By watching the trial. With an open mind.
Try it.
All of the subterfuge that we are aware of by JK screams total desperation to me. Almost as though he either knows or suspects what happened at Hawthorne Hill that day is not what his daughter and whatever have said. He seems to be a completely panicked father who can’t bail his child out of her latest muckup. I doubt he ever considered anything other than a slam dunk guilty verdict on all counts so the suits would be smooth sailing, without all the evidence of their conspiracy coming to the light of day.
Karma says checkmate.
If I was a juror for that trial, and I was now finding out all the stuff that the judge did not let me know, I would be really annoyed and upset with our justice system.
I watched the trial. I found the verdict reasonable, both on the finding that he shot her and the finding that he was insane when he did so.
I was asking how those of you who think there is zero evidence that he shot her can think the jury was reasonable in going with NGRI instead of NG.
I was asking how those of you who think there is zero evidence that he shot her can think the jury was reasonable in going with NGRI instead of NG
Because we know far, far more that (which) the jury didn’t know at the time.
It’s pretty clear that different parties are not reading Knight’s Mom’s previous posts the same way. The posts have been provided and explanations/clarifications from both sides, from which everyone can make their own determinations about how they were being represented. Let’s please refocus the discussion back to the recent filings.
It seems like this lovely advice from Mod 1 would also apply to rehashing the verdict once again too.
I was asking how those of you who think there is zero evidence that he shot her can think the jury was reasonable in going with NGRI instead of NG.
Because it was obvious he was an emotional wreck during the trial to the point of shaking the entire time RG was in the room. Perhaps they wanted to be sure he received state paid mental health help for what LK did to him. If so, what a travesty the mental health facilities in NJ are so lacking for the patients they house.
CurrentlyHorseless:I was asking how those of you who think there is zero evidence that he shot her can think the jury was reasonable in going with NGRI instead of NG.
Because it was obvious he was an emotional wreck during the trial to the point of shaking the entire time RG was in the room. Perhaps they wanted to be sure he received state paid mental health help for what LK did to him. If so, what a travesty the mental health facilities in NJ are so lacking for the patients they house.
This is the most ridiculous part of your narrative — that the jury did not think he shot her, but found him NGRI instead of NG so that he would receive “state paid mental health help”.
All of the subterfuge that we are aware of by JK screams total desperation to me. Almost as though he either knows or suspects what happened at Hawthorne Hill that day is not what his daughter and whatever have said. He seems to be a completely panicked father who can’t bail his child out of her latest muckup. I doubt he ever considered anything other than a slam dunk guilty verdict on all counts so the suits would be smooth sailing, without all the evidence of their conspiracy coming to the light of day.
Karma says checkmate.
I suspect her attorneys feel the same way. At least as far as the panic part goes.
Another thing that shocks me is that the K Klan appears to have zero sense of self preservation. In the horse world, no one wants a horse that has zero sense of self preservation and will injure itself rather than taking an easier path - something as simple as stopping. (Please dont confuse this with the horse who gets injured even while around no sharp objects.) Its the horse that is committed to fighting for no apparent reason. I believe there is an argument with these types of horses for both nature and nurture. With the K Klan it definitely appears to be both - nature and nurture.
I doubt anyone knew who they were. They aren’t exactly recognizable regardless of their “notoriety”.
A friend of mine uses the expression, “I would not know him if I tripped over him in line at the food stand.”
I think that would apply in this case for most people, including those who have been discussing the case online for years.
That goes for LK herself, and especially for her parents.
For those who might have missed them in the other thread, here is a copy and paste of the text messages that @sdel transcribed for us since so many of us had a hard time reading them.
Defense Exhibit 100C-8 (Exhibit I)
Line 1: (outgoing-6:52.35PM) JK’s email? (It’s a spelled out email, but I didn’t want to put it all here. Question mark appears right after the email address)
Line 2: (incoming-6:17.25PM) YOU SAID YOUD DO THIS TODAY
Line 3: (incoming-6:17.14PM) You NEEDED to plant a bug BY THE DUMPSTER
Line 4: (outgoing-6:17.04PM) So I assume he knows
Line 5: (outgoing-6:16.58PM) He has said that in the past
Line 6: (incoming-6:16.30PM) And (not clear, possibly liar)?
Line 7: (incoming-6:16.23PM) Does he understand Michael is a crook?
Line 8: (incoming-6:16.11PM) Whose side did Fugaro seem to be on….even though he said he didn’t want to get in the middle
Line 9: (outgoing-6:12.04PM) He said he doesn’t want to get in the middle. I explained the real law suit to him and he said he can’t claim it is in full training board. And also claim that you are not riding him that’s why he lost muscle.
Line 10: (incoming-6:08.23PM) Does he understand what mb is doing
Line 11: (outgoing-6:07.15PM)So should we text Michael about the training that his lawyer said is still going on? We just want to ask what time will you be training my horses cause I would like to watch the progress
Line 12: (outgoing-3:31.42PM) any News
Line 13: (outgoing-2:07.17PM) And I confirmed for sure that they know we have a bug in the barn
Line 14: (outgoing-2:06.21PM) Let me know about Michaels lawyer. I’m holding off on calling the building department until I know. Also, if you can explain what we will really be suing about. I don’t think Michael is being honest with him. He might advice Michael to settle. I feel like it’s worth a try.
Line 15: (incoming-4:06.31AM) A new BIG ASS one
Line 16: (incoming-4:06.23AM) Mb would have to buy a new one
Line 17: (outgoing-4:06.13AM) It’s off
Line 18: (incoming-4:06.11AM) For them
Line 19: (incoming-4:06.04AM) And make sure the gen at the barn won’t save the situation
Line 20: (incoming-4:05.05AM) (unclear)….returned the favor? (Trubandloki posting - I believe the first words are What if we)
Line 21: (incoming-4:04.44AM) Can’t we do something about that?
Line 22: (incoming-4:04.20AM) Are u really worried about the propane???
Line 23: (outgoing-4:03.44AM) Hurry, I like to to take warm showers
Line 24: (incoming-4:03.37AM) I’ll do the the rest
Line 25: (incoming-4:03.30AM) Can u just turn off the stove?
Line 26: (outgoing-4:03.23AM) It’s still going
Line 27: (incoming-4:03.17AM) Coming but I’m almost done with my (cig)
Line 29: (incoming-4:03.01AM) poop: (original is a word)
Line 30: (outgoing-3:56.49AM) Come get your tea. We don’t want to waste gas
Line 31: (incoming-3:56.47AM) Oh ok
(Line between 31 & 32: (outgoing-3:56.27AM) Comcast)
Line 32: (incoming-3:36.01AM) Who’s # is this
Line 33: (outgoing-3:03.27AM) 1- 800- 931-6489
Line 34: (outgoing-2:33.48AM) The truck is doing night watchDefense Exhibit 200C-42 (Exhibit J)
Line 1: (Outgoing-9:37.08PM) We need to send Michael, MH, Justin and Mary DeFranco the very first recording. Then tell them it is the tip of the iceberg…. The police are buffering it now. We will be sending each of the other (a number, ends in a 4) threats and bullying and plotting to make the staff “fall in the line” recordings as we see fit. Just a formal notification - so that the other parties on THIS one 51 minute recording (which you cannot hear as clearly as we can or as clearly as the Washington Township Police can) have a chance to lawyer up.
Line 2: (incoming-9:23.08PM) I told Lauren that we should give a date after the show that we will move out. Rather than go through the whole process of eviction. It is not going to go well after this and more, we need to get the horses out of there.
Line 3: (incoming-9:23.08PM) Repeat Line 2
Line 4: (incoming-9:19.48PM) lol I hope so, I even told them about the downstairs apartment. They claimed to move out so now they can’t move back in.
Line 5: (incoming-9:19.48PM) Repeat Line 4
Line 6: (incoming-9:18.22PM) haha….maybe they’ll be homeless
Line 7: (incoming-9:18.22PM) repeat line 6
Line 8. (incoming RGG-9:15.32PM) Fire marshal and building inspector coming tomorrow. Seemed happy to fine him. Stop construction and I’m hoping they KICK everyone out
Line 9: (incoming-9:15.32PM) Repeat line 8
Line 10: (incoming Williams-8:55.38PM) In my opinion, Shannon would be the best for Rose since she is more used to female riders. Marcus would be excellent for the boys
Line 11: (incoming-8:55.38PM) repeat line 10
Line 12: (incoming JK-8:28.00PM) I forwarded our lawyer’s letter to you
Line 13: (incoming-8:28.00PM) Repeat line 12
Line 14: (incoming Williams-8:23.52PM) I have not worked with them before though. But they have a good reputation and really good competition resultsDefense exhibit 200c-43 (Exhibit K)
Line 1: (outgoing-9:43.46) I didn’t get it?
Line 2: (outgoing-9:43.46) repeat line
Line 3: (outgoing-9:43.46) repeat line 1
Line 4: (outgoing-9:43.42) where is that?
Line 5: (outgoing-9:43.42) repeat line 4
Line 6: (outgoing-9:43.42) repeat line 4
Line 7: (incoming JK-9:43.26) lawyer first. I need to firm up appt time in the morning. How’s 1 pm if that works for him? He’s in Roseland. I liked his first informa letter to MBms lawyer.
Line 8: (incoming JK-9:43.26) repeat line 7
Line 9: (outgoing-9:43.21) It’s more for USEF than anything else, but I’ll include that we have been given permission to take videos, recordings, or anything else which we feel keep us safe from danger and the location will not be inadmissible due to the fact it is in the stables where people come and go to see their horses - which can be heard…(cut off)
Line 10: (outgoing-9:43.21) repeat
Line 11: (outgoing-9:43.21) repeat
Line 12: (outgoing-9:39.50) it may not go through in text. But I guarantee if I send it to Mary Haskins email & include Mary DeFranco……they’ll realize they don’t realize how much more we have….
Line 13: (outgoing-9:39.50) repeat line 12
Line 14: (outgoing-9:39.50) repeat line 12Edit - I have edited line 14 of the Exhibit I text to contain the whole text.
Who are Shannon and Marcus in Exhibit J? Where the horses were headed?
I doubt anyone knew who they were.
My friends went to the same event in Wellington when K’s were there and did not know who they were until they ended up sitting with them. The conversation was interesting.
If it had not been tor the multiple, sloppy, unwritten agreements which led to the financial dispute, I think she would have been gone earlier and with less drama.
On that note - inquiring minds want to know why her father - who manages her financial and legal affairs and who is an ATTORNEY for God’s sake - didn’t ensure there were well-crafted contracts in place? If for no other reason than to try to make sure his impetuous (and tempestuous) daughter wasn’t getting in over her head?
One would think an ATTORNEY would have made more effort to safeguard the interests of his daughter, ESP. when he (apparently) has some sort of guardianship/stewardship over her financially.
eggbutt:I doubt anyone knew who they were.
My friends went to the same event in Wellington when K’s were there and did not know who they were until they ended up sitting with them. The conversation was interesting.
QFP.
You mean the ones who got banned for bad behavior?
Who are Shannon and Marcus in Exhibit J? Where the horses were headed?
I do not remember their full names. People made some guesses here. They are trainers that Lauren Kanarek was discussing taking her horses to.
So, I’m going to ask for those who know her….
Does Lauren Kanarek have a dragonfly tattoo behind her ear? I’ve seen something behind her ear on some pictures that have been posted…
@Omgitsme any idea?
CurrentlyHorseless:If it had not been tor the multiple, sloppy, unwritten agreements which led to the financial dispute, I think she would have been gone earlier and with less drama.
On that note - inquiring minds want to know why her father - who manages her financial and legal affairs and who is an ATTORNEY for God’s sake - didn’t ensure there were well-crafted contracts in place? If for no other reason than to try to make sure his impetuous (and tempestuous) daughter wasn’t getting in over her head?
One would think an ATTORNEY would have made more effort to safeguard the interests of his daughter, ESP. when he (apparently) has some sort of guardianship/stewardship over her financially.
It was a fault on both parties that they had multiple, sloppy, unwritten agreements. It ended in tragedy for both sides.
I’ve followed this since the beginning. I’d recognize LK and RG only because I met them before. I haven’t a clue what any of the others look like.