Michael Barisone/Lauren Kanarek Civil Suit

[Davignport]

In a perfect world, we would never hear from @hut-ho78 and @CurrentlyHorseless again.

[Ambitious_Kate]

In a perfect world, we would never once respond to or acknowlege @hut-ho78 or @CurrentlyHorseless again. Not once.

[TwiSedai]

@erinmeri

Anyone have any good Netflix recommendations?

Just finished The Good Place, bingeing The Mindy Project now.

Edited: dang sorry, I hadn’t refreshed the page yet so didn’t see how far behind this response is.

[erinmeri]

@TwiSedai

Just finished The Good Place, bingeing The Mindy Project now.

The Good Place is my absolute fave! Talk about a smart show that makes you really think!!! Haven’t gotten into the Mindy Project. Adding to my list! Grazi!

[Ambitious_Kate]

@lazaret

I routinely wonder, in the case that there are oddly specific rules announced, what exactly someone did to result in that rule.

Twice that I recall I was the subject of oddlyl specific rules.

I rented a house with my son in law, and my granddaughter, a beautiful 1940’s sears and roebuck house in the middle of a gorgeous hay field in CT, with a couple of old apple trees in the field. Neil took Tasha, 2 years old at the time, out into that field to fly a kite, and it got stuck high up in the tree. He was unable to ever get it out, and he got another kite, and it took got stuck in the tree! This landlord was creepy in alot of ways. She had rented us the house, but not the basement, so I could hear her down in the basement often, and she would come into the house from the baswement when we weren’t there. After getting the kites stuck in the tree, she built a fence around the house, a tight fence around the house and said we could not go out into the field, and only could be in the yard inside the fence, which was about 10 feet out from the house, all the way around. Pretty awful, frankly, and we left soon after.

THe rule comes in when we saw her advertise for renters not long after we left, and in the description, she included “no kite flying”. This was rural country, folks. She lived down the road. Very wierd.

The next time I remember, I was the office manager for a guy who was inventing some kind of sound systemt, audio system. He was a micromanager, and would show up at the park where I was with my daughters, show up at the town pool where I was with my daughters, sort of smarming and trying to date me, I guess. I wasn’t interested, and it became clear at one point. Not long after that, at work, he was looking over my shoulder as I typed documents and pointing out mistakes I made as I made them (I would then backspace and retype) and how inefficient that was, and I became frustrated and printed out some sheets to hand-proof the mistakes and fix them that way and he went nuts for the waste of paper, and I blew up and told him to leave me alone to do my work, and he told me to get out of his office which I did happily. Next few days was an ad in the paper for my position to be filled, and included was the phrase “no Pre-Madonnas!” I never forgot that, he was supposedly so educated and worldly, and he didn’t even know what a prima donna was. But there was the rule, made to make sure he never again got a personal assistant/office manager who wanted her own way! No Pre-Madonnas! I guess I was some kind of proto-woman or something. I couldn’t imagine what he thought the term might mean. He was a non-catholic, so maybe in his mind a “madonna” was a holy woman, I can’t put it together, but it sure tickled me.

[TwiSedai]

I can’t believe I had never watched it (The Good Place) before, it was amazing. The first episode I was like, I have no idea what is going on but this is the greatest thing I’ve ever seen

[Fiesta01]

The Good Place is nothing short of brilliant. It truly is the most creative and original concept I’ve seen in a television comedy. Enjoy!

[Pocket_Rocket]

Thank you @Ambitious_Kate - I love your explanation, the imagery and their emotional ‘pay-off’ - lord knows there’s got to be a reason for their investment.

[Jenerationx]

@Sdel

I wonder about that missing casing and the window and the fact that RG refused to take the gun from MB while he was unconscious, yelling to put up the dog (altering the scene before the cops found it), and the description of how RG was found over MB and the conflicts of MB’s broken left arm.

There was also LK showing the jury how MB supposedly shot her and her switching between right and left hands.

@lazaret

What? No. It’s illegal to record someone who has an expectation of privacy without telling them. You don’t get to determine that expectation of privacy.

If you are called to testify as to something you yourself heard, you have to have heard it firsthand with your own ears, not a recording you made expecting to provide proof of something. You did not witness it and it is hearsay. “I heard a recording of X telling Y that they did Z” is not admissible even if it happened in the middle of Times Square because you personally did not witness X telling Y anything.

Thank you! This is why no recordings were presented at the criminal trial of course.

@CurrentlyHorseless

I said that in some states the statute on such recordings provides for an exception in certain circumstances if the person has reason to believe illegal activity is going to be discussed. In other states, the exception is not in the statute but, but the decision to prosecute might take that into consideration. I’m not sure whether that exception applies in the state of NJ.

Seriously, this has been hashed and rehashed… wiretapping laws exist to keep anyone from bugging anyone else whenever they feel like it.

@lazaret

I imagine such a provision, were it to exist, would be subject to an immediate constitutional challenge as to a due process violation. If anything you ever said that could conceivably be recorded could be admitted as an authenticated recording due solely to the subject matter as interpreted by someone else, that would be a very clear due process violation.

Thank you!

@hut-ho78

My question is if a recoding is used in a civil trial does that make it clean to use in a criminal trial?

You do realize not a single recording was entered into evidence in the criminal trial, right?

@Knights_Mom

Like on a container of rat poison that is marked “Do Not Ingest”? LOL

My stick of deodorant says “for external use only.”…

[Jenerationx]

I must have missed the part where MB, MHG, RC, and the hay guy where committing insider trading and LK, the super ninja donned her black veil and bugged the place to catch them and then blow the whistle.

@CurrentlyHorseless

I’m talking about the exposure of the person making the recording to criminal or civil penalties. I think in some states, such exposure depends on whether the person doing the recording had reason to suspect illegal acts would be discussed.

It does not. You cannot decide to break the consent of recording just because you think they might discuss something illegal.

[Jenerationx]

@cheval_convert

The problem I have with that is that LK taunted them about a gun missing from the safe. So, CPS shows up about possible negligence and/or child endangerment; MB checks the safe and finds a gun is missing; in a panic drives up to what is supposed to be an empty house to look for the missing gun; and somehow there is an altercation and LK is shot. (We know he opened the safe but we do not know that he took a gun from the safe.)

Something else that has always bothered me about the shooting, was somewhere at some time, I remember LK bragging that she was so good with a gun, she only needed 3 bullets, and then she reported 3 gun shots. Just one of those things that makes me go, “Hmmm.”

Combine that with the bite to his groin, which would have been difficult for Rosie to reach if he was on the ground under RG, and I highly suspect he was attacked by LK and the dog.

@hut-ho78

I don’t remember saying it was missing from the safe but rather just missing. My take was she was needling her about MB having it.

Do you often refer to items with a known location as “missing?”

[trubandloki]

@erinmeri

@eggbutt

Please no one respond and just let her have the last word.

I’m sorry I ever replied in the first place. Shame on me for trying!

This is just plain baiting and goading at this point.

Question asked and answered.
Doesn’t like answer, asks another way. Answered again.
Ask, ask, ask, goad, goad, goad…
Clutch pearls when people call you out on the behavior.

You can ask the question six ways to Sunday, but it doesn’t mean you get to cry foul when people give you an answer you don’t like based on said repetition, goading, and baiting.

You should never feel bad for thinking someone sincerely wants an answers to their question.

Most of us are not used to encountering someone who really does not want an answer, only wants to make things annoying for others, so we wrongly think by explaining it some other way that they will actually understand this time and they will stop asking.
We just have to try to remember that for some, the answer is not their goal (as it appears).

I give you an A+ for your wonderful answers and your patience in trying to explain.

[trubandloki]

@cutter99

@Dragonfly90

MB’s safe apparently wasn’t very safe. Facts matter.

I guess you missed the fact that Lauren Kanarek had violated the sanctity of Michael Barisone’s office, and talked about accessing things like contracts. If she accessed those things, what makes you think she didn’t access the safe as well???

Facts matter.

Didn’t it come out at one point in this long journey of learning the Kanarek plot that Michael kept things like contracts in that very same safe? So by saying she could access contracts that means Lauren Kanarek was saying she had access to the safe.

#jonathankanarek
#kirbykanarek
#laurenkanarek
#lalapoprider
#liars
#prooftheyareliars
#contempt

[Knights_Mom]

“What shall we do to spin their wheels today?”

“Oh, I don’t know. How about saying IM has never lied. That should get them going!”

“OK. Sure. Maybe later we can do the Vera divorce broke thing.”

“We could. Top it with some mens rea stuff.”

“Sounds like a plan!”

[trubandloki]

@erinmeri

how do others embed quotes/posts from other threads?

With the archived threads it does make it more difficult to just capture what you want and past it in the thread.

Mod 1 pointed out a good trick that takes them right to the post you want them to reference (more reliably than copying the bar at the top and pasting it in).

If you hit the three dots (red arrow, showing three dots in post above the one you wanted), the options will expand to show the little chain symbol (green arrow).

Clicking the chain symbol gives you a pop-up that allows you to copy and paste a direct link to the post.

Barisone Criminal Case Update

RND, CHT, Currently Horseless……it’s so nice to see 3 sane people on here taking on the forces of hate, misery and victim shaming. I applaud you all. Get ready to be abused for speaking truth. But if you consider the sources of the abuse you’ll be able to laugh it off.

[BigMama1]

@Ambitious_Kate

In a perfect world, we would never once respond to or acknowlege @hut-ho78 or @CurrentlyHorseless again. Not once.

#goals

Let’s set ourselves a challenge and devise a penalty for whoever falters first

[DownYonder]

@MHM

@Pocket_Rocket

Yet the sheer amount of time, effort, googling, cutting & pasting, dervish dancing, denial, argument and baiting that @CurrentlyHorseless and @hut-ho78 are prepared to put in is astounding.

To what purpose?

Honestly, if there is no paycheck involved, I just can’t imagine what would justify that much time and effort.

I’ve truly been wondering about that aspect (paycheck). Maybe they are in the employ of someone who benefits financially by keeping things stirred up here. You know, turning clicks into $$$$.

Or maybe they are ChatGPT, which despite its ability to simulate a chat room, has various limitations, including sometimes writing “plausible-sounding but incorrect or nonsensical answers”. (Wikipedia).

[DownYonder]

@eggbutt

And guess what!!! Oodles of forensic evidence! Imagine that.

Imagine that. The police in the rural lowcountry of SC did a better job of investigating a crime scene than the police in Morris Township NJ.

[DownYonder]

Excellent description!

[lazaret]

Not so much that - since there is statute in NJ for contributory negligence, if the plaintiff has already received an amount toward their total damages, the other parties by default will be responsible for a lesser portion of damages in actual judgement and we will see those amounts in later filings or in the end disposition of the case. If a settling party ends up paying more than their share based on the outcome at trial, then that person has a cross claim for contribution against the other tortfeasers, but the plaintiff cannot receive amounts in excess of their total damages.
From Latta: “Pursuant to the Comparative Negligence Act, the finder of fact must make an allocation of causative fault between settling and non-settling defendants so that the court can calculate the amount of the credit due the non-settler even though the non-settler cannot pursue a claim for contribution against the settler.”

The basic principle is you cannot be made more than whole.