the shooting when he allegedly outran a bullet…

So strange that there would be such a double standard amongst 2 people that went through roughly the same experience. So strange that RG is only defendable or even commendable during that 10 minute window.

Seems rocky to me.

I am not a part of k klan and find use of that term to be ridiculous. I do not know them except through this forum. I wouldn’t know them if I ran into them on the street. I think the treatment of LK, RG, and LE to be deplorable and the twisting of the narrative to be potentially damaging to MB.

I’ve always called RG a hero since the first. He took down an active shooter. I’ve always said LE did a good job. Everyone lived. I’ve also always felt sorry for everyone involved in this. Go back to the first forum and see where I was aghast at people bashing LK and MB and protesting that their families would be reading this

I really don’t care what you think of the term k klan.

I also will not be wasting my time reading your posts in the first forum.

Edited to fix the quoted part

[smoofox]

@hut-ho78

I can name two now how say they posted on YT and bragged here. Can’t remember if there are any others.

TWO?? There are HUNDREDS of accounts posting all over those Law & Crime videos. Hundreds. Many of them simply move from trial to trial and follow along and comment - the same as some do for Barisone threads here.

Even suggesting that a lot of those hundreds of YT posters are all COTHers is one of the biggest WTH comments I have seen of late.

Have you read the YT comments? Have you seen LK in fine form - insulting, threatening, sneering and presenting her own Truth? Hinting at great revelations of some kind that will shock everyone? She did that before the criminal trial as well…

Even better - have you seen Bob Abooey (a LK alter) having a friendly little chat with LK? I stumbled on that the other night… so bizarre.

I have not posted there - but seeing the way LK swoops in to lecture someone about posting in a 3 month old thread when she apparently is closely monitoring responses and participation - and thinks she is a mod of some kind… is beyond sad. Who does that?

*edited because the word is revelations not relevations or even relations

[ekat]

@hut-ho78

I didn’t say hallucinations. I said delusional state. The defense mental health experts prevailed by describing a delusional state. No evidence was presented at the criminal trial to lead to a scenario of self defense so it can’t be used as an alternative sequence of events by the defense.

I don’t know how creative a civil suit can get for alternate scenarios. I would guess a lot more creative.

This was actually discussed in earlier threads when a few of us were trying to understand how a defense of self defense and insanity would work together.

And they went to great length to describe his delusions, which did not include hallucinations of made up characters, creatures or whatever a were rabbit is. It’s offensive that you went there.

[hut-ho78]

@ekat

@hut-ho78

I’m disappointed. You are normally on top of things. Judge Taylor could not allow it because there was no evidence it happened. Imaginary scenarios have to be based on evidence. MB had the gun and had for several days. MB threw DCCP and MhG out of the office to retrieve the gun. MB went to the house. LK was shot.

I’m disappointed that you are being so condescending today. That’s not your typical style.

So I’m curious. Were you privy to all the sidebars that happened every single time Mr B tried to question the discrepancies between RG and LK’s 2019 statements to the police and what they testified to in court?

Were you also present for the preliminary hearings where evidence was ruled upon? Can you please enlighten us as to what rulings were made and what was excluded?

Additionally, do you have access to MB, Mr Bilinkas and Mr Deininger’s files? Care to share what evidence they may have discovered since April 14th?

Finally, could you please describe the different standards between a criminal case and a civil case and how that might affect the introduction of evidence?

Thank you.

I do not know these people. I am a Random Internet Poster. So, no to your questions.

That was not condescending. That would be counter productive to a sharing of information.

[ekat]

@hut-ho78

I do not know these people. I am a Random Internet Poster. So, no to your questions.

That was not condescending. That would be counter productive to a sharing of information.

Then how can you be so certain as to what you assert?

[erinmeri]

@Knights_Mom

Police routinely ask if there is anything in the pockets AND if anything that can hurt is in there.

Yep! I was caught up in a no knock raid. First question was “what is in your pockets and will it hurt me?”

[hut-ho78]

@ekat

@hut-ho78

Open carry or even concealed carry can be ok but once it is out and pointed at someone, that alone can be enough for aggravated assault.

And yet, MB was found straight up NOT GUILTY on that agg assault charge, for the record.

I’ll have to go back to hear the verdict read. I thought the aggravated assault charge was an allowed lesser charge if the jury wanted to downgrade the attempted murder charge. I didn’t think it came into play unless the jury said it did.

I’ll listen again. I can’t remember if they read that one out and said NG.

[hut-ho78]

@Joanne

@hut-ho78

Nearly bled out. Flat lined twice. Surgery. Pain meds. Induced coma. Can’t imagine what nightmares she had or how much or not she was in touch with reality for a while.

You forgot intubated.

Thank you. They did show her scars in court too.

[eggbutt]

You don’t know and/or aren’t familiar with actual police officers. Heymer is VERY LUCKY HE IS ALIVE. Heymer had no idea what the situation was and took RG’s word without question. Many rookie cops have been killed or taken hostage for making the same mistake. Absolutely unacceptable in every single aspect.

[hut-ho78]

@Sdel

@Joanne

@hut-ho78

Nearly bled out. Flat lined twice. Surgery. Pain meds. Induced coma. Can’t imagine what nightmares she had or how much or not she was in touch with reality for a while.

You forgot intubated.

And slit stern to stern.

“Stem to stern”.

[MHM]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

Are her horses in her name or JKs?

Does it matter in the big picture? Are they likely to be worth very much? Didn’t someone say they had some age and assorted soundness issues on them?

[hut-ho78]

@trubandloki

@hut-ho78

or not she was in touch with reality

Now you have finally said something I agree with!

@Joanne

You forgot intubated.

You can not forget intubated. It is being blamed for all dental issues.

@hut-ho78

I’ve always said LE did a good job. Everyone lived.

If the law enforcement did a good job none of this would have happened at all. They were begged to help before all of this happened and they did nothing. So no, LE did not do a good job just because no one died in the end.
And that is ignoring how inept their crime scene work was.

Law enforcement is not a nanny system. There has to have been a crime or one in progress.

[LilRanger]

@ekat

@erinmeri

You’d think that even in advance of the civil suit, she’d maybe consider complying. Or at least stick to the facts, ma’am. But, nope. Speculation that he has “done this before” (and will do it again), calling him a murderer, etc, etc, etc. Le sigh…

It’s pretty remarkable, isn’t it?

But smart, since the internet is forever, and what she says now will always be there. So there may be some indication from things that she will have to stop, so she’s getting it out there now before a court orders had to stop.

[erinmeri]

Honest question for @hut-ho78. What is the motivation behind your participation in these threads? You seem to want to admonish people. You appear to enjoy rehashing old arguments. What is your end goal when you have a minority view? Do you hope to sway hearts and minds? Do you persist in the hope that some or any of the posters here will be cowed?

I am just genuinely curious why you are one of the most prolific Barisone posters and yet you rail against the threads themselves. Could you please take the time to enlighten me?

[ekat]

@hut-ho78

I’ll have to go back to hear the verdict read. I thought the aggravated assault charge was an allowed lesser charge if the jury wanted to downgrade the attempted murder charge. I didn’t think it came into play unless the jury said it did.

I’ll listen again. I can’t remember if they read that one out and said NG.

Here, let me help you:

Approx: 1:09

Judge T: With regard to count two, the lesser included offense of aggravated assault upon Robert Goodwin?

Jury Foreman: Not Guilty.

Verdict is IN! Former Olympian Michael Barisone Learns his Fate

[eggbutt]

@hut-ho78

Heymer said no “weapons, anything that could hurt me.”

Nope, you are mistaken. Heymer said nothing of the sort during his testimony at the Miranda hearing.

But you go ahead and double down hoping someone somewhere will agree with you.

[LilRanger]

@MHM

Does it matter in the big picture? Are they likely to be worth very much? Didn’t someone say they had some age and assorted soundness issues on them?

In the current market it could make a dent. Plus, according to her she really loves those horses, (no reason to believe she doesn’t) I think it would be devastating for her to have to sell them.

[Warmblood1]

@hut-ho78

“Stem to stern”.

It is obvious the phrase is stem to stern.

Seeker1 spouted “stern to stern” over and over in previous threads. Keep up.

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