Michael Barisone/Lauren Kanarek Civil Suit

[DownYonder]

@trubandloki

And how much do you wanna bet that Lauren Kanarek was showing up for her lessons regularly when it all started, and then she started to nap thru things. Even she admits she missed lessons and such.

Question: Were LK and RG already a couple when she initially started riding with MB in FL? Also, was she (were they) living on the barn premises in those days?

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Knights_Mom

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@MHM

Thanks.

Talk about doing an extreme 180!

LOL. She did an extreme 180 after he shot her.

You can see why she’d be upset if she was not permitted to train with “the name on the door”, given how miraculous she considered his instruction to be.

Customers often idolize their trainers but that doesn’t give them a right to declare themselves as an exclusive audience of one where only the head trainer teaches. That happens no where and shows how unfamiliar she and others are of how sports training works.

In the post extolling his excellence a year before he shot her, she stated that she trained with him “daily”.

It’s up to the trainer and client to negotiate whether the client is taught 100% by trainer, 50% or 20%.

It sounds like she was being trained predominantly by Barisone himself in 2018. If that was “the deal” whether by written contract, oral contract, or just by the routine established in 2018, it is understandable she would feel cheated if she was no longer being trained predominantly by MB himself in July 2019.

Obviously she was well aware of how dressage training with a Michael Barisone worked, since she had been training with him for well over a year.

It appears as if you are placing blame on him for her deciding on retribution when she wasn’t getting what she wanted. In most training situations, when things go south, you leave. You don’t go FinishTheBastarding.

From what I understanding it was her habit of not showing up which brought her down a few notches regarding her having favored nation status.

Who knows maybe MB trained her less because she disgusted him and just looking at her face made him want to upchuck. Who knows?

My point is that she apparently loved training with him in 2018 when she was training with him “on a daily basis”. The monthly fee, inclusion of the apartment, and expectation of head trainer sessions is whatever LK and MB agree on.

If at some point she was no longer getting trained predominantly by MB, as she seems to have been historically, that’s a very significant change in their “deal”. It is understandable that she would think that she’s not getting what she was paying for. Who knows what she and RG thought they were owed for the renovations. Who knows what they were of promised in terms of free board tor Jay T as part of that purchase.

It appears she was in the process of leaving, but felt she was owed significant amounts of money, and had been bullied by MB/MHG. If not for the various sloppy side deals, the two parties could have parted ways much more easily.

Sure LK thought. LK felt. LK wanted.

All bullhockey. Everything she wanted, everything she thought was clearly fragments of hallucination wrapped in bloated ego with a side of stupid salad.

Your statements all have their genesis in the faulty assumption that she was a golden student, on time and present - religiously. A student of such character and steadfastness that they would never compete with others in their neverending venture to dominate as teachers pet. To be the prima ballerina despite being absent the dedication to do so.

Sure, LK was a pristine presence there and all the meanie mean mean people were dastardly beings to not appreciate and worship her awesomeness.

The truth is she wasn’t owed a gosh darned, rootin’ tootin’ thing. She was a toxin and a malignancy that had to be gone. Her biggest problem is that she showed everyone what she was, and they came to believe her.

No, @Knights_Mom, my statements have nothing to do with any premise “that she was a golden student, on time and present— religiously,” etc, etc.

Even as a lower level amateur, she “was owed” whatever it was that she and MB had agreed upon, and that seemed to serve both parties well for over a year.

If MB wanted to stop training her, at MHGs insistence, or of his own decision, he could have ended the training relationship by declining to renew it on the monthly cycle, or by using a 3 day eviction once things got dangerous and ugly.

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

If MB wanted to stop training her, at MHGs insistence, or of his own decision, he could have ended the training relationship by declining to renew it on the monthly cycle, or by using a 3 day eviction once things got dangerous and ugly.

He DID.

This has been the testimony of many. What you repeatedly and conveniently skip are all the actions she took to terrorize everyone.

[MHM]

@DownYonder

Question: Were LK and RG already a couple when she initially started riding with MB in FL? Also, was she (were they) living on the barn premises in those days?

I think I remember a post from a previous thread that said they were a couple at the time, but they were living somewhere else, not at the barn. Maybe in a camper somewhere?

[eggbutt]

Here we are again, wash, rinse, repeat. In other words, the CH Show. To change the channel, simply scroll on by.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

If MB wanted to stop training her, at MHGs insistence, or of his own decision, he could have ended the training relationship by declining to renew it on the monthly cycle, or by using a 3 day eviction once things got dangerous and ugly.

He DID.

This has been the testimony of many. What you repeatedly and conveniently skip are all the actions she took to terrorize everyone.

No. The testimony of Tarshis was that even as late as Aug 5, Barisone wanted to “scare her out” and did not file eviction papers, 3 day or 30 day, with the court.

Both sides (LK and RG) and (MB and MHG) engaged in stupid harassing and provocative behavior in the week before the shooting. Both sides acted stupidly.

[MHM]

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@Sparky

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@cheval_convert

The problem I have with that is that LK taunted them about a gun missing from the safe. So, CPS shows up about possible negligence and/or child endangerment; MB checks the safe and finds a gun is missing; in a panic drives up to what is supposed to be an empty house to look for the missing gun; and somehow there is an altercation and LK is shot. (We know he opened the safe but we do not know that he took a gun from the safe.)

Something else that has always bothered me about the shooting, was somewhere at some time, I remember LK bragging that she was so good with a gun, she only needed 3 bullets, and then she reported 3 gun shots. Just one of those things that makes me go, “Hmmm.”

I don’t remember saying it was missing from the safe but rather just missing. My take was she was needling her about MB having it.

I’m sorry, what? You don’t remember saying this? Freudian slip?

I don’t remember “her” saying it. Sorry. Left out the “her.”

Corrected.

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@smoofox

@hut-ho78

@smoofox I owe you an apology. You were not the person who started that other thread. I apologize.

Thank you.

I knew I had not posted as you claimed… at least you finally went back and checked that.
Just a reminder to all of us not to be in such a rush to condemn, sneer and point fingers…

Thank you for accepting my apology and you are right in your comment about not being in such a rush to condemn, sneer, and point fingers.

[roseymare]

@Jenerationx

My stick of deodorant says “for external use only.”…

My lunchables says DO NOT MICROWAVE Does the fake meat and cheese explode? I can only surmise it means while in package but who knows? Do not judge I can get them for .25 each at our local food warehouse store and they make for a quick breakfast on days I work 12 hour shifts.

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@lazaret

Commentary:

Oral contracts are just as valid as written ones. Contracts can be created in all kinds of circumstances so long as the required form of the contract exists.

In order to file a legal eviction you first have to do several things, which were in the process of being done and promptly complicated when someone decided to get everyone evicted from the property. Presumably the order marking the premises as uninhabitable could be expected to have the same effect, until such time as it was ignored; the enforcement of that order never took place as the event in question happened first. In other words, arguing about the eviction process is moot here because nobody was supposed to be occupying the domicile, by order of the building inspector.

New Jersey state law does require a written notice to “cease and desist” the disorderly conduct prior to the 3 day emergency eviction order.

[DownYonder]

@3PonyFarm

How much do the contracts cost for a trainer to train and show exclusively for one farm/owner? I would think you would need to own quite a few horses for a well known trainer to be interested in working for you.
I have heard of a couple of arrangements like that locally to me of racehorse farms and a few show horse breeding farms but around here most trainers need multiple clients.

Quite some years back, I connected an FEI trainer acquaintance with a wealthy couple who were new to the sport of dressage and were looking to make a splash. They had bought/built a big fancy facility in FL and wanted a resident trainer. The job included a very, very nice salary (something pretty much unheard of in the dressage world), plus other benefits such as paid vacation, affordable health care coverage, etc. I believe there was also a nice apartment on the premises and a high end, late model P/U truck with all the bells and whistles. Unfortunately the dude tried to get away with some financial shenanigans on sale horses but got found out and was fired. (He bounced around for a while after that and got sucked deeper and deeper into a druggie lifestyle along with some other nefarious stuff, and messed his life up so badly he ended up in prison.)

At the moment, I can think of several trainers that are/were sort of “dedicated” to their patrons. Guenter Seidel, Scott Hassler, Michael Bragdell, and Chris Hickey come to mind, but I do not know if they were/are salaried or not.

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

If MB wanted to stop training her, at MHGs insistence, or of his own decision, he could have ended the training relationship by declining to renew it on the monthly cycle, or by using a 3 day eviction once things got dangerous and ugly.

He DID.

This has been the testimony of many. What you repeatedly and conveniently skip are all the actions she took to terrorize everyone.

No. The testimony of Tarshis was that even as late as Aug 5, Barisone wanted to “scare her out” and did not file eviction papers, 3 day or 30 day, with the court.

Both sides (LK and RG) and (MB and MHG) engaged in stupid harassing and provocative behavior in the week before the shooting. Both sides acted stupidly.

No. LK knew she was unwanted before August. The texts make that clear. You are mistaken when you cite eviction law as if you know how it works. You don’t.

Besides that fact that most people leave without anything having to go to court. Court evictions are for those problem tenants who milk the system, want to live for free, are too poor to move, or are at war with the landlord.

LK was just a wealthy grifter with a convenient crash pad who pretended to play horsey like the big guns.

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@trubandloki

Hey Jonathan Kanarek (@Inigo-montoya), I was just looking thru the text conversations that were part of the latest brief that Mr. Deininger filed in response to GAS’s motion.

It appears this text that says “haha…maybe they’ll be homeless” was sent by you.

Such a strange thing for a lawyer and father to write about someone else, no? Why would you want anyone to be homeless? Why would you laugh about anyone being homeless?

I have to assume that you do not volunteer at the soup kitchen with your lovely wife, Kirby Kanarek (@Seeker1).

I don’t think JK is IM.

[3PonyFarm]

It is a shame to hear when one side or the other abuses what could be a very beneficial arrangement for both of them.

[eggbutt]

Interesting selection of “dedicated” trainers, all at the top of their craft.

[Knights_Mom]

LK wasn’t paying enough to be exclusive.

[eggbutt]

LK is a real life version of Veruka Salt. The difference is LK’s tantrums end up destroying others while her family continues to enable her.

[Paint_Party]

@eggbutt

Here we are again, wash, rinse, repeat.

[MorganSercu]

I like that in the book & movies we never find out if she (and Dad) are incinerated or not. I always hoped they were.