Michael Barisone/Lauren Kanarek Civil Suit

[DownYonder]

@trubandloki

@Sdel

I mean, one can not fault the jury, they can only work with the information given to them, but the travesty will be just how much was kept from them….

If I was a juror for that trial, and I was now finding out all the stuff that the judge did not let me know, I would be really annoyed and upset with our justice system.

Agreed. And If I was a resident of that jurisdiction, I would be shocked, dismayed, disgusted at the half-assed job the PD did regarding the crime scene investigation. I mean, this was NJ in 2019 - not Mayberry RFD in the early 1960’s!

[Omgitsme]

Let me search through my old pictures and see if I see anything. I don’t recall seeing it but it’s certainly possible.

Before anyone says having photos of her is creepy, they are pictures of her riding when she had the same trainer as me. I always took pictures so I could send them to the person riding. Which I did. They’re in my old Facebook messages, not saved to my phone.

Edit: apparently I took a jumping video in slow motion and the sounds are hilarious.

[OntheFnce]

@eggbutt

That really is such a thing isn’t it??!!

Yep. Last cold snap saw a few on the ground. They come back as the day warms up.

[eggbutt]

I recall a tattoo behind her ear but I can’t recall what it was. She always had her hair down or had a helmet on, even when not mounted.

[eggbutt]

I suspect you would only recognize RG at this time.

[Omgitsme]

Yep, all my pictures are her in a helmet so I have no idea what is or isn’t there lol

[DownYonder]

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@DownYonder

@CurrentlyHorseless

If it had not been tor the multiple, sloppy, unwritten agreements which led to the financial dispute, I think she would have been gone earlier and with less drama.
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On that note - inquiring minds want to know why her father - who manages her financial and legal affairs and who is an ATTORNEY for God’s sake - didn’t ensure there were well-crafted contracts in place? If for no other reason than to try to make sure his impetuous (and tempestuous) daughter wasn’t getting in over her head?

One would think an ATTORNEY would have made more effort to safeguard the interests of his daughter, ESP. when he (apparently) has some sort of guardianship/stewardship over her financially.

It was a fault on both parties that they had multiple, sloppy, unwritten agreements. It ended in tragedy for both sides.

Agree that it ended in tragedy for both sides - which the Kklan decided to compound by filing their lawsuit that they are now not cooperating in.

And there has been previous speculation to why MB didn’t secure contracts with her. There may have been existing contracts from when they were in FL and he erroneously assumed they carried over. He may have tried to get her to sign contracts but she and Daddy decided to play their game of Dodge-Deflect-Deny-Deceive, so no contracts were signed. And we all know what happened when MB tried to get her to sign a contract in Aug 2019 - she had a total meltdown. It was as though the expectation of accountability released the Kraken.

[DownYonder]

@Ambitious_Kate

I suspect her attorneys feel the same way. At least as far as the panic part goes.

And maybe why BN no longer represents her?

[Ambitious_Kate]

@DownYonder

On that note - inquiring minds want to know why her father - who manages her financial and legal affairs and who is an ATTORNEY for God’s sake - didn’t ensure there were well-crafted contracts in place?

Have you read what he writes?

If he is the one who drafted those motions that both Nagle and now GAS have seen fit to send to a judge, I am in now way surprised that Lauren was left without well-crafted documents.

[Dragonfly90]

I am agreeing with eggbutt that most dressage people do not know who they are. My friends knew of the shooting, but didn’t initially connect the people that sat down at the table with it. And my friends were there because they paid to go in there, which I guess anyone can do.

[Omgitsme]

None of my old pictures and videos show what it could be. Didn’t consider she’s wearing a helmet and wouldn’t be able to see there.

[hut-ho78]

@omare

As I noted, I think this is a very complex issue. There is a lot of case law/discussion on “privity” (how broad is “privity” applied?) and collateral estoppel and nonparty and NJ case law. As to authority specifically applicable to “this type of case”-- I don’t think there is any case on point out for this type of case (we can agree this case is complex and unique?) .

That is why I think there will be more briefing. Is SGF in privity with MB? I don’t know. It is a hurdle to argue the connections for sure or maybe not! I don’t know if that is even the starting point. (How often does that happen-where one is not even starting at the right place… I now realize nonmutual CE is not the starting place-privity seems to be?) We don’t even know what the many aspects of the relationship is between MB and SGF and if any of it is relevant to collateral estoppel. The other principle, offensive non-mutual collateral estoppel again will depend on the jurisdiction (does NJ even apply it?) and facts unique to that case.(Admittedly it is a harder concept for me to get my head around…and when it applies, what jurisdictions apply it, and how it differs from nonparty privity?)

And often it seems it is how broadly the court wants to apply or restrict the use of collateral estoppel as it is an equitable principle.(Hence very fact dependent.) The court might end up wherever with a clear cut decision that makes one say-oh of course I see now, that is obvious-how stupid of me (and i mean me.) But I just think it will require more briefing.

The facts matter. An example of where one might not expect to end up on a CE issue and not on point here. One can find much case law/articles where an insurance company of a party found guilty of an offense apply CE against victim based on criminal trial outcome, so victim can not relitigate “intent” and company need not pay out.(Cruel irony, victim stands in shoes of party/perpetrator I think due to contract but don’t test me on that). Who would have thought that outcome? Sure does not seem fair to the victim, but it is a successful strategy depending on the facts unique to that case.

Anyway, these I think are interesting legal principles that will be applied to the unique facts of this case (and not to trivialize the whole extremely tragic events.) So in advance, you are right I maybe clearly wrong about the application of CE, but I do think it will require more briefing. It is a complex issue and I don’t think it is addressed and slam dunk settled in a one /two line footnote.

Thanks for your patience.

Thank you.

[Omgitsme]

And I was agreeing with you.

[DownYonder]

@Ambitious_Kate

@DownYonder

On that note - inquiring minds want to know why her father - who manages her financial and legal affairs and who is an ATTORNEY for God’s sake - didn’t ensure there were well-crafted contracts in place?

Have you read what he writes?

If he is the one who drafted those motions that both Nagle and now GAS have seen fit to send to a judge, I am in now way surprised that Lauren was left without well-crafted documents.

Ha-ha, good point!

[MHM]

@Dragonfly90

I am agreeing with eggbutt that most dressage people do not know who they are. My friends knew of the shooting, but didn’t initially connect the people that sat down at the table with it. And my friends were there because they paid to go in there, which I guess anyone can do.

Did the tables have assigned seats? Or was it just random seating?

[hut-ho78]

@Sdel

So, I’m going to ask for those who know her….

Does Lauren Kanarek have a dragonfly tattoo behind her ear? I’ve seen something behind her ear on some pictures that have been posted…

@Omgitsme any idea?

Oh for Pete’s sake. Enough with the imaginary doxxing. Doxxing is bad for whoever it targets. The only safe thing about it around here is how bad horse people are at it. I include the ones here doxxed on other SM. Going by the guesses about my identity, no one is who anyone says they are.

[Joanne]

@dotneko

Who are Shannon and Marcus in Exhibit J

Google this: Shannon marcus dressage new jersey

[eggbutt]

??? You’ve lost me! How is asking about Lauren’s tattoo attempting to dox anyone?

[Dragonfly90]

So I was 2000 miles away but I know my friends before they went were debating whether to spend the extra money to go into this area. And they decided to go for it. I have been to shows there but just sat in the stands. I am assuming you just find a seat(maybe you can pay extra to get prime seating?) Any way they were joined by the K, as my friend said to me later, you know “the crazy lady that got shot.”

[Sdel]

Thanks for looking. I’m just being a bit nosey because it’s been bugging me……