Michael Barisone

[cloudyandcallie]

New Jersey has service by publication and mail. Most states have a variation. Google it

I used it often in GA

[FitzE]

@ladyj79 Very well articulated. It does seem this nobody from nowhere has attracted more than the average group of detractors. However, I think while we discuss her detractors it is only fair to remember that she is in this unenviable position through what seems often quite strenuous effort of her own.

Think only how many times she has threatened legal action against posters here (and not just the 3 or 4 who know and have good reason to despise her). She has shot at at least one person, threatened countless others, excoriated people on Facebook and twitter, used the race of a couple to publicly disparage their horse business online, her ex-family members have a restraining order against her - Lord, the things she wrote to Girl Joey alone (and I mean just the ones printed in the NYT, not even the stuff GJ showed here) are so vicious, so truly depraved that, while I agree she is a nobody from nowhere, she seems to have done some legitimate harm to more than one person.

And she has done so with intention and malice and, in many cases, no small effort. Believe me, calling CPS on someone is far from annoying; it is a drastically life-altering intervention in many cases that leads to ruined lives not just of the adults, but also of the innocent children who are hapless victims. I cannot over stress how serious it is to do that and to do it frivolously and for revenge or control or manipulation is nothing short of monstrous. This is no garden-variety annoying behaviour here.

Which is to say, this is not a simple case of some random low-level horse sport enthusiast who several people have decided to target on COTH. Do remember that public attack on SNSs is, indeed, LK’s primary mode of causing harm so it is a bit much to clutch pearls (not that you are, I mean in general) when a few of her victims use the same sauce for the gander as was served with the goose.

There may be a very few who think MB was in the right and should be excused based on her behaviour and history. And there are a couple people with personal histories with her who do clearly seem to hate her and want to see her finally get her comeuppance. But, while there are a couple posters who insist on making these threads all about how everyone loves MB and thinks he’s hard done to and innocent, the real truth is that the vast majority following this saga rightfully appreciate that he was not right, is not innocent, and has destroyed his own life through what is frankly insane criminal behaviour.

After that it’s just a true crime saga that touches the special interests of people on this forum (horses) and that’s an end to it. It’s in the media - hell, it hit the NYT! - and it’s going to be discussed until it is resolved and likely thereafter. When a splashy crime happens in an otherwise sleepy community, it is always a sensation. This one is truly nothing unique in that way at all.

[FitzE]

So I did the googling. Seems in NC the braider can use mail, delivery, and finally publication to serve summons. If she has really tried service repeatedly she should clear the barrier for service by publication and simply go ahead and do so.

https://www.nccourts.gov/assets/inli…8CvdrkC0IwHR2S

[ladyj79]

Again, @FitzE , I dont really need you to provide more reasoning or explanations for continued public attacks on a nobody, even if no one likes her.

I don’t think it’s ok.

[FitzE]

Ouch, got it. I was just thinking about what you wrote and building off that. Didn’t mean anything directed at you.

[trubandloki]

@FitzE I actually really liked your post and I think you hit the nail on the head.

True crime is interesting. This is interesting. MB totally ruined what was a good life, so heck, we are interested in knowing what happened, why it happened.

Bonus that I have learned all kinds of legal type stuff from the generous posters here on COTH.

[RainWeasley]

@FitzE

After that it’s just a true crime saga that touches the special interests of people on this forum (horses) and that’s an end to it. It’s in the media - hell, it hit the NYT! - and it’s going to be discussed until it is resolved and likely thereafter. When a splashy crime happens in an otherwise sleepy community, it is always a sensation. This one is truly nothing unique in that way at all.

This is why I have been following it. There are some on here that seem to be more involved personally, but for most of us, it’s this simple. If it was something that had happened ten years ago, that was already resolved, no one would be complaining about it being such a hot topic, just another crime documentary type thing (look at the whole Joe Exotic phenomena!). But since its happening right now, and the players are people some of us know, and one of them actively has been engaging on here, its of course going to be of more interest to everyone.

[Jealoushe]

@FitzE

So I did the googling. Seems in NC the braider can use mail, delivery, and finally publication to serve summons. If she has really tried service repeatedly she should clear the barrier for service by publication and simply go ahead and do so.

https://www.nccourts.gov/assets/inli…8CvdrkC0IwHR2S

Thank you for posting FACTS.

Listen, I am not defending LK. I don’t know her at all. I’m also not saying rumors don’t happen on CoTH, they do, but they are not allowed when a person is named and the rumor is seriously accusatory. Been here long enough to know that. And no the bashing of anyone is not ok, including braiders, I was pointing out it does happen a lot, but it is usually someone telling their story that happened to THEM.

This isn’t a one off, its a pattern of this poster being completely obsessed with LK and following her every move and reporting it back to the board. It’s unhealthy, anyone denying this and thinking it is normal needs to sit and think how strange it actually is to be so focused on someone you apparently hate so much.

[YankeeDuchess]

@FitzE

So I did the googling. Seems in NC the braider can use mail, delivery, and finally publication to serve summons. If she has really tried service repeatedly she should clear the barrier for service by publication and simply go ahead and do so.

https://www.nccourts.gov/assets/inli…8CvdrkC0IwHR2S

   My point was that Eggbutt’s repeating in every thread “She has refused to answer the door to process servers for two years” is an extremely tired disparagement, and extremely unlikely to be true, since any person trying to serve her would have rung the doorbell twice, maybe, then used some other means, like the mail.

[YankeeDuchess]

@FitzE

@ladyj79 Very well articulated. It does seem this nobody from nowhere has attracted more than the average group of detractors. However, I think while we discuss her detractors it is only fair to remember that she is in this unenviable position through what seems often quite strenuous effort of her own.

Think only how many times she has threatened legal action against posters here (and not just the 3 or 4 who know and have good reason to despise her). She has shot at at least one person, threatened countless others, excoriated people on Facebook and twitter, used the race of a couple to publicly disparage their horse business online, her ex-family members have a restraining order against her - Lord, the things she wrote to Girl Joey alone (and I mean just the ones printed in the NYT, not even the stuff GJ showed here) are so vicious, so truly depraved that, while I agree she is a nobody from nowhere, she seems to have done some legitimate harm to more than one person.

And she has done so with intention and malice and, in many cases, no small effort. Believe me, calling CPS on someone is far from annoying; it is a drastically life-altering intervention in many cases that leads to ruined lives not just of the adults, but also of the innocent children who are hapless victims. I cannot over stress how serious it is to do that and to do it frivolously and for revenge or control or manipulation is nothing short of monstrous. This is no garden-variety annoying behaviour here.

Which is to say, this is not a simple case of some random low-level horse sport enthusiast who several people have decided to target on COTH. Do remember that public attack on SNSs is, indeed, LK’s primary mode of causing harm so it is a bit much to clutch pearls (not that you are, I mean in general) when a few of her victims use the same sauce for the gander as was served with the goose.

There may be a very few who think MB was in the right and should be excused based on her behaviour and history. And there are a couple people with personal histories with her who do clearly seem to hate her and want to see her finally get her comeuppance. But, while there are a couple posters who insist on making these threads all about how everyone loves MB and thinks he’s hard done to and innocent, the real truth is that the vast majority following this saga rightfully appreciate that he was not right, is not innocent, and has destroyed his own life through what is frankly insane criminal behaviour.

After that it’s just a true crime saga that touches the special interests of people on this forum (horses) and that’s an end to it. It’s in the media - hell, it hit the NYT! - and it’s going to be discussed until it is resolved and likely thereafter. When a splashy crime happens in an otherwise sleepy community, it is always a sensation. This one is truly nothing unique in that way at all.

        In accusing her of fueling the flames of the attack on her, please keep in mind that the social media victim blaming started while she was still in the hospital and greeted her when she first came out of the medically induced coma. 

        Of the “three or four who know her and have good reason to despise her”, some of those are partisans with ties to the Barisone (via MHG, for example), Your own join date suggests you may be participating as a houseguest. 

       There is no concrete evidence LK called CPS. If there were children on the premises in the week leading up to the shooting, obviously they were in danger given that RC was sleeping in the barn aisle with a gun under her pillow (per Eggbutt), and MB was not in his right mind. Whoever called them (LK, SS, someone else) it was not a frivolous call.

[ladyj79]

@Jealoushe

Listen, I am not defending LK. I don’t know her at all. I’m also not saying rumors don’t happen on CoTH, they do, but they are not allowed when a person is named and the rumor is seriously accusatory .

this is the foundation of my opinion. These two or three posters keep laying out what seem to be criminal allegations without a) any evidence and b) without their names, which was a rule introduced by coth, what, two years ago? Last year?

But with lauren that all seems to go by the wayside, because–again–three people really dont like her, and some has been golden boy shot her, so the rules against unsubstantiated allegations no longer apply. Because she’s rich and annoying so f the rules, drag her until she dies, or gets out of horses.

I am not at all asking these posters to out themselves. I am suggesting rather to stop this wild accusation flinging, rumor mongering, and downright mean girl ish until such time as they can offer proof of the criminal and civil wrongdoings, then offer those facts and not supposition. Saying it doesn’t make it true, and wishing it doesn’t make it true.

It’s also really not healthy to obsess on someone you hate, and wish people ill, it is really bad for you, mind body and soul.

[BigMama1]

@eggbutt

Off topic but relevant: Lauren finally, legitimately achieved her final Bronze Medal score this weekend. Good for her. She rode one of four classes entered and scratched the remaining 3 classes after her first ride. I understand this is standard behavior for her. Interesting.

Back to the trial topic, I doubt MB’s attorney will proceed until he has uncovered everything he can to defend his client. There is so much background to go through and that takes time.

Good for her. That is no small feat after the injuries she sustained, regardless of what anyone thinks of her personally. Must be nice to have that item ticked off her bucket list and to be able to move forward.

As for scratching the other classes, not sure why that’s relevant? That’s pretty standard practice at upper levels and with pros, especially if the weather is hot or crappy. If your goal is to get a specific score or qualify for a particular class, why keep going once you achieved it? Unless your horse needs more ring time for whatever reason, generally I think it’s good horsemanship to not compete them unnecessarily.

[trubandloki]

@BigMama1

As for scratching the other classes, not sure why that’s relevant? That’s pretty standard practice at upper levels and with pros, especially if the weather is hot or crappy. If your goal is to get a specific score or qualify for a particular class, why keep going once you achieved it? Unless your horse needs more ring time for whatever reason, generally I think it’s good horsemanship to not compete them unnecessarily.

I have to assume you did not read the other comments before posting this.

It has been explained and others (like me) explained back that we were thankful for the explanation because of our different situation in life the thought of cancelling lots of classes that we have saved just to do had never occurred to us.

Heck, all competing can be considered unnecessary so… that might not be the best terminology to use.

[Danvers]

Well said FitzE!

[BigMama1]

@trubandloki

I have to assume you did not read the other comments before posting this.

It has been explained and others (like me) explained back that we were thankful for the explanation because of our different situation in life the thought of cancelling lots of classes that we have saved just to do had never occurred to us.

Heck, all competing can be considered unnecessary so… that might not be the best terminology to use.

No I didn’t read them all. And no, most of us regular folks don’t enter a show specifically to get one score or to qualify for a particular class. But it’s very common among pros and elite riders.

[eggbutt]

@BigMama1

No I didn’t read them all. And no, most of us regular folks don’t enter a show specifically to get one score or to qualify for a particular class. But it’s very common among pros and elite riders.

I didn’t realize LK is now considered a pro or an elite rider. My comments were for interest only…after all, she bragged about riding 4 or more horses a day in FL and indicated what great shape she was in.

LK has made herself the center of attention and thrives on it. You can’t whine when the attention she receives is not what you want her to have.

For those intent on bashing me for my dislike (not obsession) of LK, perhaps you should consider many people know of and have witnessed her despicable behavior and find it intolerable.

[ladyj79]

So again, how many classes she shows and whether she scratches should really not be of interest to randos on the internet.

Shows just started back
it is hot and muggy, this isnt optimal for showing
there is a global pandemic, this isnt optimal for showing
She was shot in the chest, again, not optimal for showing
she earned her needed score and scratched other classes, deciding not to run her horses into the ground.

Wow, what an awful person. Definitely worthy of stalking and slagging anonymously on the internets.

[eggbutt]

@ladyj79

So again, how many classes she shows and whether she scratches should really not be of interest to randos on the internet.

Shows just started back
it is hot and muggy, this isnt optimal for showing
there is a global pandemic, this isnt optimal for showing
She was shot in the chest, again, not optimal for showing
she earned her needed score and scratched other classes, deciding not to run her horses into the ground.

Wow, what an awful person. Definitely worthy of stalking and slagging anonymously on the internets.

I am thrilled you are here to defend Lauren. But why are you here defending her? Remember, this thread was about any news on either trial and it was highjacked to give an update on Lauren and her first show since the shooting. A significant event. I congratulated her for obtaining her bronze medal at last. I also questioned why she scratched three other classes. Nothing vicious or condescending.

And yes, it is a shame others have not found their justice with Lauren because she has dodged the process servers. She is always so innocent but does not accept the filings to prove her innocence. Does that make her above the law or make her smarter than her accusers? Rhetorical question…no response needed.

[YankeeDuchess]

@eggbutt

I didn’t realize LK is now considered a pro or an elite rider. My comments were for interest only…after all, she bragged about riding 4 or more horses a day in FL and indicated what great shape she was in.

LK has made herself the center of attention and thrives on it. You can’t whine when the attention she receives is not what you want her to have.

For those intent on bashing me for my dislike (not obsession) of LK, perhaps you should consider many people know of and have witnessed her despicable behavior and find it intolerable.

 Didn’t Michael Barisone make LK the center of attention by shooting her twice point blank in the chest?

[YankeeDuchess]

@eggbutt

I am thrilled you are here to defend Lauren. But why are you here defending her? Remember, this thread was about any news on either trial and it was highjacked to give an update on Lauren and her first show since the shooting. A significant event. I congratulated her for obtaining her bronze medal at last. I also questioned why she scratched three other classes. Nothing vicious or condescending.

And yes, it is a shame others have not found their justice with Lauren because she has dodged the process servers. She is always so innocent but does not accept the filings to prove her innocence. Does that make her above the law or make her smarter than her accusers? Rhetorical question…no response needed.

But there is no news on the case— just her FB comment on the date of the next hearing.

You repeat the “she dodges process servers” for the twentieth time. The person trying to serve papers must have figured out to serve by mail or publication by now. You can’t dodge being served by refusing to answer the door. It is a ridiculous claim that you keep repeating.