Of course it’s still about defense. SGF and MB still have to defend against LKs suit. If RC thought that SGF and MB could defend against LKs claim by establishing LK was more than 51% responsible, RC could “free ride” on the legal efforts of the other two defendants.
And I’d put money on MB prevailing in his case as well.
Virginia_Horse_Mom:When it comes to the battle for public opinion… the reality at this point is that LK has a toxic reputation in the dressage community. There aren’t many, if any, fence sitters left out there.
Not just the dressage community……she didn’t go over well in the YT and FB communities either.
No one will reward someone for plotting and conniving against someone to their breaking point.
No, she won’t be rewarded for the inflammatory SM posts or for calling the building department, etc.
The civil trial is about awarding compensation for having been shot and injured by MB.
What are the odds that the Ks attended this event?
The marketing for this EgoFest3000 is superb.
Virginia_Horse_Mom: CanteringCarrot:I think that many people really don’t realize how often insurance companies and other entities settle vs going to trial. Even if their odds are quite good.
@CurrentlyHorseless has claimed in the past to work in the financial industry.
I find it hard to believe that CH doesn’t grasp the basic arithmetic and common financial risk mitigation strategies when it comes to nuisance settlements by insurance companies vs. protracted civil litigation expenses.
CH gets it.
CH just wanted to make a declaration on the thread that Lollypop will win this thing in the end.
We (COTH regulars) all know what CH’s general opinion of the case is… so I wonder, at this point, who the intended audience is when it comes to CH’s latest declaration.
When it comes to the battle for public opinion… the reality at this point is that LK has a toxic reputation in the dressage community. There aren’t many, if any, fence sitters left out there.
Of course I get it. I’m the one who said I think the insurance company for SGF will try to settle.
It’s the mob narrative that SGF won’t settle or that SGF doesn’t have liability insurance.
Yes, I’m posting my opinion that I think LK will win a substantial award, despite knowing it’s a minority opinion. It’s a discussion board.
Is this thread about a battle for public opinion re LKs “toxicity”? Not about the civil trial? Is the civil trial the purported topic of the thread just to have a thread open to indulge in the pleasure of hate?
Nope, not buying it. You pushed the narrative that neither MB or SGF had the proper insurances for quite sometime. It was one of those hills you chose to die on @CurrentlyHorseless.
You do not get to blame the EIM for everything. We keep receipts!
MHM: skydy: skydy:I don’t think it will be an issue. The FEI tests riders in the International rankings. Top 300 in Dressage.
If you are going to the Olympics it would be a problem.
Quoting myself to add that the FEI can test anyone riding in an FEI class, they don’t very often, but they certainly can.
Again, someone would need to actually show in the FEI classes before that would be a concern.
Of course a person would have to be eligible to show in their NF (USEF shows in this case) before they would be reasonably allowed to show in FEI competition.
LK will have to meet the requirements to be allowed show in USEF classes first, before even considering taking a shot at anything at the FEI level.
A rider who has any FEI aspirations whatsoever is unlikely to have left their USEF requirements to have lapsed for over a year now.
I find it ironic that LK can’t ride in a rated USEF show ((let alone FEI classes) because the very minimal Safe Sport requirement to compete has not been met on her part.
The “I coulda been a contender” line won’t go far for LK’s damage complaint if it is explained to the jury that there are some very, very, basic steps that anyone with “Olympic potential” knows they must have in place (such as actually being in compliance with their own NF.)
Oh, the irony.
I hope that the Defense will point out this discrepancy.
Realistically, if the USEF membership is paid up, and the only issue is updating the online safe sport requirement, that does not take very long.
If you’re not planning to compete anytime soon, it might not be a high priority. But if you’re planning to compete, or even if you want to just look like you’re planning to compete, it would not take long to rectify it.
I generally don’t love doing the long multi quote thing, but in this case it might be needed for context. Lol.
My friend said her SS renewal took all of 10 minutes maybe.
Perhaps JK is getting more educated about dressage in general during his attendances as FNL and while approaching various trainers to convince them to take on Daughter Dearest. It must be a bit of a shock to him to learn that full board/training with an Olympian for ONE horse generally costs close to what he was paying at HH for multiple horses. And perhaps he is also learning that students rarely start off having lessons with the Olympian but instead are trained by asst trainers until they EARN the attention of the Olympian by demonstrating not only oodles of talent but also punctuality, dedication, hard work, perseverance, ability to FOLLOW RULES, etc.
And he may also be starting to to truly understand that what LK has been handing him for years about being good enough for the Olympic Team (“if only I had more and fancier horses and was training with a VBNT”) is nothing but a load of bull hockey.
Only if anyone is willing to actually speak to him.
The civil trial is about awarding compensation for having been shot and injured by MB.
She first needs to prove Michael Barisone shot her. That’s gonna be a tough mountain to climb without the video RG told Heymer was available.
Only if anyone is willing to actually speak to him.
From document by Mr. Tarshis, it sounds like Jonathan Kanarek does not really give someone a choice about the matter, he approaches them and speaks to them, they do not have to like it.
Oh @Jealoushe, I forgot to mention that in the other post. There is a great letter from Mr. Tarshis in that same document I told you to look at where he describes how the Kanarek family approached him one at a time, Jonathan Kanarek, Kirby Kanarek, and then Lauren Kanarek at a dressage function shortly before the criminal trial. They all tried to discuss Michael with him.
That is a good read and worth your time to look at.
indulge in the pleasure of hate?
The irony is astounding.
The fact of the matter is, no jury worth its salt is going to reward such behavior when she could have just left, especially since she was already discussing other trainers.
And not just discussing it, but had stalls lined up at a suitable place around the corner, which I would think will probably come out in the civil trial.
Does section hh only apply to an attorney’s client that they represent?
If they file on someone else’s behalf, it wouldn’t apply to any delays in discovery from that person?
CurrentlyHorseless: Virginia_Horse_Mom: CanteringCarrot:I think that many people really don’t realize how often insurance companies and other entities settle vs going to trial. Even if their odds are quite good.
@CurrentlyHorseless has claimed in the past to work in the financial industry.
I find it hard to believe that CH doesn’t grasp the basic arithmetic and common financial risk mitigation strategies when it comes to nuisance settlements by insurance companies vs. protracted civil litigation expenses.
CH gets it.
CH just wanted to make a declaration on the thread that Lollypop will win this thing in the end.
We (COTH regulars) all know what CH’s general opinion of the case is… so I wonder, at this point, who the intended audience is when it comes to CH’s latest declaration.
When it comes to the battle for public opinion… the reality at this point is that LK has a toxic reputation in the dressage community. There aren’t many, if any, fence sitters left out there.
Of course I get it. I’m the one who said I think the insurance company for SGF will try to settle.
It’s the mob narrative that SGF won’t settle or that SGF doesn’t have liability insurance.
Yes, I’m posting my opinion that I think LK will win a substantial award, despite knowing it’s a minority opinion. It’s a discussion board.
Is this thread about a battle for public opinion re LKs “toxicity”? Not about the civil trial? Is the civil trial the purported topic of the thread just to have a thread open to indulge in the pleasure of hate?
Nope, not buying it. You pushed the narrative that neither MB or SGF had the proper insurances for quite sometime. It was one of those hills you chose to die on @CurrentlyHorseless.
You do not get to blame the EIM for everything. We keep receipts!
I’ve said that as the owner of the property, I think that it is SGF rather than MB which has a liability policy on the real estate.
Since MB did not own the property as an individual, but only through his partnership in SGF, I’ve said I doubt that MB as an individual holds liability insurance on the property.
Please show the receipts for your claim that I ever said that SGF did not have liability insurance.
It is @trubandloki who is saying that SGF did not have liability insurance.
It is @trubandloki who is saying that SGF did not have liability insurance.
@trubandloki never said that.
It is @trubandloki who is saying that SGF did not have liability insurance.
No, that is not what I said, thank you very much.
Let me refresh your memory that is clearly lacking.
(note to self - do not trust CH’s memory.)
Oh yes, and we keep pointing out that SGF is not using their insurance for this.
Hope that helps you.
#jonathankanarek
#kirbykanarek
#laurenkanarek
#lalapoprider
#liars
#prooftheyareliars
#contempt
What are the odds that the Ks attended this event?
Of course! She was one of the dressage demo riders hand picked by Helgstrand himself because, well, you know, she’s a USDF BRONZE Medalist and all. /s
She first needs to prove Michael Barisone shot her.
Yep. She needs to prove MB shot her to the standard of “by a preponderance of the evidence”, if collateral estoppel is not invoked.
Do you think his defense team will waste the time and resources on the issue? I don’t.
cutter99: CurrentlyHorseless: Virginia_Horse_Mom: CanteringCarrot:I think that many people really don’t realize how often insurance companies and other entities settle vs going to trial. Even if their odds are quite good.
@CurrentlyHorseless has claimed in the past to work in the financial industry.
I find it hard to believe that CH doesn’t grasp the basic arithmetic and common financial risk mitigation strategies when it comes to nuisance settlements by insurance companies vs. protracted civil litigation expenses.
CH gets it.
CH just wanted to make a declaration on the thread that Lollypop will win this thing in the end.
We (COTH regulars) all know what CH’s general opinion of the case is… so I wonder, at this point, who the intended audience is when it comes to CH’s latest declaration.
When it comes to the battle for public opinion… the reality at this point is that LK has a toxic reputation in the dressage community. There aren’t many, if any, fence sitters left out there.
Of course I get it. I’m the one who said I think the insurance company for SGF will try to settle.
It’s the mob narrative that SGF won’t settle or that SGF doesn’t have liability insurance.
Yes, I’m posting my opinion that I think LK will win a substantial award, despite knowing it’s a minority opinion. It’s a discussion board.
Is this thread about a battle for public opinion re LKs “toxicity”? Not about the civil trial? Is the civil trial the purported topic of the thread just to have a thread open to indulge in the pleasure of hate?
Nope, not buying it. You pushed the narrative that neither MB or SGF had the proper insurances for quite sometime. It was one of those hills you chose to die on @CurrentlyHorseless.
You do not get to blame the EIM for everything. We keep receipts!
I’ve said that as the owner of the property, I think that it is SGF rather than MB which has a liability policy on the real estate.
Since MB did not own the property as an individual, but only through his partnership in SGF, I’ve said I doubt that MB as an individual holds liability insurance on the property.
Please show the receipts for your claim that I ever said that SGF did not have liability insurance.
It is @trubandloki who is saying that SGF did not have liability insurance.
Twist, twist, twist! Nice try @CurrentlyHorseless, but once again, NOPE!!!