Michael Barisone/Lauren Kanarek Civil Suit

[MHM]

@SillyHorse

@McGurk

Sort of like “halfway Bronzed”

Really, crowing about this is bizarre for someone who thinks she has Olympic hopes.

Does LK really think she has Olympic hopes?

Or does that claim just seem like something that might result in a bigger payoff in a court case?

[eggbutt]

@CurrentlyHorseless

Do you think his defense team will waste the time and resources on the issue? I don’t.

By the time the defense is finished there will be absolutely no doubt how Lauren Kanarek was shot and the events that led up to that shooting, using available evidence, including audio recordings and social media posts.

[SillyHorse]

@eggbutt

@Joanne

What are the odds that the Ks attended this event?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DggfBAvKwZc

Of course! She was one of the dressage demo riders hand picked by Helgstrand himself because, well, you know, she’s a USDF BRONZE Medalist and all. /s

[SillyHorse]

@Knights_Mom

The marketing for this EgoFest3000 is superb.

“EgoFest3000” LOL! Exactly!

[MHM]

I just have to comment on the fact that it’s so weird to see Seth Meyers in a suit and tie again. He has completely stuck with the dressed down style following the pandemic work from home era.

It’s a little funny to see the contrast between his untucked shirt approach and the actresses who will still show up for his interviews in very dressy cocktail attire, for lack of a better term.

I think the only time I’ve seen him in a suit in the last couple of years was when he had Bruce Springsteen on his show. Lol.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@trubandloki

@CurrentlyHorseless

It is @trubandloki who is saying that SGF did not have liability insurance.

No, that is not what I said, thank you very much.

Let me refresh your memory that is clearly lacking.
(note to self - do not trust CH’s memory.)

@trubandloki

Oh yes, and we keep pointing out that SGF is not using their insurance for this.

Hope that helps you.

#jonathankanarek
#kirbykanarek
#laurenkanarek
#lalapoprider
#liars
#prooftheyareliars
#contempt

You posted a document filled out by Silver that asked whether the defendant had any known liability insurance, which Silver filled out as “none”.

Are you now saying that you think that SGF has liability insurance but is choosing not to use it? Why would anyone with liability insurance choose not to use it?

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@cutter99

@CurrentlyHorseless

@cutter99

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

@CanteringCarrot

I think that many people really don’t realize how often insurance companies and other entities settle vs going to trial. Even if their odds are quite good.

@CurrentlyHorseless has claimed in the past to work in the financial industry.

I find it hard to believe that CH doesn’t grasp the basic arithmetic and common financial risk mitigation strategies when it comes to nuisance settlements by insurance companies vs. protracted civil litigation expenses.

CH gets it.

CH just wanted to make a declaration on the thread that Lollypop will win this thing in the end.

We (COTH regulars) all know what CH’s general opinion of the case is… so I wonder, at this point, who the intended audience is when it comes to CH’s latest declaration.

When it comes to the battle for public opinion… the reality at this point is that LK has a toxic reputation in the dressage community. There aren’t many, if any, fence sitters left out there.

Of course I get it. I’m the one who said I think the insurance company for SGF will try to settle.

It’s the mob narrative that SGF won’t settle or that SGF doesn’t have liability insurance.

Yes, I’m posting my opinion that I think LK will win a substantial award, despite knowing it’s a minority opinion. It’s a discussion board.

Is this thread about a battle for public opinion re LKs “toxicity”? Not about the civil trial? Is the civil trial the purported topic of the thread just to have a thread open to indulge in the pleasure of hate?

Nope, not buying it. You pushed the narrative that neither MB or SGF had the proper insurances for quite sometime. It was one of those hills you chose to die on @CurrentlyHorseless.

You do not get to blame the EIM for everything. We keep receipts!

I’ve said that as the owner of the property, I think that it is SGF rather than MB which has a liability policy on the real estate.

Since MB did not own the property as an individual, but only through his partnership in SGF, I’ve said I doubt that MB as an individual holds liability insurance on the property.

Please show the receipts for your claim that I ever said that SGF did not have liability insurance.

It is @trubandloki who is saying that SGF did not have liability insurance.

Twist, twist, twist! Nice try @CurrentlyHorseless, but once again, NOPE!!!

No, cutter. I never said that SGF did not have liability insurance. I’ve said that I think Silver is the attorney hired by the insurance company.

Please show the receipts you referred to.

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@eggbutt

She first needs to prove Michael Barisone shot her.

Yep. She needs to prove MB shot her to the standard of “by a preponderance of the evidence”, if collateral estoppel is not invoked.

Do you think his defense team will waste the time and resources on the issue? I don’t.

You keep thinking that.

[trubandloki]

@CurrentlyHorseless

Why would anyone with liability insurance choose not to use it?

I know we have explained this to you already. You need to try some of those memory enhancing things they advertise all over TV.

If you (general person, clearly not you CH, you have explained to us that you do not have insurance) have insurance and they want to settle because it is cheaper for them than going thru with the case, and you feel that settling is not the right answer, then your insurance backs out and you move forward with the case with out the insurance.

Pretty darn simple explanation. Does not even require standing on your head to understand.

I am still floored by Jonathan Kanarek’s text about thinking it is funny to make someone homeless. Darn him. That was not very nice.

[MHM]

Wow, Ludger is looking very distinguished these days.

I will say the horses performing in that setting are already getting a leg up on their four-legged competitors by seeing so many people around the ring. Most horses in this country won’t see that many spectators in a lifetime in the show ring. Lol.

Many years ago, we took somebody to show at the Royal Winter Fair. We laughed about the fact that she probably showed in front of more spectators there in a single two minute class over fences than in her entire previous show career put together. Lol.

[cutter99]

Nah @CurrentlyHorseless, we know what you said. We also know how you twist and that your memory and comprehension are lacking.

Why don’t you show the receipts?

[lazaret]

This has more to do with the legal basis for partnerships and personal liability vs corporate liability, not comparative negligence.

corporate structures can modify the personal liability of their individual owners depending on the structure and the actions taken. In other words it doesn’t really relate here except to explain why SGF is the defendant and not the people who comprise SGF.

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

Are you now saying that you think that SGF has liability insurance but is choosing not to use it? Why would anyone with liability insurance choose not to use it?

@CurrentlyHorseless

Please show the receipts for your claim that I ever said that SGF did not have liability insurance.

[lazaret]

Collateral estoppel does not mean what you think it means based on your five second google.

[Knights_Mom]

@lazaret

Collateral estoppel does not mean what you think it means based on your five second google.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@trubandloki

@CurrentlyHorseless

Why would anyone with liability insurance choose not to use it?

I know we have explained this to you already. You need to try some of those memory enhancing things they advertise all over TV.

If you (general person, clearly not you CH, you have explained to us that you do not have insurance) have insurance and they want to settle because it is cheaper for them than going thru with the case, and you feel that settling is not the right answer, then your insurance backs out and you move forward with the case with out the insurance.

Pretty darn simple explanation. Does not even require standing on your head to understand.

I am still floored by Jonathan Kanarek’s text about thinking it is funny to make someone homeless. Darn him. That was not very nice.

Wrong again. I have renters insurance.

If you have liability insurance, the insurance company insures you against your liability by either settling, or by paying the award determined by the jury.

Do you think SGF would tell the insurance company they don’t have to cover the liability and defend the case itself, in which case they, SGF, then has to pay any award? That’s ridiculous.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@lazaret

Collateral estoppel does not mean what you think it means based on your five second google.

LOL. I haven’t googled it.

What do you think I think it means, Lazaret?

[MHM]

@trubandloki

From document by Mr. Tarshis, it sounds like Jonathan Kanarek does not really give someone a choice about the matter, he approaches them and speaks to them, they do not have to like it.

I will point out that just because he speaks, that doesn’t necessarily mean anyone has to respond. Or stand there and listen to him, for that matter.

I’m guessing Mr. Tarshis was probably some combination of too shocked and also too polite to turn and walk away.

I don’t know if JK would get the same reaction from everyone. Especially as word gets around, particularly about the K habit of recording conversations.

[BigMama1]

@Sdel

She broke the horses?

She’s riding in lessons so I assume the horses are fine. She’s really not a terrible rider, just an average one.

[erinmeri]

@Knights_Mom

The marketing for this EgoFest3000 is superb.

Eh, I’d still 100% go to this.