Michael Barisone Hearing, Tuesday, April 23

[jvanrens]

Well said. Somehow via email LK managed to (way after normal business hours) to get permission to stay in the house, while the person responsible didn’t bother to notify MB. As far as he knew the house was empty.

[Knights_Mom]

@Annie10

@cutter99

@Annie10

Just calling the police is not “the eviction process”

Did you only read one sentence?

No I read the entire post.
The “eviction process” is begun when you the landlord goes to the court and filed it and begins the official process. Not before. Not by calling the police, and not by consulting with a lawyer , unless they go file it for you. Until someone is legally evicted from their place of residence they don’t have to go anywhere.

Wrong. Evicting people was my job.

Step 1 is notice. Step 2 is going to court to file a petition which will state HOW you did Step 1.

Normally eviction takes some time but there is a provision for emergency removal in situations of criminal acts. This provision applies as LK engaged in criminal acts.

Removal could have been days instead of months.

There are provisions for notice of a petition to be filed to be either verbal or in writing. This tells the tenant they have X amount of days to do what’s being asked- payment of rent owed or vacatur (depending on the situation).

[Knights_Mom]

@OverandOnward

So why are so many people jumping on me, who has worked as a professional property manager, trying to disprove that proper landlord procedure would have prevented everything – when very, very clearly it is you who don’t know the business as well as you think you do? (Several posts incorrectly attacking one of mine.)

I don’t have time to teach an entire class in this thread of all the many details and protocols that MB did not follow, step by step throughout the LK experience. That jumped out, over and over, reading the details in earlier threads.

I’m not even going to bother quoting and replying to all of the errors in the posts above. Too many. You are welcome to ignore the realities and think what you like.

It was straight down the pipe a landlord disaster, from the first moment MB and LK discussed her coming to his place. Horses and all. Training services, all of it.

If from the beginning MB had recognized that at the fundamental core of the arrangement was two people and five horses occupying space on his property, and followed a clear business separation of that fact from the training services rendered, that would have covered everything he needed later. But he had done it a different, less precise way before, and it worked, so I guess he didn’t see the importance.

The whole point of landlord-tenant protocols, regulations and laws is to avoid situations like MB - LK. To protect landlords and tenants from each other. To offer much faster and more straightforward avenues of correction when people start breaking the rules.

If MB had done a proper background check at the beginning, LK would have have never moved in, in the first place.

And what unfolded was not a uniquely weird situation, re landlording. Every case has its own details. But situations as bad as this happen every day. They are unfolding right now, all over the country. Shooting is hopefully not usually involved. But sometimes it is, as happened in a case here locally.

Craziness getting tenants out of properties that is this bad and worse happens all the time. A tenant taking over the property and refusing to leave; a tenant forcing a landlord out of their own property; either party severely harrassing the other with intimidation and other tactics (or both doing harrassment); failure to have a proper contract; and ultimately, failure to follow the correct eviction process from the beginning, even with a legal team finally on board to guide every step … etc. & so on.

Getting CPS involved is a CLASSIC TACTIC when tenants refuse to leave. LANDLORDS may do it with a very dirty tenant who is trashing their property, because CPS usually tells the tenant to either clean up the place, or move to a cleaner place. Tenants tend to move, very quickly because CPS gives them a short deadline.

But it can be the tenant calling CPS on the landlord to initimidate and harrass. It happens. CPS being used by manipulators is a problem that CPS has to deal with.

Who do you think is one of the top targets for a “drug addicted narcissistic stalker”? Landlords. Because drug addicted narcissistic stalkers are looking for a place to live, and they want, shall we say, voluntary or involuntary concessions. Obviously MB’s place was where LK wanted to be.

One step at a time, MB didn’t do the standard. His legal team was up against it because MB hadn’t followed the standard procedures of landlording, but now he needs them to help him with an eviction. That was a feature of the story that jumped out at me.

And then even after getting his lawyers involved, MB broke Landlord Rule #1 – Do not go to the property when you are in the process of eviction. In most jurisdictions that is the law.

And, don’t confront the tenant. Your lawyer will tell you not to do these things, in any case.

If MB, even after breaking all of the other rules that he did, had just followed that one …

Here locally, a few years ago a landlord’s representative working on legally evicting a tenant that was refusing to leave a property was shot and killed by said tenant. And in that case the deceased individual was correctly present at the property as part of the legal process.

Even when rules are being followed, going to the property during an eviction process has to be considered as potentially a dangerous situation. That’s why those visits are regulated.

Trust me, landlords who handle a lot of tenants run into every toxic human trait there is. Most of the time no one gets killed. But that has happened, too. That’s why there are rules and laws governing much of the process, to protect landlord-tenants from each other.

LK being entrenched in the property, LK being shot, both would have been prevented had MB followed standard and legal landlording protocol.

@Djones

This was so much more than landlord vs tenant.

Go watch 48hrs.

48 Hours is a true crime drama show. They aren’t giving a class on landlording.

Internet search on severe landlording problems. Read up on disaster tenants. You’ll recognize some LK behavior and actions.

It’s everyone’s prerogative to see the MB-LK situation as a massive emotional drama, and ignore the rest, if they prefer.

But it ignores the business and legal structures that are in place precisely to protect individuals from toxic situations like this one.

@trubandloki

On the point you think (wrongly) sums up the situation -

You don’t know what I think. Stop. Don’t summarize my thoughts, because you are wrong.

@SillyHorse

And those are the people who are targeted marks for people like LK.

EXACTLY. How I wish everyone who is not a professional property manager, who wants to rent out their own space more casually, would take this story to heart – but too many of them won’t. Too many people don’t believe they will ever meet anyone like LK. They don’t understand the ways in which their property will be a magnet to people like her.

The process was started. There is no nationwide background check system. She was in another state. A full background check costs money.

This was never Barisone’s fault. He comes from a handshake world.

It’s Lauren’s fault. She was asked to move. She needed to move and her wittle feelings meant zilch to the situation. Her thinking she could fanagle a way to stay was ludicrous. Her parental unit suggesting she would train with MB again is indicative of the deeply held delusional idiocy that runs through this families veins instead of blood. My opinion.

And it was HIS HOUSE. He was domiciled there too. He didn’t “go” to HER house. He went to HIS house. Where she was squatting.

[Annie10]

Exactly. just a visit from the police or just a written notice to vacate or pay up is not sufficient. It must be followed by filing with the court and ended with service of the final eviction notice. At least that’s how it is in my area, and it often takes as long as 90 days to get from filing to final service.

[Knights_Mom]

Could be done in 3 days in my state due to the criminal acts. My state and NJ are very similar in many of their laws.

[Annie10]

Interesting. We don’t have that option here.
Although domestic violence often results in an injunction issued by the judge at first appearance so if they get a bond and if they make bond they get out with no house to go back to. That always kind of amused me.

[Knights_Mom]

Orders of protection to exclude are often given out based solely on ex parte petition.

[Annie10]

@Knights_Mom

Orders of protection to exclude are often given out based solely on ex parte petition.

We have those too for situations when there hasn’t been an arrest or other police involvement.
I just take a perverse glee when the judge issues it at first appearance for these buttheads. It’s pretty standard here in DV cases with arrests.

[clipper]

Hmm…
Usually when the thread goes to knocking MB or praising LK it means something not nice is happening to LK.
I wonder what the bad news for LK is!

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

Maybe a lawyer informed her that suing CBS over the 48 Hours episode is an exercise in futility?

[Knights_Mom]

Preview of the script for the 48 Netflix thingee?

[Ambitious_Kate]

I doubt they give her any kind of preview. She signs a contract, they do their interviews, then they create their documentary. I wouldn’t think they give her any heads up.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

After all the drama with Baby Reindeer, my guess is they will take a second look at releases and contracts for anything that relates to a true story, and be extra careful. Also… they probably took note of Lauren’s public blustering about suing 48 hours.

Anyway, my guess is they made sure all the t’s were crossed and i’s were dotted on the front end. No previews of scripts or after the fact take backs allowed.

Let’s be real. Lolly Pop loves the spotlight and wants to tell her side of the story… again and again and again. She’ll participate even if they don’t allow her any script previews, etc.

[iberianfan]

This whole argument about Michael should have evicted her properly was hashed and rehashed years ago. Notably with a now-banned user. It got old then and is already old now.

[SuzieQNutter]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

Let’s be real. Lolly Pop loves the spotlight and wants to tell her side of the story… again and again and again. She’ll participate even if they don’t allow her any script previews, etc.

However on 48 hours LK didn’t tell her story. All we got was halt halt and bow and they weren’t even her horses or the barn she was at.

LK also wouldn’t sit for a Disposition in a trial that SHE instigated. She only wants to tell her story on Social Media where she has admitted in court that she lies.

[Djones]

@Knights_Mom

Preview of the script for the 48 Netflix thingee?

While it’s not Netflix, Amazon Prime’s dive into the Duggar family would indicate to me that no one gets a preview. It gets launched.
Both have ample lawyers on board, as does CBS.

I’ve heard that Lauren Kanarek “sued” CBS but you know what, that episode is freely available all day long online some 2 years later, I think?

48 hours has exposed folks a whole lot bigger than Lauren Kanarek, people with careers and children and good reputations in the community. Some raggedy ne’er do well from Jersey? Big deal.

[KurPlexed]

@iberianfan

It got old then and is already old now.

Thank you. Can we not. Lol

[Angela_Freda]

Agreed she wants to tell her story, alas it’s a tall, tall tale. An unbelievable fairy tale full of murder plots and creeping ninjas.
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[Djones]

https://open.spotify.com/episode/4e38YAovSZZcLkYqQntPO2?si=8ekkqDWgRkuZEu45hOi-eA

I hadn’t listened to this before today. Kanarek case starts at 14:13 and runs about 8 minutes. The empathy for Michael and the disbelief of Kanarek and her ‘fiance’ is palpable.

[BrownDerby]

That was fascinating. Discussing the trial before the jurors’ decision. Thanks for posting,