MB update

[Sdel]

@erinmeri

While everything you say is true, it’s the kind of response that gets provoked so the threads can get shut down.

[erinmeri]

She is definitely trying to have that happen!

[erinmeri]

I think I am being pretty staid. No?

[SierraMist]

@BigMama1

Wasn’t that ex

@BigMama1

@CurrentlyHorseless

, I think it would be difficult to establish self defense when MB took himself to their location and brought the lethal weapon.

Wasn’t that exactly the successful defense used by the kid who brought an AR-15 to a protest?

See my post to Angela. I didn’t do the reply correctly to comment on your post.

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@erinmeri

I think I am being pretty staid. No?

Yes, but it falls into the debating the poster and their motivations category. The mods don’t like that. As hard as it is, we need to remember to talk around the nonsense not to it.

[erinmeri]

Fair

[DownYonder]

@Fiesta01

I still think back to LK taunting RC on Facebook, asking her if she knew where her gun was. I personally think the gun at that point had been stolen from the office and was in the possession of “other parties” besides RC or MB. Those other parties were determined to have had access to the office.

Interesting. I had asked on the previous thread (I think), when those posts wer made regarding the missing gun, and was told they happened after LK was discharged from the hospital.

So are you saying she posted those taunts BEFORE the shooting?

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@erinmeri

@CurrentlyHorseless

Please “show receipts” for my “questioning your honesty.”

I do think you admonish me on a regular basis, and have not seen you admonish those you agree with for comparable statements, but I don’t think that would be interpreted as “questioning your honesty”.

What are you talking about?

I posted about one of the most traumatic experiences of my life and you said “Sarcasm?”

Thank you for explaining.

Your statement was that when caught up in a no knock raid, the first question the police asked was “What is in your pockets and will it hurt me?”

This struck me as odd, and I was asking if it was sarcasm.

If it was not sarcasm, thanks for explaining. Even if it were sarcasm, I don’t consider use of sarcasm “dishonesty”, so I was not “questioning your honesty”.

[DownYonder]

@ekat

@SuzieQNutter

Both LK and RG said that MB put both hands in the air. No gun mentioned and why else do you put both hands in the air? Unless someone is pointing a gun at you?

I have found this bit of testimony from both of them rather troubling.

Agree. And I have several times made the same point as Suzie.

What do you do when someone points a gun at you? “Hands up, don’t shoot.”

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@DownYonder

So are you saying she posted those taunts BEFORE the shooting?

They were after the shooting…but considering that LK claimed to have a recording of the event, and at trial proved to have access to the office, and it featured claims of the murder plot and them all going to jail…it was clearly a taunt about her winning in whatever plan she cooked up. I’ll dredge up the text so you can see what was actually said and why it makes sense to conclude she had stolen RC’s gun.

[ekat]

@DownYonder

Agree. And I have several times made the same point as Suzie.

What do you do when someone points a gun at you? “Hands up, don’t shoot.”

It’s like the single point of testimony when they both gave the same account.

[LilRanger]

@ekat

It’s fascinating, in a staring at a train wreck kind of way

I wholeheartedly concur!

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@CLINICALLY_PROVEN

I believe the judge stated that self defense was taken off of the table because MB would be required to testify that he defended himself. Bilinkas obviously waived that off.

As I recall, the defense was not permitted to argue self defense because no evidence supporting self defense was provided. Not from MBs testimony, and not from anywhere else.

Even accepting MBs amnesia on the day of, he could have testified regarding a lot of stuff regarding the days prior, including the chain of custody of the gun, why RC was asked to drive to HH that weekend, etc. He chose not to testify regarding the stuff outside the window of amnesia. I assume that’s because testifying would have exposed him to cross examination.

[ekat]

@LilRanger

I wholeheartedly concur!

Changing the subject back to the title of the thread…I know we’ve talked a little about the process of this upcoming hearing.

I also have read all the law, but law is not exactly what I’ve been thinking about.

Can you give any insight into how they actually determine MB’s risk level? I know it’s up to the psychiatrist evaluation, but, what are they looking for? Because my gut says not many patients say, yes, let me out please, I’m itching to go on a rampage.

[erinmeri]

@CurrentlyHorseless

Thank you for explaining.

Your statement was that when caught up in a no knock raid, the first question the police asked was “What is in your pockets and will it hurt me?”

This struck me as odd, and I was asking if it was sarcasm.

If it was not sarcasm, thanks for explaining. Even if it were sarcasm, I don’t consider use of sarcasm “dishonesty”, so I was not “questioning your honesty”.

1. do you understand what a no knock raid is? If you did, you probably would not even open this line of questioning, I am a privileged white lady and I am forever traumatized by it, I cannot even imagine what it would be like to be a POC or poor. I am lucky to be alive.I would never be sarcastic about any of what I went through. And there are countless people of color who don’t survive… because they aren’t given the benefit of doubt when machine guns are pointed at them.

2. yes, that is what I was asked. For the record, I had pot in my pocket. No sharps, nothing that could hurt a cop. I had a dime bag in my pocket. DA wouldn’t even prosecute… DAT was thrown out.

Not that this matters, but… They also had a machine gun pointed at my French bulldog.

[LilRanger]

In my experience, they do status exams, a lot of interviews and general observation.

It’s pretty hard when you have active delusions to hide those. The brain can’t tell the real from the vividly imagined. When I’ve spoken with people having delusions, even when they can understand why I’m there and the stakes involved, the delusions start creeping into the conversation in a few minutes. And there are also physical manifestations too. Tics, pressured speech, stereotypy movements. It’s pretty obvious.

And in my experience the “foreseeable future” is 3 to 6 months. So they ask, will this person be a threat in the next 3 to 6 months? If not, he should be released.

[erinmeri]

For the privileged white folks im the back - a DAT is a Desk Appearance Ticket. It’s a misdemeanor. If THAT is thrown out?

[Knights_Mom]

DATs are often dismissed.

[erinmeri]

@Knights_Mom

DATs are often dismissed.

Yep. So the no knock raid that I got caught up in led to a thrown out DAT.

[Angela_Freda]

It’s plausible