Michael Barisone Hearing, Tuesday, April 23

[Djones]

I’m laughing at the notion anyone signed up for your Masterclass that no one wants cuz you’re so very busy.

I’m laughing because there is so much more Lauren has done to others before this situation. And none of them remotely involved a lease. It’s all in the podcasts and other cases. You know, the things you’re not interested in learning.

(Sorry for the edits kitten vs keyboard lol

[OverandOnward]

That was a tiny summary of some of the reasons people are not recognizing the subject for what it is.

Tiny.

[trubandloki]

@OverandOnward

If from the beginning MB had recognized that at the fundamental core of the arrangement was two people and five horses occupying space on his property

Your facts are wrong…

[Djones]

@trubandloki

Your facts are wrong

Yeah those facts aren’t.

[cutter99]

@OverandOnward

So why are so many people jumping on me, who has worked as a professional property manager, trying to disprove that proper landlord procedure would have prevented everything – when very, very clearly it is you who don’t know the business as well as you think you do? (Several posts incorrectly attacking one of mine.)

I don’t have time to teach an entire class in this thread of all the many details and protocols that MB did not follow, step by step throughout the LK experience. That jumped out, over and over, reading the details in earlier threads.

I’m not even going to bother quoting and replying to all of the errors in the posts above. Too many. You are welcome to ignore the realities and think what you like.

It was straight down the pipe a landlord disaster, from the first moment MB and LK discussed her coming to his place. Horses and all. Training services, all of it.

If from the beginning MB had recognized that at the fundamental core of the arrangement was two people and five horses occupying space on his property, and followed a clear business separation of that fact from the training services rendered, that would have covered everything he needed later. But he had done it a different, less precise way before, and it worked, so I guess he didn’t see the importance.

The whole point of landlord-tenant protocols, regulations and laws is to avoid situations like MB - LK. To protect landlords and tenants from each other. To offer much faster and more straightforward avenues of correction when people start breaking the rules.

If MB had done a proper background check at the beginning, LK would have have never moved in, in the first place.

And what unfolded was not a uniquely weird situation, re landlording. Every case has its own details. But situations as bad as this happen every day. They are unfolding right now, all over the country. Shooting is hopefully not usually involved. But sometimes it is, as happened in a case here locally.

Craziness getting tenants out of properties that is this bad and worse happens all the time. A tenant taking over the property and refusing to leave; a tenant forcing a landlord out of their own property; either party severely harrassing the other with intimidation and other tactics (or both doing harrassment); failure to have a proper contract; and ultimately, failure to follow the correct eviction process from the beginning, even with a legal team finally on board to guide every step … etc. & so on.

Getting CPS involved is a CLASSIC TACTIC when tenants refuse to leave. LANDLORDS may do it with a very dirty tenant who is trashing their property, because CPS usually tells the tenant to either clean up the place, or move to a cleaner place. Tenants tend to move, very quickly because CPS gives them a short deadline.

But it can be the tenant calling CPS on the landlord to initimidate and harrass. It happens. CPS being used by manipulators is a problem that CPS has to deal with.

Who do you think is one of the top targets for a “drug addicted narcissistic stalker”? Landlords. Because drug addicted narcissistic stalkers are looking for a place to live, and they want, shall we say, voluntary or involuntary concessions. Obviously MB’s place was where LK wanted to be.

One step at a time, MB didn’t do the standard. His legal team was up against it because MB hadn’t followed the standard procedures of landlording, but now he needs them to help him with an eviction. That was a feature of the story that jumped out at me.

And then even after getting his lawyers involved, MB broke Landlord Rule #1 – Do not go to the property when you are in the process of eviction. In most jurisdictions that is the law.

And, don’t confront the tenant. Your lawyer will tell you not to do these things, in any case.

If MB, even after breaking all of the other rules that he did, had just followed that one …

Here locally, a few years ago a landlord’s representative working on legally evicting a tenant that was refusing to leave a property was shot and killed by said tenant. And in that case the deceased individual was correctly present at the property as part of the legal process.

Even when rules are being followed, going to the property during an eviction process has to be considered as potentially a dangerous situation. That’s why those visits are regulated.

Trust me, landlords who handle a lot of tenants run into every toxic human trait there is. Most of the time no one gets killed. But that has happened, too. That’s why there are rules and laws governing much of the process, to protect landlord-tenants from each other.

LK being entrenched in the property, LK being shot, both would have been prevented had MB followed standard and legal landlording protocol.

@Djones

This was so much more than landlord vs tenant.

Go watch 48hrs.

48 Hours is a true crime drama show. They aren’t giving a class on landlording.

Internet search on severe landlording problems. Read up on disaster tenants. You’ll recognize some LK behavior and actions.

It’s everyone’s prerogative to see the MB-LK situation as a massive emotional drama, and ignore the rest, if they prefer.

But it ignores the business and legal structures that are in place precisely to protect individuals from toxic situations like this one.

@trubandloki

On the point you think (wrongly) sums up the situation -

You don’t know what I think. Stop. Don’t summarize my thoughts, because you are wrong.

@SillyHorse

And those are the people who are targeted marks for people like LK.

EXACTLY. How I wish everyone who is not a professional property manager, who wants to rent out their own space more casually, would take this story to heart – but too many of them won’t. Too many people don’t believe they will ever meet anyone like LK. They don’t understand the ways in which their property will be a magnet to people like her.

Again, this was not a landlord/ tenant issue. But since you didn’t believe me the first time I stated that, I am sure you won’t believe me this time either.

Believe what you like, and pray to whatever deity you worship that you never encounter someone like Lauren Kanarek in your world.

[Sdel]

@OverandOnward

Here locally, a few years ago a landlord’s representative working on legally evicting a tenant that was refusing to leave a property was shot and killed by said tenant. And in that case the deceased individual was correctly present at the property as part of the legal process.

Are you talking about the LEO official?

[2DogsFarm]

@OverandOnward

The whole point of landlord-tenant protocols, regulations and laws is to avoid situations like MB - LK. To protect landlords and tenants from each other. To offer much faster and more straightforward avenues of correction when people start breaking the rules.

If only it always worked like that.
I was landlord for a 2-flat DH & I owned for 25yrs.
We occupied the 1st floor, rented the 2nd.
Even with a standard Cole short form lease signed by both us & tenants, weirdness occurred.
Nothing as nasty as MB’s, but enough offscript behavior by tenants so I will never put myself in that position again.
DH was a locksmith & had a client who rented to what turned out to be a squatter. This person - the landlord - was an attorney.
After tenant was served a 30-day, then 5-day notice they were still living in the apartment.
DH was hired to change the locks & had to refuse because in the city (Chgo) at that time (1990s) it was illegal to do so.
Even if eviction was legally in process.
Freeloader had stayed in that apartment - in a upscale part of town: the Goldcoast - w/o paying rent for 2 years when landlord tried to hire DH.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@OverandOnward

That was a tiny summary of some of the reasons people are not recognizing the subject for what it is.

Tiny.

But…

He was found not guilty by reason of insanity.

So it seems like maybe it wasn’t really all about landlord tenant law, and actually was about a particularly toxic human literally driving another person insane, and some tragic actions ensuing, from which one party wasn’t responsible… because they were literally driven to a state of insanity?

I mean… that’s sort of what the jury verdict seemed to indicate.

[catzndogz22]

Looks like she’s still busy talking to herself via alters on reddit.

https://www.reddit.com/u/Special-KofKs/s/7s0nTWXGoc

[jvanrens]

Not sure if I should or .

Suffice it to say I’m not surprised.

[catzndogz22]

Here’s another doozy from a thread where the OP is complaining that she hates her trainer.

I have no words.

[Ghazzu]

"Let’s be real. You wouldn’t know “society’s elite,” if JP Getty were dining at your table as a friend of friend of a friend of a friend.

If Bill Gates were…. oh, never mind.

You can dislike it all you wish. You can argue all you wish. Facts are facts. How about this: You provide “just one,” piece of evidence proving the Kanarek’s are not considered “elite,” members of society. Just one.

Wake me up when you locate your evidence. The Kanarek’s could be complete introverts, never leaving their home, never traveling, never socializing. They are not. For argument’s sake alone, even if they were, their financial bracket places them in areas you will never reach."
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So anyone have a copy of The Social Register handy?
Or the Forbes 500?
I’m sure the K’s occupy a prominent place in both.

[jvanrens]

Wasn’t there some charge against MomPopPop for a fight she got into in a country club or some such? And her talking about her clubs etc. Unless she was lying (okay, I know it runs in the family) she’s fairly social.

[Djones]

I don’t know about any of that, though it wouldn’t surprise me. I did just see a NYT article I don’t recall seeing before. Seems others filed SafeSport bullying complaints about Lauren Kanarek before she met Barisone.

An Equestrian Was Shot by Her Olympic Trainer, Then Pummeled Online...

[BrownDerby]

@Ghazzu

You can dislike it all you wish. You can argue all you wish. Facts are facts. How about this: You provide “just one,” piece of evidence proving the Kanarek’s are not considered “elite,” members of society. Just one.

Well for one they do not go around discussing their money. (I’m responding to LK’s request for evidence – not Ghazzu per se).

[Ghazzu]

Would you mind attributing my quoted post as coming from SpeshulK?
I’d hate for people to mistakenly believe she and her fam have an ounce of class.

[Paint_Party]

Wow. To borrow from George W. Bush, “That’s some weird sh*t.”

[Angela_Freda]

@cutter99

It has to do with a drug addicted narcissist stalker, who decided Michael Barisone was going to be the target of her next grift.

Key word next.
Her actions suggest she may have done similar shenanigans in other places to other people.
Is that where her money comes from?
I’ve given up thinking we’ll ever know.
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[trubandloki]

@OverandOnward

And then even after getting his lawyers involved, MB broke Landlord Rule #1 – Do not go to the property when you are in the process of eviction.

In your over simplification of what went on here you seem to have forgotten so many of the details.

The house was supposed to be empty.

The Fire Marshal kicked every one out. Lauren Kanarek and Robert Guy Goodwin were not supposed to be there, because they contacted the Fire Marshal to get Michael in trouble and they ended up being kicked out by the Fire Marshal. No one at all was supposed to be in that house, and Michael had things he was required to fix by the Fire Marshal.

[Danvers]

DRUGS and horses are very, very, very expensive. Drugs can be more expensive than horses ….
Edited to emphasis DRUGS