Michael Barisone/Lauren Kanarek Civil Suit

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@MHM

I don’t think anyone can even begin to guess what they had in mind.

Think of all the things they did that nobody would dream of until they happened.

Placing illegal bugs all over someone else’s property.

Sneaking around in a ninja outfit.

Calling the housing authority to come out over shoddy repair work- work done by RG, no less!

Getting the barn declared uninhabitable so everyone staying there had to sleep outside.

Making false claims to Safe Sport, resulting in an investigation by child protective services.

Texting each other about knocking out the generator/electricity on a barn full of horses.

Conspiring to drive someone off their rocker and off their own property.

With all that in mind, I don’t think there is any way to guess what they had in mind when they were searching for the location of those kids.

Per the lawsuit against the MCPO…

RG was searching online on 08/03/19 trying to figure out the physical location of these children, because they weren’t on property at that time.

Now that I understand LK and RG had taken a significant interest in the children PRIOR to this, and had been trying to engage with them on social media, etc etc…

This seems very predatory.

They could have just let go of whatever the heck they had in mind with respect to MHG’s kids. Kind of like how they could have just left MB’s property after it was clear things weren’t working out. Instead? They tried to track the kids down. Think about that…

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Knights_Mom

@Ambitious_Kate

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

He’s talking about getting criminal charges dismissed if LK were ever criminally charged for the recordings, KM. LK was never criminally charged.

Criminal charges are different from a civil suit.

Clerk 0 Lawyer 1

You are unequivocally wrong. I remember the exchange. It was before the criminal trial and IM was responding to my post about the illegality of the tapes/transcript of tapes.

Clerk 2 Lawyer 0 Sycophant 0

I think CH thought you didn’t understand, and needed to have it explained that JK was talking about getting criminal charges dismissed if LK were ever criminally charged for the recordings. Its as if she thought you couldn’t glean that from what JK said. She also helpfully added the tidbit that LK was never criminally charged! I didn’t know that, myself, until this moment! And, just in case any of us didn’t realize, she informed us that criminal charges are different from a civil suit. I don’t know why none of us knew this before, its so simple written out like she did. /s

I can’t stop shaking my head everytime she posts. What it must be like to be in her head? Its so odd. not /s

This had nothing to do with criminal charges against LK as a first point but rather the inadmissibility of the tapes for MBs criminal trial.

IM then added that LK would never be charged herself in response to my assertion that not only wouldn’t the tapes be admissible in MBs criminal trial but that LK could potentially be charged too.

He was wrong on both counts. LK most certainly could be charged no matter what the tapes said AND the alleged location of the recorder was bogus and would not exempt her from those charges.

What he wrote about being a one party consent state was wrong in its application. The one party consent DOES NOT include whosever locker the tape recorder was located in but rather which people were participating in the conversation being recorded. He tried to B.S. that application of law.

IM did not say LK would never be charged. He said if she were charged, a criminal defense attorney could get the charges dismissed in 5 minutes.

She has not been criminally charged, so his assertion that a defense attorney could get the charges dropped in 5 minutes has not been tested.

What did he state in that screenshot post that has been shown to be wrong that caused you to post “clerk 1 lawyer 0.”

Also, I prefer “non lawyer” to “sycophant”.

[DownYonder]

@ohnoO

@MHM

It’s still just horrifying to think what sort of plan they were brewing up for those kids at that point

Really! Do you think they had more than cyber stalking in mind? Maybe just scaring them enough to torment MHG and MB? I can’t imagine them showing up at the family reunion

My guess is that they were going to try to engage the kids in a seemingly innocuous conversation with them, lure them into divulging information such as where they are staying and/or revealing other info that casts MB or MHG in a bad light. They were then going to use that information to taunt/frighten MB and MHG.

“BTW, we drove past that little yellow house the other night. You know the one with the blue shutters. And we saw the light on in XXX’s bedroom. It has a nice sturdy trellis under it.”

That lets MB and MHG know that the K’s know where MHG kids are, and they know which bedroom is which, and they hint that the trellis underneath it is strong enough to support the weight of someone climbing up to the bedroom window.

(Yes, the description of the house is total conjecture on my part but it gives an idea of how the K’s could use that kind of knowledge to scare the bejesus out of MB and MHG.)

The other possibility is to twist an innocuous conversation or situation involving MB into something nefarious and then imply they will use it against MB/MHG. “Gee, XXX said MB made a comment the other day about breeding. I wonder if CPS will think it is appropriate for a grown man to be discussing sex when minors are present.”

[MHM]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

This seems very predatory.

They could have just let go of whatever the heck they had in mind with respect to MHG’s kids. Kind of like how they could have just left MB’s property after it was clear things weren’t working out. Instead? They tried to track the kids down. Think about that….

Yes.

Plus think how well their plan (whatever it was) turned out on August 7th.

Thank goodness they didn’t find those kids.

[LilRanger]

@MHM

I don’t think anyone can even begin to guess what they had in mind.

It wouldn’t surprise me to find out they didn’t have anything in particular planned, just gathering ammo, like a pack rat picking up anything that might be useful one day…

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

@Ambitious_Kate

Thing is, we all knew this, and those of us who were around when he posted it, remember the exchange. Why CH felt the need put out some kind of rewrite is inexplicable. I just can’t feature it, I guess I need to stop trying.

‘CH’ is really stressed. Another Krol hearing is coming up next week, and Lollypop’s deposition is looming. Lollypop is going to be grilled in the deposition. Clearly she and her lawyer are dreading it and she’s desperately squirming to avoid having to answer any questions about all the insanity she pulled that preceded her shooting.

I fully expect ‘CH’ to keep on making noise for the next week. For sure.

For whatever reason, ‘CH’ seems to feel more in control if she rants at us on COTH.

Freaking insane. But she is who she is.

It is the job of LKs lawyer to attempt to shut down any parts of the defense that he can. Of course he will try to shut down the claim that LK is at fault for provoking MB.

I interpret Stones attempting to limit the deposition as primarily a move to shut down that avenue of defense, and not primarily to make LK more comfortable during the deposition.

[LilRanger]

I agree, GAS is just doing his job.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

Do you think it will work?

[MHM]

@LilRanger

@MHM

I don’t think anyone can even begin to guess what they had in mind.

It wouldn’t surprise me to find out they didn’t have anything in particular planned, just gathering ammo, like a pack rat picking up anything that might be useful one day…

Maybe. But they seemed to have advanced to the point of direct action by that stage.

I don’t even remember half of it, but someone compiled a detailed list of all their actions that took place in just one day on August 6th. And it was incredible to see it all laid out in black and white.

So who knows what else they had in mind by that point?

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

@MHM

I don’t think anyone can even begin to guess what they had in mind.

Think of all the things they did that nobody would dream of until they happened.

Placing illegal bugs all over someone else’s property.

Sneaking around in a ninja outfit.

Calling the housing authority to come out over shoddy repair work- work done by RG, no less!

Getting the barn declared uninhabitable so everyone staying there had to sleep outside.

Making false claims to Safe Sport, resulting in an investigation by child protective services.

Texting each other about knocking out the generator/electricity on a barn full of horses.

Conspiring to drive someone off their rocker and off their own property.

With all that in mind, I don’t think there is any way to guess what they had in mind when they were searching for the location of those kids.

Per the lawsuit against the MCPO…

RG was searching online on 08/03/19 trying to figure out the physical location of these children, because they weren’t on property at that time.

Now that I understand LK and RG had taken a significant interest in the children PRIOR to this, and had been trying to engage with them on social media, etc etc…

This seems very predatory.

They could have just let go of whatever the heck they had in mind with respect to MHG’s kids. Kind of like how they could have just left MB’s property after it was clear things weren’t working out. Instead? They tried to track the kids down. Think about that…

First, a lot of the stuff in the Deininger lawsuit against the police is “upon information and belief”. I don’t necessarily believe it to be true.

On the “friending” of MHGs children, if it happened, when is it supposed to have have happened? If it happened, and happened when tensions were high — after July 1 2019, I agree it’s way out of bounds.

On the other hand, if it happened in summer 2018 when everyone was getting along, it could have been benign.

[eggbutt]

CH, HH, and Seeker1 are so comical and entertaining. Almost as enjoyable as the baby hamsters but definitely not as enjoyable as watching Boyd on a loop!

[Sdel]

@MHM

Maybe. But they seemed to have advanced to the point of direct action by that stage.

I do believe one of the suits claims there was a plan being enacted, which included physical harm to Barisone and/or others on the farm.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@eggbutt

CH, HH, and Seeker1 are so comical and entertaining. Almost as enjoyable as the baby hamsters!

Is that why you took me off “ignore”, Eggbutt?

It’s so much earlier than “forever”.

I do enjoy your Eggbuttisms, and have agreed with them all.

[eggbutt]

[eggbutt]

I was just told “someone” thinks I took them off my ignore list! Bless their heart. They still don’t know how quoting posts works!

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

First, a lot of the stuff in the Deininger lawsuit against the police is “upon information and belief”. I don’t necessarily believe it to be true.

On the “friending” of MHGs children, if it happened, when is it supposed to have have happened? If it happened, and happened when tensions were high — after July 1 2019, I agree it’s way out of bounds.

On the other hand, if it happened in summer 2018 when everyone was getting along, it could have been benign.

Was RG actively using drugs in 2018?

He certainly had a multi page arrest record in two states at the time, involving charges for assault, drugs, and other things.

Do you think it’s appropriate for someone like that to send social media friend requests to 12 year olds that he’s not even related to, but only has passing contact with because of the barn his girlfriend rides at?

I don’t think there’s anything benign about that. I think it’s bizarre and creepy.

[MHM]

[Ghazzu]

@McGurk

I wonder if one of the reasons LK has refused to take the SS training and keep her membership active is that the the training covers in detail appropriate relationships with minor children? Like including a parent on all texts and electronic communication?

Sort of a psychological denial of how awful stalking MHG’s kids was? And setting up a “I didn’t know I wasn’t supposed to do that, I wasn’t current on the training.” defense?

Applying Occam’s Razor, I’d suspect it is merely inertia.

[Aurora58]

Every one of those things is horrifying on its own let alone altogether. This is not how a normal person would respond. A normal person would have left. A question that has been asked from the get go, why didn’t she just leave?

[eggbutt]

Oh no! You didn’t mention the dreaded Occam’s Razor! That will certainly send the K’s into a frenzy! They had a conniption fit when I first posted the term!