Walk On By. They are not worth the debate or effort.
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Sure, that could be harassment. But thatās not the same thing as barratry and doesnāt require a lawyer. Harassment is subject to criminal statute; in some cases, it requires a person to seriously interpret a threat to their safety or their familyās safety, which letters threatening to sue you are not.
So, depends on a lot of things, but itās a completely different subject.
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I guess it comes down toā¦at what point after experiencing extreme out of control behavior is that point reached? Would a reasonable person believe that someone whose actions have caused a whole houseful of people to vacate to a barn, and at least one person in that barn to sleep armed, could be a serious threat to the safety of said group of people?
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Well normal people would have dealt with the issue prior to it getting to that point. Normal people would have contracts in place. However we are not talking about normal people. It takes two to tango. LK is a dumpster fire and so is MB.
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I donāt agree. Have you lived with someone like LK? I have. And it didnāt get dealt with until the crap show happened.
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No I havenāt because Iām a normal person who hates drama. I also donāt live with people. If I was to do so, contracts are my friend and I wouldnāt hesitate to leave to save my sanity. Iām probably weird but jail time is never worth it. Money is never worth it. My sanity and wellbeing? Priceless
Do you know her or are you projecting?
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A letter threatening legal action simply isnāt what youāre talking about here. Weāre talking about two different things.
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You canāt leave when itās your kidā¦and you canāt do things like shoot them either. Iām not projecting, Iām just saying there is latitude for an open mind as to what all was going down and where it was all coming from. You really wouldnāt believe the things that some people can do in response to minor or non-existent slights. I canāt help but go back to the idea that a whole house was vacated to a barnā¦that is a whole lot of fear.
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That was a thought about the whole caseā¦not letters.
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Itās amazing to me that random posters intimating insider knowledge keep showing up on these threadsā¦
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I disagree. I think Lauren had a power over MB. She occupied his house. She maneuvered herself so that she was spying on his privacy. She stayed in his house after it was condemed, and forced his family to move into the barn. Lauren was a bully. She had horses in his barn she would not move out. She may have co-owned a horse with him or his girlfriend. She threatened him and his family in multiple ways. Lauren had the power over MB and was tresspassing, refusing to leave his property, screaming beneath his windows at night, threatening legal issues, refusing to obey legal citations. Lauren was the bully. There is nothing I have seen to date to entertain the idea that MB was bullying her.
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A random comment from someone who is clueless about the whole topic of āyou do not know what Bullying meansā.
I am guessing that most people do not know what the legal definition of bullying is, but they still know what bullying looks like.
That kid in your class, that was in your same grade, same age so had no level of power over your life (technically) who would steal your lunch money was bullying you.
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Not specific to this case, but I do believe that a client of a trainer can be the bully. They can take their business elsewhere, yes. They can also ruin the trainers reputation - although there should be legal consequences for this. The client often has more money than the trainer. The client is the source of the trainerās livelihood. If a client has multiple horses at a facility, is living at the facility, and has entered into other business deals with the trainer, I can see how client essentially holds a greater amount of power in the relationship.
I donāt know 100% of the details of what went down between LK and MB so I cannot definitively say that LK was not a bully. She may not be a ābig name riderā but that doesnāt mean she had no power.
Thereās just a lot to this situation. A lot that we arenāt privy to do I feel as though I cannot make a fair assessment of the power dynamic and any bullying that occurred. If the blame lies on MB the blame lies on him, itās not personal for me, and Iām not a MB fan. Iām not saying the man had no role in this either.
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So, LK and MB stuff aside. Now Iām intrigued by this definition of a bully thing and trainer client relations. My above post could be totally wrong or off base, and if it is, Iād love for someone to explain and articulate why. Iām genuinely interested.
If you take the safe schools training module, as most teachers have to, there are a multitude of factors that help reporters/adults classify how that kid stealing your lunch money holds power over you: stealing your lunch money isnāt just being mean, whether because the bully is physically larger than the target, or the target is a protected class, there are a variety of avenues that would bring this into the organizational designation of bullying.
That is still not the case for a large well-known male trainer against his small unknown female client.
From my annual formal training in the subject of bullying (since 2006), I do not see Safe Sport pursuing any claims of bullying against Lauren Kanerak as it pertains to Michael Barisone. That can always change, and Iām definitely not affiliated with safe sport in any way beyond taking this training so am not privvy to any pending investigations or sanctions against anyone. I do not have super secret insider knowledge. At all.
In this case, we will know the situation has changed when and if Lauren is sanctioned by either USEF or SS for bullying of MB, or anyone else.
sidenote: donāt you feel like some of these posters who clearly have so much vitriol against Kanerak have already filed bullying claims with safe sport and/or usef? Or whatever other offenses they claim? Like otherwise theyāre just using the anonymous bully pulpit of coth to slag some rando right??
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If you think this will protect you from harassment by people who are not ānormalā (whatever your definition of that is) and who thrive on drama, you are naive.
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You are of course correct. You never know what whack job is going to shoot you. I mean, statistically you know themā¦
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No, you never know what āwhack jobā is going to push you past your limits.
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I mean, most people wouldnāt shoot someone. Statistics bear that out as well.
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But large men are more likely to murder small women than small women are to murder large men. I mean, size really doesnāt matterā¦
