Michael Barisone/Lauren Kanarek Civil Suit

[Knights_Mom]

@hut-ho78

@Knights_Mom

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@Knights_Mom

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@LiberalSnowflake

@ekat

I wonder how much money Lauren Kanarek and family would have to offer Michael Barisone, SGF, and Ruth Cox to settle and go away?

I don’t think the Kanarek family actually have enough money to settle for a man who’s well into his fourth year of incarceration/confinement, away from everything he holds dear.

No-one except the three (?) people who were present at the time of the shooting actually know what happened that day, one of whom was driven legally insane by the other two (and the Kanarek family).

We have since learned of the long term pre-planning by LK, RG and the Kanarek family to deliberately drive MB insane, because they documented and illegally recorded their efforts in the lead up to the shooting - and they have continued to publicly gloat and document.

In my opinion, their combined “wealth” doesn’t even touch the sides.

You forgot he shot her twice and she almost died (except RG stopped MB, LE showed up and started emergency life saving procedures, the EMTs came immediately, the medical facilities were close, her heart was restarted at least once, the thoracic surgeon was available) she lost about 50% of her blood, she has scars where her chest was opened, 12-18 inches from under her rib cage in the front around to the back and curving upwards, the length of her abdomen (where the length of the abdomen and the first attempt to open the chest gosh that is stem to stern), a collapsed lung, a destroyed breast implant and scarred breast from that surgery. I wonder what all I left out.

That all she had to do was leave and not engage in a plot to finish the bastard?

Yeah, as always, you forget this.

Should I add on all my posts “she should have left and he should not have shot her?” I repeat it so much, that and IANAL.

You left out she should never have engaged in a conspiracy to finish the bastard.

Let’s see what is the best quote.

“Ruin her chances to compete.”

“Scare her so she will beg to go-I’m very good at it, I’ve done it before” (also described by someone who left him earlier).

“He came to kill.” There is a book title right there.

Well how do you expect tortured, traumatized people to react? Send her flowers? Perhaps erect a statue in her honor? Or how about just handing her the keys to the facility!?

She had no standing to remain there. Everything she did was out of contempt and vindictiveness.

Classic move of these people who behave like this: Terrorize then scream they’re the ones being victimized

[Sdel]

You know…I really do wonder if some of these recordings were made directly from Michael’s phone. There are hidden apps that do such things.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Knights_Mom

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@Knights_Mom

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@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

The subpoenaed material would only aid MBs counterclaim - why would the Kanareks hand over material to aid MBs counterclaim if they have legal options to get the subpoenas quashed?

Very interesting for multiple reasons. And here folks is the crux of the case. So this evidence would bruise the Kanarek and THAT is why subpoenas are being violated.

Plaintiffs lawyer has filed a motion to quash the second round of subpoenas, as the previous lawyer successfully moved with respect to the first round of subpoenas.

A civil suit with counter suit is an adversarial process, and this is part of the normal legal process. Why would you expect either side to drop any legal protections they have available to them?

The subpoenaed parties filed NOTHING.

So?

So the judge may rule the motioning party has no standing to do so.

I get that your friends play slippery games in life and that you respect that but if I were you I’d prepare for their comeuppance. There’s always a price to pay.

On the first round of subpoenas, not only did Sceusi not rule that plaintiffs attorney had no standing to file the motion to quash, he granted the motion.

I’m guessing Stone is better informed than you on whether he can file motions to quash subpoenas issued to parties he does not officially represent.

Let’s see whether the judge rules that Stone has no standing to find the motion to quash.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

Do you think this judge will agree to allow this issue with LKs lawyer filing motions on their behalf again? I guess that’s possible…

Looks to me that the judge has already allowed it. The motion by Stone has been filed and motions in opposition have been filed by two of the defendants.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@eggbutt

Aren’t you the one preaching to others about not using Lauren’s alter name?

What? No.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Ambitious_Kate

And before you get all excited and post a response, Clueless, I’m not asking you.

Noted.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@LilRanger

@Ambitious_Kate

Also, if RC already settled with LK, then wouldn’t there be something in the filings indicating that she’s not a defendent in LK’s suit any more?

I think there was in SGFs filing that mentioned other defendants still being part of the liability equation even if they had settled.

In addition, SGF has a cross claim against RC.

[Ghazzu]

@eggbutt

How she supported herself prior to the lawsuits is more than likely irrelevant, right?

I would guess it is relevant only so far as whether and to what extent the shooting has rendered her unable to support herself in that fashion.

[MHM]

@Ghazzu

@eggbutt

How she supported herself prior to the lawsuits is more than likely irrelevant, right?

I would guess it is relevant only so far as whether and to what extent the shooting has rendered her unable to support herself in that fashion.

True.

I don’t know if how she supported herself 20 years previously would be very relevant, especially if it was a job that was somewhat limited by age related factors anyway.

[hut-ho78]

@OntheFnce

@hut-ho78

@Sdel

@hut-ho78

Should I add on all my posts “she should have left and he should not have shot her?” I repeat it so much, that and IANAL.

Yes. But you should just add “if she would have left then she wouldn’t have been shot.”

It would not have been physically possible for him to have shot her if she had left, so no need to say the bolded. Adding the bolded is evidence of cognitive dissonance.

Ah. Blame the victim again.

Did it ever occur to you that the victim is MB and the perpetrator is LK?

No.

[Ghazzu]

@MHM

I don’t know if how she supported herself 20 years previously would be very relevant, especially if it was a job that was somewhat limited by age related factors anyway.

Agreed.
I was thinking more short-term.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@BigMama1

@CurrentlyHorseless

Plaintiffs lawyer has filed a motion to quash the second round of subpoenas, as the previous lawyer successfully moved with respect to the first round of subpoenas.

But it wasn’t plaintiff who was subpoenaed. If the Kanareks wanted the subpoenas quashed, they needed to have their own lawyers file such a motion, within the required timeline. They did neither of those things. You can’t just have your daughter’s lawyer send an email weeks past the deadline and then say you responded. That’s not how it works. And as a sort of lawyer, JK should and does know this, so failing to respond appropriately isn’t an accident or oversight; it’s pure and simple contempt.

And yet Judge Sceusi approved the motion to quash and did not hold them in contempt on the first round.

But you’re telling me “That’s not how it works”? LOL

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@BigMama1

And even if they did, storing it safely in a locked gun safe with the other weapons rather takes away the danger aspect, doesn’t it?

Ironic? Delusional? A joke?

[hut-ho78]

@Knights_Mom

@hut-ho78

@Sdel

@hut-ho78

Should I add on all my posts “she should have left and he should not have shot her?” I repeat it so much, that and IANAL.

Yes. But you should just add “if she would have left then she wouldn’t have been shot.”

It would not have been physically possible for him to have shot her if she had left, so no need to say the bolded. Adding the bolded is evidence of cognitive dissonance.

Ah. Blame the victim again.

Yes. MB was victimized by LK before the shooting and you blame him for going into insanity. You even go so far as to blame a marriage that ended years prior.

Stressors. The settlement to the divorce happened in the middle of this. Money loss. Income loss (VK). Business manager loss (VK). He credited VK for making his training and clinics possible because she took care of everything else. Someday, MHG might have been able to fill those shoes but not yet. She did not contribute to income. It was all on MB. Even RC testified to that. 8-9 concussions. Child abuse. Per google, he is very wealthy though the lawyers are eating through that. Cash flow for bills on hand was the challenge. How many clients left with VK? He kept most of the horses but that was an expense. MHG’s horses were an expense.

He had staff, clients, horses, facilities, freeze damage. Stress. Stressors.

He had advice to evict LK from MHG and boarders and friends including a successful lawyer friend.

No, he is not a victim of LK. She gave him plenty of cause to take to a judge. Neither LK nor her family deserved for her to be shot.

[hut-ho78]

@Knights_Mom

@hut-ho78

@Knights_Mom

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@Knights_Mom

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@LiberalSnowflake

@ekat

I wonder how much money Lauren Kanarek and family would have to offer Michael Barisone, SGF, and Ruth Cox to settle and go away?

I don’t think the Kanarek family actually have enough money to settle for a man who’s well into his fourth year of incarceration/confinement, away from everything he holds dear.

No-one except the three (?) people who were present at the time of the shooting actually know what happened that day, one of whom was driven legally insane by the other two (and the Kanarek family).

We have since learned of the long term pre-planning by LK, RG and the Kanarek family to deliberately drive MB insane, because they documented and illegally recorded their efforts in the lead up to the shooting - and they have continued to publicly gloat and document.

In my opinion, their combined “wealth” doesn’t even touch the sides.

You forgot he shot her twice and she almost died (except RG stopped MB, LE showed up and started emergency life saving procedures, the EMTs came immediately, the medical facilities were close, her heart was restarted at least once, the thoracic surgeon was available) she lost about 50% of her blood, she has scars where her chest was opened, 12-18 inches from under her rib cage in the front around to the back and curving upwards, the length of her abdomen (where the length of the abdomen and the first attempt to open the chest gosh that is stem to stern), a collapsed lung, a destroyed breast implant and scarred breast from that surgery. I wonder what all I left out.

That all she had to do was leave and not engage in a plot to finish the bastard?

Yeah, as always, you forget this.

Should I add on all my posts “she should have left and he should not have shot her?” I repeat it so much, that and IANAL.

You left out she should never have engaged in a conspiracy to finish the bastard.

Let’s see what is the best quote.

“Ruin her chances to compete.”

“Scare her so she will beg to go-I’m very good at it, I’ve done it before” (also described by someone who left him earlier).

“He came to kill.” There is a book title right there.

Well how do you expect tortured, traumatized people to react? Send her flowers? Perhaps erect a statue in her honor? Or how about just handing her the keys to the facility!?

She had no standing to remain there. Everything she did was out of contempt and vindictiveness.

Classic move of these people who behave like this: Terrorize then scream they’re the ones being victimized

Being shot is the terror.

[trubandloki]

@McGurk

Good catch, Trub!

“slightly higher than nil” =/= “has less than nil liability”

Reading comprehension fail? Or deliberate twist?

But stated as fact even though it is not a fact.

Which makes me wonder about all the other things Jonathan Kanarek (@Inigo-montoya) insists are facts.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@trubandloki

@CurrentlyHorseless

If you have the actual audios, which are the original source, what is the purpose of the unofficial transcripts of the audios?

@CurrentlyHorseless, this is a very sincere question.

Why do you re-ask questions that you have asked so many times and we have answered so many times?
I can not think of a good reason, so I am asking you to clarify it.

If you are being sincere, please respond to my post #1176.

I will bump it for you, @trubandloki

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Maria

It is important to see if the audio matches the typed transcript that KK produced and was sent to SS.

If it matches no harm no fowl.

If it does not match or is embellished or misquoted, then it is not verbatim nor accurate and therefore incorrect information has been given to SS to wrong MB

Well, that depends. Did SS turn over all the material sent to them by LK, including any transcripts?

If SS turned over all the material sent to them, then one can check the transcripts sent to SS against the recordings to see if they match.

Bumped for @trubandloki

[trubandloki]

@hut-ho78

I wonder what all I left out.

Or what you added …
Or what you made up…
Or what you stated as a fact that is not true…

[BigMama1]

@hut-ho78

Ah. Blame the victim again.

In this case the victim created the circumstances which led to the shooting and deserves a significant portion of the blame