Michael Barisone/Lauren Kanarek Civil Suit

[trubandloki]

@Sdel

@ekat

@Angela_Freda

When was mcpo given those tapes… before MB showed up at the police department asking to speak with a supervisor?

I’m still wondering if that was just what she was saying she was going to tell MHG, JH, etc…to intimidate them, and not an action she really took.

Well, someone out there knows the truth about that….and MDF did testify to Lauren Kanarek putting out at least one of her conversations as if she had been there…

I think you two are talking about two different points of the same general thing.

[ekat]

@trubandloki

I think you two are talking about two different points of the same general thing.

Yes, thank you. I agree there were recordings blasted on social media, based on Mary DeFranco’s testimony.

I am not convinced (yet) that LK actually gave said recordings to the police. I’m wondering if she was saying that she was going to bluff them by saying that.

[Maria]

This is such a tangled mess. It’s like puzzle pieces that are all the same color and same shape. It will be interesting to find out how this all went down. I don’t think it looks good for the K’s.

So bizarre

[Angela_Freda]

@Maria

This is such a tangled mess. It’s like puzzle pieces that are all the same color and same shape. It will be interesting to find out how this all went down. I don’t think it looks good for the K’s.

That’s it, no matter how the pieces finally fit, it doesn’t look good for the KKlan

[Maria]

I really hope that if this actually goes to trial that it is televised. I do so want to see Mr D and Mr S and hopefully Mr B weave this together.

Can you imagine being in their office with all this documentation laying all over the place…there must be repeated utterances of WTF and Who does this?

I wonder if the ABC stores close by have run out of Scotch and Bourbon?

[BigMama1]

@erinmeri

What I find interesting, and ludicrous, is that it appears it seems to be based on MB not riding the horses? And that one of them lost fitness because LK was a no-show and not riding him? Is that what others gleaned?

I think they were claiming that (a) the amount owed to Rob for his “work” exceeded what they were paying in training board, and (b) that at least one of the horses was losing condition due to inactivity. And the text is clarifying they can’t claim both that the horse was in full training yet also not being ridden.

Didn’t she post about suing MB before the shooting, and wasn’t the magical $150k number in her heard part of that fantasy?

[ekat]

@Maria

I really hope that if this actually goes to trial that it is televised. I do so want to see Mr D and Mr S and hopefully Mr B weave this together.

Can you imagine being in their office with all this documentation laying all over the place…there must be repeated utterances of WTF and Who does this?

I wonder if the ABC stores close by have run out of Scotch and Bourbon?

I would pay to see Mr B question her again in a different courtroom where he can really ask about her actions.

[erinmeri]

@cutter99

What was stopping her? She lived on the property and could not show up for lessons!

As someone who lives 55 minutes (on Sunday mornings at 6am) and up to 2 hours from my barn… THIS. If I could walk down a driveway and get on my horse, you’d have to physically restrain me from riding every day of the year. My main deterrent from riding is my commute.

[BigMama1]

Me too!

[erinmeri]

@BigMama1

I think they were claiming that (a) the amount owed to Rob for his “work” exceeded what they were paying in training board, and (b) that at least one of the horses was losing condition due to inactivity. And the text is clarifying they can’t claim both that the horse was in full training yet also not being ridden.

Didn’t she post about suing MB before the shooting, and wasn’t the magical $150k number in her heard part of that fantasy?

I agree, but it seems apparent that she was a no show and that her claim was responding to a claim that she didn’t show up. The inactivity was of her making. I have ridden with Olympians and I have been in full service barns. I have never been in a situation where I could just not show up and expect my horse to get exercise. It isn’t a reasonable expectation.

And yes, she did post before the shooting about a lawsuit. I cannot recall the details.

[Maria]

Me too

[Sdel]

@Angela_Freda

@Sdel

Yes. My head scratcher was why did she need someone else to ask through a lawyer what times MB was training her horse so she could go watch? She was, in theory, living on the farm, in the same house, and her horse was .25-.5 of a mile away, for the purposes of being able to be there at a moment’s notice/all day/ etc….

Just go to the barn and be present….

And she claims they took care of the one horse religiously, so were in the barn to see the schedule or ask someone.
I know, so pedestrian…

Right…they had to wrap the one horse’s legs. But that was in the evening. Training and riding of horses happened in the mornings and afternoons.

[erinmeri]

@Sdel

Right…they had to wrap the one horse’s legs. But that was in the evening. Training and riding of horses happened in the mornings and afternoons.

Isn’t it strange they had to wrap a horse in full training board?

ETA: In my experience, full training board comes with full service.

[Jenerationx]

@Paint_Party

I think they had a lawsuit planned before the shooting. From what I gather from the texts posted, LK was on the warpath because, among other things, she believed she wasn’t getting the training from MB she’d come to expect. LK wanted to make sure MB’s lawyer understood why they were suing MB… so perhaps he’d encourage MB to settle/pay out $$$.

(Is that right? Did I read the texts correctly? Or am I misinterpreting them?)

That’s what I got out of it. I also seem to recall LK ranting about how MB had received an insurance check and owed RG $50K but the posts specifying how much seem to have disappeared when LK went on her delete and deny trip once the threads were moved to the new board.

[Angela_Freda]

@Sdel

Right…they had to wrap the one horse’s legs. But that was in the evening.

It was twice daily wrapping and unwrapping, every twelve hours, for cellulitis, iirc.
They were fanatical that it couldn’t be done earlier than, I think 9?

While there to wrap/unwrap, you check the schedule or ask when your horse is supposed to get worked.

[Knights_Mom]

@Sdel

@Angela_Freda

@Sdel

Yes. My head scratcher was why did she need someone else to ask through a lawyer what times MB was training her horse so she could go watch? She was, in theory, living on the farm, in the same house, and her horse was .25-.5 of a mile away, for the purposes of being able to be there at a moment’s notice/all day/ etc….

Just go to the barn and be present….

And she claims they took care of the one horse religiously, so were in the barn to see the schedule or ask someone.
I know, so pedestrian…

Right…they had to wrap the one horse’s legs. But that was in the evening. Training and riding of horses happened in the mornings and afternoons.

Is it possible that was an excuse so they could justify being there late, being an intrusion and snooping?

[erinmeri]

@Angela_Freda

It was twice daily wrapping and unwrapping, every twelve hours, for cellulitis, iirc.
They were fanatical that it couldn’t be done earlier than, I think 9?

While there to wrap/unwrap, you check the schedule or ask when your horse is supposed to get worked.

You know what strikes me? Usually when you’re a pleasant client, you can get the Trainer/staff to help you out on additional services. Even when said services are onerous. When you are a jerk? Not so much…

[Graymaresrule]

@Angela_Freda

@Sdel

Right…they had to wrap the one horse’s legs. But that was in the evening.

It was twice daily wrapping and unwrapping, every twelve hours, for cellulitis, iirc.
They were fanatical that it couldn’t be done earlier than, I think 9?

While there to wrap/unwrap, you check the schedule or ask when your horse is supposed to get worked.

Wasn’t that horse semi retired?

[Ambitious_Kate]

@erinmeri

The fact she was planning a lawsuit isn’t news. She posted about it quite a few times, if my memory serves. And of course, as @ekat points out, there is the questions asked during the criminal trial.

What I find interesting, and ludicrous, is that it appears it seems to be based on MB not riding the horses? And that one of them lost fitness because LK was a no-show and not riding him? Is that what others gleaned?

1. I thought there were no written contracts, so wouldn’t it be a he said/she said, thus very difficult to prove a breach of contract occurred?
2. in my world, even when in full training board, you don’t get to no-show and expect your horse to be ridden. Schedules are set in advance, and by not showing up, you’re expecting those schedules to be changed during the workday, or even at the end of it. Does she seriously think her measly $5k (which we all know wouldn’t pay for full training board on two, much less 4-5 horses at any other show barn in the area, Olympian or not) means she gets to not show up and MB (or JH) has to hop on? Hilarious!!

That’s what I am reading. She was told her pattern of behavior was the problem with one of her horses’ fitness and she went scorched earth.

Oh, and then she decided to include others in frivolous litigation because she gleaned from her indisputably illegal recordings that they were involved in conversations about getting rid of her to “make them lawyer up” - thus not only implying she was planning ANOTHER LAWSUIT, but essentially planning to blackmail them. What a peach.

Anyways, carry on.

Now, I finally get what was going on. This was a poorly designed lawsuit based on feeling slighted that MB wasn’t riding her horses, when she didn’t show up and put any time on them herself, and trying to get the vet to say in court that her horses were in full training, which according to the vet, they weren’t, and actually he would say that she isn’t riding the horses, that’s why they lost muscle. So she’s looking for a reason to sue MB. And apparently MB’s attorney told them that training is still going on, and they think they should call MB on it and ask to come watch the training.

I don’t think LK and RG have the same concept of “training” as MB does. For example, wouldn’t a training ride on one of their horses be done by JT or an assistant or working student? If she had “training” with MB then wouldn’t it mean she would have an on-horse lesson?

I’m confused what they were expecting. I don’t think at this point MB was giving any more training to her, and had given up and teaching her or training her horses, mainly, in my personal take, because he wasn’t getting paid to do any training but that’s my guess.

I would think once you contact an attorney and I have to lawyer-up, I’m pretty much done with you and want you gone, I’m not training you any more, and besides you didn’t show up for your lessons, so what is it you want?

[Knights_Mom]

@Ambitious_Kate

so what is it you want?

Undivided and total doting attention coupled with praise and undeserved recognition.