Honestly, this case has absolutely nothing to do with landlording.
It has to do with being targeted by a drug addicted narcissistic stalker, who was not going to leave because that was not in her plans.
This could happen to any one of us!
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No, I don’t think so. There were texts released in the criminal trial and civil case that prove otherwise. She was in places she shouldn’t have been, actively looking for things, and overtly suggesting blackmail/extortion of people on the farm, possibly forging his name for fake contracts, and crafting of some kind of lawsuit. On the forums alone she made it clear she wasn’t planning to leave until Michael paid her some sort of $$ amount to do so. Plus all the bragging about manipulating law enforcement.
She was engaging a lawyer to make sure she could manipulate the situation to make sure she stayed there as long as possible.
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I think there is something to be said for the idea that had Michael Barisone early on gone through the legal steps to properly (and successfully) evict LK and RG, things might have been different. Or maybe I’m forgetting something. It’s such a horrible, sad, complicated story.
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This was so much more than landlord vs tenant.
Go watch 48hrs.
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I think you need to read more.
Maybe take a look at all the filings from the civil trial. It is very eye opening. They are attached to the threads, so should be easy for you to find, without you having to read any posts by any of us COTH posters that you seem to want to tag as a pile on.
On the point you think (wrongly) sums up the situation -
a) Michael was trying to do things right. You saying he was not is a huge red flag that you have not read enough or have ignored some very valid things that their is evidence that they happened. (Not made up stories by someone who admits they lie.)
b) The Kanarek family knew Lauren Kanarek and Robert Guy Goodwin were being evicted (we saw the texts in the civil suit).
c) The response of the Kanarek family to being asked to leave was to call all the agencies they could think of including getting CPS involved.
Do you think they would not have started calling agencies then?
Michael did what most landlords do, which is ask first.
There are steps that have to be done before you can actually evict someone.
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Michael did go through the process. He called the police no less than 5 times. He had consulted an attorney.
This case has nothing to do with landlord/ tenant rights.
It has to do with a drug addicted narcissist stalker, who decided Michael Barisone was going to be the target of her next grift. She was not leaving. Period. End of story.
You can attempt to simplify it all you want, but everything stated above is true.
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Let’s not forget that LK has chosen to live just minutes from Barisone’s property in Wellington. She is predatory.
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^^^^^This cannot be quoted enough!!!
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Just calling the police is not “the eviction process”
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Did you only read one sentence?
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Good thing that was not the only thing Michael did, which I have no doubt you know. I can not think of anyway you do not know that calling the police was not the only thing Michael had done.
Having your lawyer notice them of impending eviction is legal step one, which was acknowledged by Dad (Jonathon Kanarek), Lauren Kanarek, and Robert Guy Goodwin’s texts, which were shared on this forum from the civil filings.
And instead of leaving, despite Jonathon Kanarek, Lauren Kanarek, and Robert Guy Goodwin saying they knew the eviction wouldn’t go well, in text, they went full crazy and “haha, maybe they’ll be homeless” says Jonathan.
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No I read the entire post.
The “eviction process” is begun when you the landlord goes to the court and filed it and begins the official process. Not before. Not by calling the police, and not by consulting with a lawyer , unless they go file it for you. Until someone is legally evicted from their place of residence they don’t have to go anywhere.
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You are wrong.
One has to prove they have asked the person to leave first.
And most landlords actually warn a tenant about legally filing an eviction before doing it.
But sure. You pretend that is not true.
Did you forget what Lauren Kanarek, Jonathon Kanarek, and Robert Guy Goodwin did to Michael when he simply had his lawyer send the a letter of intent?
What makes you think Lauren Kanarek, Jonathon Kanarek, and Robert Guy Goodwin were suddenly going to play nice when Michael moved to the next step of the eviction?
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A written notice is part of the “official process”. I am not wrong in the least. I’ve had people evicted. I know what it takes and what a pita it is. It’s not a short simple process. It’s drawn out and can the months .
You are just a nit picker who tries to start up
Your s with me on every post I make.
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If you know written notice is the first step, how can you say:
Michael had done this step, thru his lawyer.
The Kanarek Family went ballistic and attacked. Read the texts.
Did you forget Jonathon Kanarek said this about Michael in the texts where they plotted what else to do to Michael?
“haha, maybe they’ll be homeless”
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You forgot she’s a grifter
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My, my, my! You do think a lot of yourself, don’t you?
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So why are so many people jumping on me, who has worked as a professional property manager, trying to disprove that proper landlord procedure would have prevented everything – when very, very clearly it is you who don’t know the business as well as you think you do? (Several posts incorrectly attacking one of mine.)
I don’t have time to teach an entire class in this thread of all the many details and protocols that MB did not follow, step by step throughout the LK experience. That jumped out, over and over, reading the details in earlier threads.
I’m not even going to bother quoting and replying to all of the errors in the posts above. Too many. You are welcome to ignore the realities and think what you like.
It was straight down the pipe a landlord disaster, from the first moment MB and LK discussed her coming to his place. Horses and all. Training services, all of it.
If from the beginning MB had recognized that at the fundamental core of the arrangement was two people and five horses occupying space on his property, and followed a clear business separation of that fact from the training services rendered, that would have covered everything he needed later. But he had done it a different, less precise way before, and it worked, so I guess he didn’t see the importance.
The whole point of landlord-tenant protocols, regulations and laws is to avoid situations like MB - LK. To protect landlords and tenants from each other. To offer much faster and more straightforward avenues of correction when people start breaking the rules.
If MB had done a proper background check at the beginning, LK would have have never moved in, in the first place.
And what unfolded was not a uniquely weird situation, re landlording. Every case has its own details. But situations as bad as this happen every day. They are unfolding right now, all over the country. Shooting is hopefully not usually involved. But sometimes it is, as happened in a case here locally.
Craziness getting tenants out of properties that is this bad and worse happens all the time. A tenant taking over the property and refusing to leave; a tenant forcing a landlord out of their own property; either party severely harrassing the other with intimidation and other tactics (or both doing harrassment); failure to have a proper contract; and ultimately, failure to follow the correct eviction process from the beginning, even with a legal team finally on board to guide every step … etc. & so on.
Getting CPS involved is a CLASSIC TACTIC when tenants refuse to leave. LANDLORDS may do it with a very dirty tenant who is trashing their property, because CPS usually tells the tenant to either clean up the place, or move to a cleaner place. Tenants tend to move, very quickly because CPS gives them a short deadline.
But it can be the tenant calling CPS on the landlord to initimidate and harrass. It happens. CPS being used by manipulators is a problem that CPS has to deal with.
Who do you think is one of the top targets for a “drug addicted narcissistic stalker”? Landlords. Because drug addicted narcissistic stalkers are looking for a place to live, and they want, shall we say, voluntary or involuntary concessions. Obviously MB’s place was where LK wanted to be.
One step at a time, MB didn’t do the standard. His legal team was up against it because MB hadn’t followed the standard procedures of landlording, but now he needs them to help him with an eviction. That was a feature of the story that jumped out at me.
And then even after getting his lawyers involved, MB broke Landlord Rule #1 – Do not go to the property when you are in the process of eviction. In most jurisdictions that is the law.
And, don’t confront the tenant. Your lawyer will tell you not to do these things, in any case.
If MB, even after breaking all of the other rules that he did, had just followed that one …
Here locally, a few years ago a landlord’s representative working on legally evicting a tenant that was refusing to leave a property was shot and killed by said tenant. And in that case the deceased individual was correctly present at the property as part of the legal process.
Even when rules are being followed, going to the property during an eviction process has to be considered as potentially a dangerous situation. That’s why those visits are regulated.
Trust me, landlords who handle a lot of tenants run into every toxic human trait there is. Most of the time no one gets killed. But that has happened, too. That’s why there are rules and laws governing much of the process, to protect landlord-tenants from each other.
LK being entrenched in the property, LK being shot, both would have been prevented had MB followed standard and legal landlording protocol.
48 Hours is a true crime drama show. They aren’t giving a class on landlording.
Internet search on severe landlording problems. Read up on disaster tenants. You’ll recognize some LK behavior and actions.
It’s everyone’s prerogative to see the MB-LK situation as a massive emotional drama, and ignore the rest, if they prefer.
But it ignores the business and legal structures that are in place precisely to protect individuals from toxic situations like this one.
You don’t know what I think. Stop. Don’t summarize my thoughts, because you are wrong.
EXACTLY. How I wish everyone who is not a professional property manager, who wants to rent out their own space more casually, would take this story to heart – but too many of them won’t. Too many people don’t believe they will ever meet anyone like LK. They don’t understand the ways in which their property will be a magnet to people like her.
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Dats a whole big pile of words from someone casually interested in the case after all these years lol.
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Are you talking about the subject, or picking a fight?
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