Michael Barisone/Lauren Kanarek Civil Suit

[Graymaresrule]

@eggbutt

She can’t afford a top AQHA Western Pleasure horse and the annual outfits to compete. Of course the shuffle along trot and lope would be her speed.

And her stiff seat would not be as obvious

[IdahoRider]

@Seeker1

Does it really matter? She had two same size breasts now she has one because Michael shot her. The exact amount of actual breast tissue that was removed is not relevant is it unless you just want to split hairs.

Yes, I think it does matter. They are two very different things. And stretching the truth becomes relevant if left unchecked. Stretching becomes outright lying and that is a very horrible, bad thing that causes untold heartache.
Sheilah

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@ekat

@jaj

Also, and I am not remembering this clearly, wasn’t this at the time that the police were called because two of the children said that RG was threatening them. There was a lot of anxiety around RG’s continued presence at that time.

Yep, that was August 1st. Just two days before Robert Goodwin was doing internet searches for MHG’s kids’ location(s) on his phone

Wow.

This precise aspect of the timeline is REALLY important as well.

Honestly… If this thing ever goes to trial, MBs team should focus very narrowly on the timeline with respect to every single one of LK and RG’s actions related to MHG’s kids. Just take that particular piece of this whole story out, and examine it in isolation, step by step, in the days leading up to LKs shooting.

Also, make sure to note that RG… the person doing much of the cyberstalking of the children, was an active drug user at the time, and had multiple arrests for assault.

I think if they lay all of that out there in a focused way, a lot of the general public wouldn’t care whether or not MB actually did or didn’t shoot LK, they wouldn’t care whether or not he was insane at the time of the shooting, they wouldn’t care whether or not the shooting was part of a self defense situation…

I think a lot of people would find that LK and RG (who was clearly acting at LK’s behest) were at least 51% responsible for this whole situation.

And if that’s the case? Game over.

A lot of people would hear about this

[LiberalSnowflake]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

If LK and RG were sending MHG’s kids friend requests, and “liking” the kid’s online posts…

Then the kids (and by extension MHG and MB) would have known that LK and RG were cyberstalking them.

My experience is that it is NOT normal or acceptable for an adult who has a significant ongoing conflict with the parents of a minor to try and go around that parent, and befriend the minor themselves on social media. Absolutely not OK behavior.

Sending friend requests and liking posts is not necessarily cyberstalking. It would depend on the circumstances.

MHG would have known about any friend requests to the kids if she had been monitoring their SM accounts.

I skim over your wordy, oft repeated posts, and don’t really ever respond to your deliberate attempts to get the attention you crave, but really, you love take it one step too far. Just stop.

[Omgitsme]

I rewatched his testimony and I didn’t actually catch him saying that MB told him that. If I’m incorrect in that I can watch again. If I can figure out which clip it is.

[MHM]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

A lot of people would hear about this

It is interesting the way that the whole true crime thing has become such a big deal in the last few years, and how some cases attract so much attention.

It seems like this could be one of those that would make a very big splash, especially once all the details come about manipulating the whole Safe Sport system and trying to track down the kids and approach them through their social media accounts.

Who does that??

[cutter99]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

@ekat

@jaj

Also, and I am not remembering this clearly, wasn’t this at the time that the police were called because two of the children said that RG was threatening them. There was a lot of anxiety around RG’s continued presence at that time.

Yep, that was August 1st. Just two days before Robert Goodwin was doing internet searches for MHG’s kids’ location(s) on his phone

Wow.

This precise aspect of the timeline is REALLY important as well.

Honestly… If this thing ever goes to trial, MBs team should focus very narrowly on the timeline with respect to every single one of LK and RG’s actions related to MHG’s kids. Just take that particular piece of this whole story out, and examine it in isolation, step by step, in the days leading up to LKs shooting.

Also, make sure to note that RG… the person doing much of the cyberstalking of the children, was an active drug user at the time, and had multiple arrests for assault.

I think if they lay all of that out there in a focused way, a lot of the general public wouldn’t care whether or not MB actually did or didn’t shoot LK, they wouldn’t care whether or not he was insane at the time of the shooting, they wouldn’t care whether or not the shooting was part of a self defense situation…

I think a lot of people would find that LK and RG (who was clearly acting at LK’s behest) were at least 51% responsible for this whole situation.

And if that’s the case? Game over.

A lot of people would hear about this

Couple this with LK and/ or RG’s internet search for exploding bullets!

[MHM]

@eggbutt

How truly ironic that it was a video that put the nail in Murdough’s coffin. If only that pesky video RG told Heymer he had would surface somewhere.

And that video came out years after the fact, right? So maybe there’s still hope that RG’s video will turn up.

[eggbutt]

There were some amazing rides last night at AGDF. I wonder if the Kanareks coughed up the big bucks to enter the tent or if they had enough of the cold shoulder last weekend?

Too bad LK’s health won’t allow her to fly to Omaha next month to watch the World Cup! /s

It occurs to me there are MANY BNTs in the California area. Maybe daddy can find her a new trainer there and they can have a fresh start on the West Coast!! Gonna cost big(ger) bucks though!

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@IdahoRider

@Seeker1

Does it really matter? She had two same size breasts now she has one because Michael shot her. The exact amount of actual breast tissue that was removed is not relevant is it unless you just want to split hairs.

Yes, I think it does matter. They are two very different things. And stretching the truth becomes relevant if left unchecked. Stretching becomes outright lying and that is a very horrible, bad thing that causes untold heartache.
Sheilah

I do believe @Seeker1 is a practicing Christian.

I am a Christian, though I do not practice my faith with an organized congregation at present. But… I do have some basic knowledge about the Bible.

Here are a few Bible verses about lying. Some food for thought.

Proverbs 12:22
Lying lips are an abomination to the Lord, but those who act faithfully are his delight.

Proverbs 19:9
A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who breathes out lies will perish.

Psalm 101:7
No one who practices deceit shall dwell in my house; no one who utters lies shall continue before my eyes.

Luke 8:17
For nothing is hidden that will not be made manifest, nor is anything secret that will not be known and come to light.

Leviticus 19:11
You shall not steal; you shall not deal falsely; you shall not lie to one another.

Proverbs 24:28
Be not a witness against your neighbor without cause, and do not deceive with your lips.

Proverbs 21:6
The getting of treasures by a lying tongue is a fleeting vapor and a snare of death.

Psalm 58:3
The wicked are estranged from the womb; they go astray from birth, speaking lies.

James 3:14
But if you have bitter jealousy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast and be false to the truth.

[eggbutt]

Thank you VHM! There are even more examples in the Torah (the family is Jewish I’m told with KK practicing Christianity). In fact, pick a religion and I guarantee we can find umpteen examples of how they have not lived their faith.

[cutter99]

@MHM

@eggbutt

How truly ironic that it was a video that put the nail in Murdough’s coffin. If only that pesky video RG told Heymer he had would surface somewhere.

And that video came out years after the fact, right? So maybe there’s still hope that RG’s video will turn up.

The prosecution found the video on Paul Murdough’s phone and held onto it to use in the trial. I don’t think the public knew about it before it was entered into evidence at the trial.

Just goes to show that the public does not know or see everything before a trial.

Wonder what else will come out about Lollypop and Company? And before her defenders start exclaiming about what could come out about Michael Barisone- if it existed it would already be out there!

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

Leviticus is part of the Torah, I believe. Hence my choice to include a passage from Leviticus

[MHM]

@cutter99

The prosecution found the video on Paul Murdough’s phone and held onto it to use in the trial. I don’t think the public knew about it before it was entered into evidence at the trial.

But he and his lawyers knew about it? If so, they must have been sweating bullets on that one.

Unless they thought it had been deleted without a trace.

[ohnoO]

I recall thinking that was strange, too, that she kept the rental in NC. Maybe she just didn’t want to bother moving her stuff and/or there was no room for it in NJ.

[eggbutt]

@MHM

But he and his lawyers knew about it? If so, they must have been sweating bullets on that one.

His lawyers were on the Dateline special last night and said they always knew it would be a problem and talked about it for months, calling it “The Big Lie”.

[eggbutt]

I think she would still be renting that house if the owner hadn’t put it on the market over a year ago.

[MHM]

@eggbutt

@MHM

But he and his lawyers knew about it? If so, they must have been sweating bullets on that one.

His lawyers were on the Dateline special last night and said they always knew it would be a problem and talked about it for months, calling it “The Big Lie”.

As I said, I did not follow that case at all. But I certainly hope his lawyers got paid up front.

[eggbutt]

Probably not. Both legal teams were made up of super lawyers. Alex’s head lawyer is a Senator!

[cutter99]

@MHM

@cutter99

The prosecution found the video on Paul Murdough’s phone and held onto it to use in the trial. I don’t think the public knew about it before it was entered into evidence at the trial.

But he and his lawyers knew about it? If so, they must have been sweating bullets on that one.

Unless they thought it had been deleted without a trace.

I don’t know if you would have to disclose something like this to the other side or not. Maybe our legal professionals here would know.

The defense may not have known about it at all since it was a video that Paul Murdough had taken of a dog in their kennel, and sent to a friend. I would assume that the police would have taken Paul’s phone as evidence, and it would have been in their possession only, and not handed over to the defense.