Michael/ Lauren civil trial update February 9

[Jenerationx]

I had the “shooting validates the SS report” square. I can’t even imagine the mental gymnastics that takes to think something that happened AFTER the report and has nothing to do with a minor somehow makes sexual abuse of a minor true.

[Knights_Mom]

@MHM

@Knights_Mom

@LiberalSnowflake

It’s all astonishing, but this, from Tarshis, is really eye opening.

I mean, what on earth are they up to?

In my opinion: That’s because LK still wanted to be teachers pet with MB. They had invested much time, effort and $$ into this Barisone grift and if they could turn MB against MH they wouldn’t have to do it all again with someone else. I’ll also wager that MB was the best in town. And just like IM wrote here, she would train with him again. So this incident was just 3 people acting in concert in furtherance of a plan.

Coercion.

How did that plan fit in with the fact that MB was still in jail awaiting his quickly approaching trial at the time, and they expected him to be found guilty and locked up for years and years?!?

Hedging their bet.

Narcissists, considering themselves master strategists, always work multiple levels just in case.

[jvanrens]

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

I totally “get it”. The EIM narrative is that LK was jealous of MHG, and pressured and harassed MB until he snapped, supposedly “driving him insane”.

Wrong. We KNOW LK was and is jealous of MHG.

I personally understand that as it seems MHG is where LK yearns to be.

Many a movie has been made regarding a yearning like that, which leads weaker minded people to engage in ugly, doomed to failure acts in their insatiable yearning and frustration.

In the world of dressage in Wellington, MHG is still B List but LK is D List.

MB chose MHG in all ways. I would have wanted LK gone too and I’m willing to bet just about every poster here feels the same way.

You just don’t choose second shelf.

Point in evidence, LK stating she was the next best rider to MB at HH. Most of the working students were riding at a higher level than LK, not to mention MHG and JH.

[Knights_Mom]

@iridedressage

Hum - might number 2 be considered witness tampering?

IN MY OPINION
I’d say more like a loose coercion. Do A for me and I’ll do B for you.

[eggbutt]

Legal Eagles, I’m too eye strained to read through the 106 pages again, but did I see something mentioning the possibility of the illegal recordings being a chargeable offense now that should be pursued?

[eggbutt]

Is she really at D list level?

[MorganSercu]

IANAL but do you mean this delightful passage?

Michael/ Lauren civil trial update February 9

Finally, the wiretapping may be addressed. [Screen Shot 2023-02-13 at 12.28.37 PM]

[Knights_Mom]

@SoCoPony

The whole turn off the propane is unreal. I would say the tank was getting low and they wanted to save what was in there so LaLa could get hot showers.

Of course the discussion of the barn generator, makes this horse go… hummm

“Make sure the gen at the barn won’t save the situation for them”

“MB would have to buy a new one”
“A new BIG ASS one”

I really wanted to point that out because I found that soooo interesting.

but of course I am only a horse.

I’m just a vacuumer but the documented level of evidence of this level of organizational planning reminds me of an excellent Law & Order episode where they all get indicted and have those fun RICO charges filed as it involves multiple crimes done in concert with eachother to achieve a purposeful aim and conclusion that would entrap and destroy the person targeted all because they chose their relationship over someone who wanted to be teachers pet with her horsey lessons.

#nameallthecrimesifyoucanthereareatleastfive

[Sdel]

@SoCoPony

Of course the discussion of the barn generator, makes this horse go… hummm

“Make sure the gen at the barn won’t save the situation for them”

Considering RG did wiring work on the barn, and the prominent focus of barn fires in the criminal trial, I’m not putting together a good puzzle….

[BigMama1]

@CurrentlyHorseless

You demanded “PROVE IT”.

Then you pretend to be offended when HH complies with your all caps demand. It does indeed look like a game to you.

And yet nothing HH write constitutes proof at all. It’s almost like there is no proof…

[Knights_Mom]

@SoCoPony

I maybe an old horse of course and not a legal beagle but does this sound like a plot for either an attempt at blackmail or extortion.

Just pondering.

Some horses are very smart indeed.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@eggbutt

I’m so sorry CH but you and HH are lost and are just posting total confusion.

It is understood you both are probably shell-shocked from the evidence presented by Mr Deininger in his filing. It’s gonna get worse. Maybe now is a good time to consider reality.

What I demanded PROOF of was actual EVIDENCE that Michael Barisone held or shot a gun on 8/7/19, not your word salad of what you think the jury thought. Mkay? Get it now?

BTW, I use all caps for you to help you find key words to focus on for better reading comprehension. I used to highlight words for students learning to read and comprehend. I was simply trying to help you understand the post. My efforts failed.

I’ve asked @Sdel twice what she considers the bombshell relegations to be, and have not gotten a response.

What evidence from the recent filings is supposed to leave me “shell shocked”?

I understand your posts perfectly well. I also understand your need to condescend.

[Jenerationx]

@Sdel

We need to send Michael, MH, Justin and Mary DeFranco the very first recording. Then tell them this is the tip of the iceberg. The police are buffering it now. We will be sending each of the other [a number, 14 or 74] threats and bullying and plotting to make the staff “fall in the line” recordings as we see fit. Just a formal notification so that the other parties on THIS one 51 minute recording (which you can hear as clearly as we can or as clearly as the Washington Township Police can) have a chance to lawyer up.

@Sdel

“it’s more for USEF than anything else. But I’ll include the fact that we have been given permission to take videos, recordings, or anything else which we feel keep us from danger and the location will not be inadmissible due to the fact it is in the stables where people come and go to see their horses - which they can be heard …….”

Thanks… my eyes were struggling with some of that.

@eggbutt

I would add Kirby Kanarek too. She’s up to her self-righteous neck in all of this.

Oh the poor mother of the poor victim, who was kind enough to pray for all of us. I’m sure she wouldn’t do anything wrong.

@Sdel

I wanted to circle back around and point out that the dumpster featured in a “sample dialogue” from a recording where Lauren Kanarek claimed that Michael told someone not to talk about that here. She’s recording us, go out to the dumpsters. Or some other such similar representation……

Yes, she sure did… I don’t recall who, but something about going out to the dumpsters to plan because they knew she was recording inside.

@ekat

Oh, yes. Lauren sure did say that, which might explain why she was told to put a bug by the dumpster.

Yep… THAT!

[Knights_Mom]

@3PonyFarm

Prior to the shooting, what was the lawsuit supposed to be about?

My bet is a contractual violation of some sort. Money owed. Services not performed. Throw a bunch of stuff at a wall and see what sticks.

[SoCoPony]

Now I am just a horse that hangs out at the pasture gate picking up bits and pieces of conversations but this has my curious mind working…

If there was damage to the generator, not saying there was or wasn’t and after the aftermath fall out of the events, this was discovered and claimed on lets say with insurance and paid out or maybe if it was damaged and not fixed but deducted from the sale of the property. Wouldn’t there, could there be some sort of of halt, halt, halt back up there .Like you know if insurance WAS paid out would the carrier of the claim be interested in this information.

[MorganSercu]

It’s within the Exhibits. I’m on a different machine now so don’t have it downloaded but if you go to Exhibits and look for the ones that are kind of dark and turned sideways, you can open them up and some programs will let you turn them, magnify them and even lighten up the background so you can see it a bit more clearly. I want to say H, but don’t hold me to that, please.

[eggbutt]

@CurrentlyHorseless

No, @eggbutt, no.

Please stop demanding I regurgitate the point. In my opinion you’ve understood the point perfectly well for months.

No, I’m sorry, I don’t understand your point of falsely stating as fact Michael Barisone shot anyone, held a gun, attempted murder, loaded a gun, took a gun from a locker, or had a full cartridge in his pocket, when there is no forensic evidence to back up your continued statements. The verdict doesn’t prove to me he did anything. The verdict proved to me the jury did not have the evidence to convict him of anything other than being insane and unable to remember the events of the afternoon of 8/7/19 to participate in his own defense.

My point to you is I consider your statements of fact that Barisone shot anyone, with zero forensic evidence, is as offensive to me and the posts you flag are offensive to you!! So, let’s agree that you believe what you need to about Michael Barisone’s intended actions on 8/7/19 and allow me the same for what I believe about Robert Guy Goodwin’s intentions that day, okay?

[Mersidoats]

I believe the texts are referring to Shannon Stevens and Marcus Orlob at Elite Expression Dressage.

[ohnoO]

@DownYonder

@hut-ho78

No, I’ve said all along there were no bugs posted except maybe at the locker and I think RG recorded every conversation he had. Barn people gossip. Stressed people confide in friends, friends talk to friends. Someone always gets back to the person being talked about. No one keeps secrets.

And the private conversation between MB and Tarshis that was held in MB’s private office? Tarshis had indicated that LK mentioned the conversation almost verbatim. Are you going to insinuate that MB relayed the conversation (verbatim) to MHG, who relayed it (verbatim) to RC, who relayed it (verbatim) to JH, who relayed it (verbatim) to the barn staff, who relayed it (verbatim) to LK?

Yeah!

[eggbutt]

@MorganSercu

IANAL but do you mean this delightful passage?

Michael/ Lauren civil trial update February 9

YES! Thank you!!! It was the counterclaim mention! Can/will that actually happen?!