Michael Barisone/Lauren Kanarek Civil Suit

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@ohnoO

@CurrentlyHorseless

Taylor has to balance the rights of the NGRI acquittee against the safety of the public, just as he did in the trial itself.

Who do you think is in danger of MB? LK? Really? Do the K’s really think that or does that just play into “princess is a victim” narrative?

Well, he shot LK while delusional.

If he is released while still delusional, yes, LK could be in danger.

If he’s insane, delusional, how does one predict who he is going to harm, potentially?

[erinmeri]

@CurrentlyHorseless

So what if they do consider her “a horrible person and a predator” who provoked Barisone?

He is not justified in shooting her whether she’s angelic or a horrible person.

Since her alleged horribleness is not a justification for MB shooting her, Stone is attempting to limit the deposition to prevent further questions on her provocations, that is, the evidence of her alleged horribleness.That was the point of his filing.

Do you have me on ignore? Do you not understand that limiting discovery can be done only for reasons of form and privilege after an actual objection during the deposition?

Also, you have clearly also not read NJ Rules 3:19-2 and 4:74-7,

[Knights_Mom]

Has there ever been such a case as to cause lay people to learn, study and apply law to debate points of view for years - EVER?

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@erinmeri

@CurrentlyHorseless

So what if they do consider her “a horrible person and a predator” who provoked Barisone?

He is not justified in shooting her whether she’s angelic or a horrible person.

Since her alleged horribleness is not a justification for MB shooting her, Stone is attempting to limit the deposition to prevent further questions on her provocations, that is, the evidence of her alleged horribleness.That was the point of his filing.

Do you have me on ignore? Do you not understand that limiting discovery can be done only for reasons of form and privilege after an actual objection during the deposition?

Also, you have clearly also not read NJ Rules 3:19-2 and 4:74-7,

I do not have you on the forum “ignore” feature, but also don’t feel compelled to respond to you. Don’t be shocked if I ignore you the old fashioned way.

I’m not a lawyer, but I’m assuming Stone would not have filed his motion if it had zero chance of success. I also did not see either Deininger or Silver countering Stone’s motion with the argument you gave there.

I read the NJ rules that you posted. As I am not a lawyer, with even a Google U law degree, I’m assuming that Judge Taylor understands the rules and laws on people committed via NGRI better than you or I do.

But maybe you know better than Taylor, and the next appeal will succeed.

[smoofox]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@3PonyFarm

I think it was necessary to present a defense such as battered person syndrome correct? His current health status is not the public’s business.

Insanity defense. It was necessary to pursue his insanity defense.

It was not necessary for him to agree to televising the trial worldwide.

Whether he is still insane and dangerous is relevant for the safety of the public.

Ummm… legal experts help me here - does either “side” involved have the ability to block having the trial recorded?

Wouldn’t it also not be necessary for LK to agree to “televising the trial worldwide”? If anything, it just made her (and RG) look bad. Very bad. Impeached bad. Even 48 Hours could not make her look the way I am sure she intended to look… as a kind of beautiful, horse-whispery, wide-eyed equestrian ingenue who had tragedy thrust upon her completely out of the blue in an inexplicable and unfathomable way by the forces of evil.

Oops.

My bad - we are not supposed to discuss all that lest we be stapled with some vaporous “pleasure of hate” airy-fairy accusation as if it was an irrefutable fact proven by… well, nothing but straw men and wishful thinking. We could be lectured about how if we are not in agreement with the impeached witnesses mentioned above (and any and all of their confuzzled connections), that we are victim blaming/shaming/gaming/laming/whatever and wholeheartedly believe with every fiber of our being that LK deserved to be shot. Maybe there is an EIM militia arming themselves… with… Crumbl cookies and Pinot Grigio.

None of the above is true. Not in this or any other dimension.

Or maybe there will be yet another rusty carousel of NGRI-NJ-RC-MB-JH-MHG-IM-JK-S1-KK-LK-LLPR-RG-Krol etc. posts grinding and clanking in constant circles with tinny Benny Hill music sputtering out of the speakers…

Meh.

My inner Tim Minchin (minus the f-bombs) is trying to burst forth tonight… maybe if I hand him a glass of wine he will recede.

[hut-ho78]

@eggbutt

@hut-ho78

@Jealoushe

I can’t understand the weight placed on youtube comments in this thread. Cracks me up.

Their own comments. Different alter.

What? Explain your post.

Why else would people be posting them here if they were not so very very proud of what they wrote there?

[erinmeri]

@CurrentlyHorseless

I do not have you on the forum “ignore” feature, but also don’t feel compelled to respond to you

So when I have offered you actual legal statutes, that hasn’t compelled you to respond? Weird.

[BigMama1]

@CurrentlyHorseless

Well, the mob narrative is that JK wrote Stones latest filing.

Bizarre

Not remotely bizarre. Underlings write filings all the time. And as JK is something of a lawyer, he probably feels quite qualified to do so, plus it would save him hundreds of dollars in billable hours. It does seem money is a primary concern for JK so it makes sense he would try and economize.

[ekat]

@CurrentlyHorseless

I also did not see either Deininger or Silver countering Stone’s motion with the argument you gave there.

Mr Silver, who requested the deposition, did.

For reference, https://www.njcourts.gov/attorneys/rules-of-court/examination-and-cross-examination-record-examination-oath-objections

[BigMama1]

@CurrentlyHorseless

It doesn’t bother me if you speak to LO privately and then inadvertently leak a few tidbits here.

And yet you just claimed a few posts back that it does indeed ruffle your feathers. Pick a story and stick to it.

[smoofox]

@hut-ho78

@eggbutt

@hut-ho78

@Jealoushe

I can’t understand the weight placed on youtube comments in this thread. Cracks me up.

Their own comments. Different alter.

What? Explain your post.

Why else would people be posting them here if they were not so very very proud of what they wrote there?

When you hear hoofbeats coming around the corner, expect to see horses (regular YT posters) , not zebras (OMG!!! COTH posters over there posting with 10 different alters each! OMG!!!).

Maybe the screen shot was used just to demonstrate that other people not connected here on a much larger forum have similar opinions? And to show that KK is in the thick of it, stirring the pot - as was LK…

Nothing more than that.

Everything is not a conspiracy. I do not understand the need to constantly assign motives or agendas to people that do not exist.

[BatCoach]

@hut-ho78

Why else would people be posting them here if they were not so very very proud of what they wrote there?

oh girl, you are so very far behind. ask CH.

[Knights_Mom]

@hut-ho78

@eggbutt

@hut-ho78

@Jealoushe

I can’t understand the weight placed on youtube comments in this thread. Cracks me up.

Their own comments. Different alter.

What? Explain your post.

Why else would people be posting them here if they were not so very very proud of what they wrote there?

You are amazingly brazen to think your post is even remotely convincing.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@smoofox

@CurrentlyHorseless

@3PonyFarm

I think it was necessary to present a defense such as battered person syndrome correct? His current health status is not the public’s business.

Insanity defense. It was necessary to pursue his insanity defense.

It was not necessary for him to agree to televising the trial worldwide.

Whether he is still insane and dangerous is relevant for the safety of the public.

Ummm… legal experts help me here - does either “side” involved have the ability to block having the trial recorded?

Wouldn’t it also not be necessary for LK to agree to “televising the trial worldwide”? If anything, it just made her (and RG) look bad. Very bad. Impeached bad. Even 48 Hours could not make her look the way I am sure she intended to look… as a kind of beautiful, horse-whispery, wide-eyed equestrian ingenue who had tragedy thrust upon her completely out of the blue in an inexplicable and unfathomable way by the forces of evil.

Oops.

My bad - we are not supposed to discuss all that lest we be stapled with some vaporous “pleasure of hate” airy-fairy accusation as if it was an irrefutable fact proven by… well, nothing but straw men and wishful thinking. We could be lectured about how if we are not in agreement with the impeached witnesses mentioned above (and any and all of their confuzzled connections), that we are victim blaming/shaming/gaming/laming/whatever and wholeheartedly believe with every fiber of our being that LK deserved to be shot. Maybe there is an EIM militia arming themselves… with… Crumbl cookies and Pinot Grigio.

None of the above is true. Not in this or any other dimension.

Or maybe there will be yet another rusty carousel of NGRI-NJ-RC-MB-JH-MHG-IM-JK-S1-KK-LK-LLPR-RG-Krol etc. posts grinding and clanking in constant circles with tinny Benny Hill music sputtering out of the speakers…

Meh.

My inner Tim Minchin (minus the f-bombs) is trying to burst forth tonight… maybe if I hand him a glass of wine he will recede.

I believe Taylor obtained MBs consent as the defendant, to have the trial televised before Taylor ruled that TV cameras could cover the trial.

The defendant in a criminal trial has rights that are not necessarily afforded to other people such as witnesses.

I appreciate the legal experts such as Ekat and Einhorn who have contributed on various issues today.

[BigMama1]

@Pocket_Rocket

I’d be willing to wager my sweet bippy that there are NO “different alters” from CoTH posting on YT re: Kanarek.

Not so fast…we know for sure that COTH’s own LaLaPopRider and @Seeker1 were posting on YT under alters. Wouldn’t surprise me at all that @Inigo-montoya was as well.

[hut-ho78]

@Einhorn

@Ambitious_Kate

in fact, Taylor is federally liable for violating HIPAA

Taylor isn’t subject to HIPAA as he is not a covered entity nor is he a business associate. Greystone probably is, but there’s a carve out in HIPAA (i suspect you know this) that allows discloser to courts. Nothing I’ve read in the HIPAA prefects a court from discount that information. Local court rules and NJ code would do that, and apparently does. That will be what Taylor is violating.

Maybe a writ of mandamus is what is required.

If HIPAA doesn’t apply and the state law states that NGRI KROL hearings must be by camera except murder (and by default attempted murder-you don’t get credit if they live) then in this instance Judge Taylor is complying.

I don’t think he blew through the first 90 days and ignored that requirement, I think the court calendars were that overwhelmed by lack of funding and staffing and then add Covid with those delays and even more limited courts to meet Covid spacing. I think that was beyond his control.

[BigMama1]

@hut-ho78

Why else would people be posting them here if they were not so very very proud of what they wrote there?

Because the comments on YT, Law & Crime and 48 Hours refute your claim that the general opinion of COTHers is not reflected in the general public. Clearly a large portion of the non-horsey public who comment there feel exactly the same about the Kanareks and Judge Taylor as the majority of people here. Pay attention.

If you think the 20 or so regular posters in these threads have time to create hundreds of alters and posts on YouTube, I’ve got a bridge to sell you.

Is it really that hard for you to admit that the entire Kanarek family and Judge Taylor have really come out of this whole affair looking bad?

[erinmeri]

@CurrentlyHorseless

I believe Taylor obtained MBs consent as the defendant, to have the trial televised before Taylor ruled that TV cameras could cover the trial.

The defendant in a criminal trial has rights that are not necessarily afforded to other people such as witnesses.

I appreciate the legal experts such as Ekat and Einhorn who have contributed on various issues today.

So glad you appreciate the contributions of of legal professionals who you previously have denigrated. I also appreciate their contributions! Are you still ignoring the laws I cited?

[hut-ho78]

@Knights_Mom

@hut-ho78

@eggbutt

@hut-ho78

@Jealoushe

I can’t understand the weight placed on youtube comments in this thread. Cracks me up.

Their own comments. Different alter.

What? Explain your post.

Why else would people be posting them here if they were not so very very proud of what they wrote there?

You are amazingly brazen to think your post is even remotely convincing.

Amazingly brazen. Why thank you. How interesting. Much better than humorless scold.

[erinmeri]

@CurrentlyHorseless

I believe Taylor obtained MBs consent as the defendant, to have the trial televised before Taylor ruled that TV cameras could cover the trial.

The defendant in a criminal trial has rights that are not necessarily afforded to other people such as witnesses.

I appreciate the legal experts such as Ekat and Einhorn who have contributed on various issues today.

Cool. So, you still haven’t read the statutes? Understood.