Michael Barisone/Lauren Kanarek Civil Suit

[MHM]

@Ambitious_Kate

How do you sponsor a class?

The most direct route would just be to contact the show manager. If there is a horse show manager who will turn away sponsor money, I’ve never met such a person. When I’ve done it in the past, I was able to pick the awards I wanted to sponsor.

[Laurierace]

I meant to post this back when you were talking about a meet up in Welly world but didn’t get it done and now there are half a billion more posts so I am not even going to try to find it. I am currently enjoying my first full winter here and wanted to offer to host if a meet up ever does materialize. Come visit our slice of heaven!

[MHM]

@Knights_Mom

I know people have money, and some people have A LOT of money but I don’t know if I were enormously wealthy if I’d sponsor a one night event for $50,000.

If it has a charitable aspect, it might be tax deductible.

[arktos19]

@MHM

I don’t know if he still does it, but I believe Tommy Lee Jones used to play polo quite a bit. I think he had a pretty good sized farm in Wellington as well.

I played polo in college and worked for an older alum for my school for a few years after…. I remember him recounting a Tommy Lee Jones story about TLJ at a polo clinic where every time he had something to say he prefaced it with “I’m Tommy Lee Jones and I’m a polo player”

[MHM]

@arktos19

@MHM

I don’t know if he still does it, but I believe Tommy Lee Jones used to play polo quite a bit. I think he had a pretty good sized farm in Wellington as well.

I played polo in college and worked for an older alum for my school for a few years after…. I remember him recounting a Tommy Lee Jones story about TLJ at a polo clinic where every time he had something to say he prefaced it with “I’m Tommy Lee Jones and I’m a polo player”

Well, saying he was an Oscar winner probably would not do him much good in that situation. Lol.

[erinmeri]

@DreadPirateRoberts

I couldn’t get through all of the pedantic and inflammatory posts since my last visit, so I’m going to pause a moment and take stock.

To boost the image of a drug addict with a record of violent behavior, who recounts with mirth how they’ve tormented strangers, mourning parents, and even their own mentors, who has never mustered enough energy or dedication to be particularly high-achieving in a hobby where they have significant time and resource advantages (let alone to build a respectable career), who has no ethical qualms about momentous lies or false reports of child abuse, and who sends their mommy and daddy out on the internet to fight their battles, the Kanawrecks and affiliated parties have denigrated and taunted (among others):

• middle-aged women who participate in online forums (with the exception of one particular middle-aged woman whose prolific social media posts include manifestos, thinly veiled threats of violent and/or legal actions, and bullying young strangers)
• parents whose children haven’t instigated violent conflicts
• legal professionals who play crucial roles in the justice system
• anyone who works to support themself in the low-paying jobs that make up a majority of the labor force
• survivors of rape
• survivors of cancer

If I log in tomorrow and find videos of this family drop-kicking puppies I wouldn’t bat an eye, at this point.

Now, it’s one thing for parents, with all their human flaws, to lash out blindly when they feel their offspring are threatened. But one hilarious facet of these discussions is the insistence of some of the most patently antisocial posters that they have no connection to that family or the aforementioned addict. Their presence, persistence, and participation in punching down is not particularly effective evidence that reasonable people can disagree about the key points of this legal case; instead it only makes it clear that the deeply flawed plaintiff in this case is not quite as unique as some of us might hope.

What does this have to do with the civil case? If, for funsies, we assume that this thread is a microcosm of the broader world (it is not, as any farm boy can tell you, but let’s entertain the assumption), we can use the representation of viewpoints here to make some inferences about what a jury might look like. The number of posters who display the sort of character and intellect here that make them sympathetic to LaLa can be counted on one hand. With the participant count at 125 unique log-ins, that’s 4%. If there are 6 jurors empaneled for a New Jersey civil trial, then we could estimate the likelihood of even one LaLa-loving juror as 1-(1-0.04)^6, or about 22%. If you exclude parents from the count, that drops below a 14% chance of one juror being nutty enough to eat out of LaLa’s hand. And if you consider that this thread is a non-representative sample in which LaLa sympathies are likely to be overrepresented and antipathy to ‘horse girl’ stereotypes is likely to be underrepresented, I’m guessing the real likelihood of a single juror finding her anything but vile, unreliable, and a significant contributor to her own misfortune is a single digit percentage.

Which is a tiny bit of comfort when we are forced to confront the fact that among us are people who feel no remorse about using the misfortunes that have befallen others through no fault of their own as ammunition in petty attacks.

I bow down. This is epic… and so true.

[eggbutt]

I don’t want to think about how much the Duttas spend on sponsorship plus equine air donations!

[erinmeri]

@Joanne

I LOVE my Hollon Black Hawk gun safe.

To this leftist, that is an odd statement at first glance, but I have to admit that I love how big it is and how much fits inside it. As someone who has no plans to own firearms, and even if I did they would be there to dispatch of mortally wounded, agonized animals, I kinda want one.

As someone whose own fireproof safe is both abysmally small and easily transported, I can see how a large, unwieldy safe that is both fireproof and not easily stolen would be ideal. Who knew that such a possession and one’s chosen use of said possession would be such a topic of conversation!

[hut-ho78]

@erinmeri

@DreadPirateRoberts

I couldn’t get through all of the pedantic and inflammatory posts since my last visit, so I’m going to pause a moment and take stock.

To boost the image of a drug addict with a record of violent behavior, who recounts with mirth how they’ve tormented strangers, mourning parents, and even their own mentors, who has never mustered enough energy or dedication to be particularly high-achieving in a hobby where they have significant time and resource advantages (let alone to build a respectable career), who has no ethical qualms about momentous lies or false reports of child abuse, and who sends their mommy and daddy out on the internet to fight their battles, the Kanawrecks and affiliated parties have denigrated and taunted (among others):

• middle-aged women who participate in online forums (with the exception of one particular middle-aged woman whose prolific social media posts include manifestos, thinly veiled threats of violent and/or legal actions, and bullying young strangers)
• parents whose children haven’t instigated violent conflicts
• legal professionals who play crucial roles in the justice system
• anyone who works to support themself in the low-paying jobs that make up a majority of the labor force
• survivors of rape
• survivors of cancer

If I log in tomorrow and find videos of this family drop-kicking puppies I wouldn’t bat an eye, at this point.

Now, it’s one thing for parents, with all their human flaws, to lash out blindly when they feel their offspring are threatened. But one hilarious facet of these discussions is the insistence of some of the most patently antisocial posters that they have no connection to that family or the aforementioned addict. Their presence, persistence, and participation in punching down is not particularly effective evidence that reasonable people can disagree about the key points of this legal case; instead it only makes it clear that the deeply flawed plaintiff in this case is not quite as unique as some of us might hope.

What does this have to do with the civil case? If, for funsies, we assume that this thread is a microcosm of the broader world (it is not, as any farm boy can tell you, but let’s entertain the assumption), we can use the representation of viewpoints here to make some inferences about what a jury might look like. The number of posters who display the sort of character and intellect here that make them sympathetic to LaLa can be counted on one hand. With the participant count at 125 unique log-ins, that’s 4%. If there are 6 jurors empaneled for a New Jersey civil trial, then we could estimate the likelihood of even one LaLa-loving juror as 1-(1-0.04)^6, or about 22%. If you exclude parents from the count, that drops below a 14% chance of one juror being nutty enough to eat out of LaLa’s hand. And if you consider that this thread is a non-representative sample in which LaLa sympathies are likely to be overrepresented and antipathy to ‘horse girl’ stereotypes is likely to be underrepresented, I’m guessing the real likelihood of a single juror finding her anything but vile, unreliable, and a significant contributor to her own misfortune is a single digit percentage.

Which is a tiny bit of comfort when we are forced to confront the fact that among us are people who feel no remorse about using the misfortunes that have befallen others through no fault of their own as ammunition in petty attacks.

I bow down. This is epic… and so true.

Thank you for explaining why you went after me when I shared personal stuff.

[Knights_Mom]

But why are gun safes always black with the brand name blazed across the front in giant letters?

[erinmeri]

My not for guns fireproof safe is also black with a logo emblazoned.

[trubandloki]

@Knights_Mom

But why are gun safes always black with the brand name blazed across the front in giant letters?

I believe mine is green.

Edit to add - Yep. Just went and looked at it. Dark green with gold detailing and yes it has the brand name on the front door.

Edit to add 2 - I think most safe manufacturers have their color…

[BatCoach]

@hut-ho78

@hut-ho78

Neither is a mastectomy from a gun shot.

No. The difference is a mastectomy is removing tissue under surgical procedures. The bullet would go through clothes, skin, implant, bone and cartilage, lung, then exiting the back. On its way in, it brings material from the shirt, the skin, the implant, the bone and cartilage, contaminating the body cavity and the lung and violently driving material through the remainder of the breast. Any implant can leak and surgeons try to get all of the leakage. However, silicon from either the bag around the saline or a silicon implant itself will be driven throughout as well. Remember the class action for leaking silicon implants?

Here you go y’all. A google find. https://www.enjuris.com/blog/news/breast-implant-lawsuits/

No one is arguing that implants rupture or need replacement. The argument that you seem to be missing is that replacing or even doing an explant surgery is not the same as “removing a breast” as @Seeker1 doubles down on, even when VHM kindly asked for clarification.

BEHOLD! as certified internet Dr. Batcoach also knows how to share quotes & links that will illustrate how completely undocumented it is for a breast to be removed due to a gunshot wound:

from https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9949879/ (LINK CONTAINS NSFW IMAGES)
" Q4: What are the considerations for reconstructing a breast after a gunshot wound?

After a complete trauma evaluation and patient stabilization, management of the breast implant after a gunshot wound should first involve implant removal. The breast pocket should be debrided of any devitalized tissue and irrigated thoroughly. Inspection of the surrounding chest wall is necessary and may require further intervention or reconstruction. Replacement of the implant may be delayed to ensure resolution of any possible infection,7 although one case reported replacement of the implant during the initial operation without development of infection.9 The patient may decline replacement of the implant and may require removal of the contralateral implant to restore breast symmetry. Capsulectomy may be necessary at the time of implant replacement to ensure proper positioning of the implant within the breast pocket. Follow-up should include monitoring for signs of infection, adequate wound healing, and symmetric breast volume and inframammary folds.

In this case, the patient’s implant was removed, and the breast pocket was debrided and irrigated. Additionally, the fractured ribs were debrided, and the soft tissue defect present on the chest wall was reconstructed using an absorbable mesh. A conservative approach was taken to allow time for the patient to recover from her injury and for the right breast pocket to heal with no infection before performing a capsulectomy and implant replacement. However, as previously noted, reconstruction during the initial operation may have been possible."

so in this medical article, only a capsulectomy (removing scar tissue caused by the initial implant placement might required. VERY different than “removing the whole breast” as KK claimed.

And from https://www.iflscience.com/woman-saved-from-gunshot-wound-by-her-silicone-breast-implants-5577

“Interestingly, despite the millions of women with breast implants and the thousands of women affected by gun violence worldwide, ruptured implants after firearm injury is a rarely reported phenomenon in the literature, with only several case reports having been described previously.”

So @hut-ho78 must have a deep google MD library to have access to the very few reports of how people with implants fare post gunshot . Kudos to her.

Internet Dr. Batcoach hangs up her faux stethoscope and sees herself out.

[Joanne]

@erinmeri

To this leftist, that is an odd statement at first glance, but I have to admit that I love how big it is and how much fits inside it. As someone who has no plans to own firearms, and even if I did they would be there to dispatch of mortally wounded, agonized animals, I kinda want one.

As someone whose own fireproof safe is both abysmally small and easily transported, I can see how a large, unwieldy safe that is both fireproof and not easily stolen would be ideal. Who knew that such a possession and one’s chosen use of said possession would be such a topic of conversation!

I had originally bought a small safe. Then I saw how pittifully small it was once it was here. Larry, the guy who delivered it, talked to me about getting a larger safe which would better meet my needs. The price wasn’t too much more. In addition, I was able to transfer stuff from my safe deposit box and now I don’t have to worry about the rental fees going up every year.

Black Hawk Gun Safe

[eggbutt]

Murdaugh verdict in after 2 hour deliberation -GUILTY on all charges!!!

[Joanne]

@eggbutt

Murdaugh verdict in after 2 hour deliberation -GUILTY on all charges!!!

Wow! I figured it would be at least a couple of days.

[erinmeri]

@eggbutt

Murdaugh verdict in after 2 hour deliberation -GUILTY on all charges!!!

Cool! So if you lie and obfuscate, it catches up with you? Good to know!!

[erinmeri]

@eggbutt

Murdaugh verdict in after 2 hour deliberation -GUILTY on all charges!!!

Also? My jury deliberated for far longer. Must have been pretty clear.

[Knights_Mom]

They probably all voted guilty in 15 minutes but waited 2 hours for appearances.

[eggbutt]

This is what happens when law enforcement actually does a good job collecting forensic evidence and not taking the word of the “prominent” person involved.