My horrible experiences with Texas horse trainer/instructor Ellen Doughty-Hume

[Highflyer]

[QUOTE=JenEM;8990683]
Do recognized Events not require the EHV vaccination form that you need for other shows? Again, not actually proof the horse doesn’t have anything, since the vaccination isn’t good for the kind of EHV that’s caused problems at shows, but, USEF says we have to come with a copy of the record for H/J shows, and I know I’ve submitted it at the two licensed Dressage shows I did this year too. That would be a better signifier of some kind of vaccination protocol. Is it not required at Events? I haven’t done one since that rule went into place.[/QUOTE]

You’re supposed to always have the form filled out and with you, but most do not actually check it.

[yaya]

JenEM - if it is a USEF licensed event, the vaccination form is required.

USEF rule GR845.

[merrygoround]

I know it is Off Subject-but many people do not understand the reason for requiring negative Coggins test.

If every horse at a show has an annual negative Coggins test, and one in the interim acquires the disease, you have still lowered the possibility for others at the show to be infected, particularly with our fondness for fly spray. A horse appearing at a show with a negative Coggins most likely comes from a barn requiring similar annual testing, thereby also lowering the possibility of transmitting the disease.

As there is no vaccination for EIA, it is the only available way to attempt to control its prevalence.

OK getting off my soapbox.

[TBFAN]

The point that JBRP made up thread is important, and underscored my own views on the individual being discussed.
“To constantly fly in the face of everyone else and wildly nilly break rules flagrantly sets a tone”
Putting aside for the moment the OP’s more serious concerns, this point is what stood out to me. It is not unusual to see this attitude in other UL riders/trainers/owners - I’m not saying they all do that at all, but if you’ve been around long enough, you see the “I’m above the rules” attitude in lots of small and larger ways.
Maybe parents or new horse owners don’t recognize it, but for me, that attitude alone is enough to make me steer clear.

[Crockpot]

[QUOTE=Ghazzu;8990631]

Minor point, but mosquitoes re not a common vector for EIA.
Mainly spread by biting flies.[/QUOTE]

In what world are mosquitoes not ‘biting flies’?

Yes. Mosquitoes are vectors for eia

[WasthatC]

[QUOTE=TBFAN;8990890]
The point that JBRP made up thread is important, and underscored my own views on the individual being discussed.
"It is not unusual to see this attitude in other UL riders/trainers/owners - I’m not saying they all do that at all, but if you’ve been around long enough, you see the “I’m above the rules” attitude in lots of small and larger ways.
Maybe parents or new horse owners don’t recognize it, but for me, that attitude alone is enough to make me steer clear.[/QUOTE]

The above the rules attitude is also a deal breaker for me in all aspects of life but especially in horses. At the end of the day that attitude gives humans what they believe is a right to disrespect fellow horse people but more importantly: the horses.

[WB_Mom]

This certainly has been an interesting read for the end of 2016.
My take on it is pretty simple. Just because you are an UL rider, does not mean you automatically have an UL program. I realize being an UL rider means you probably have a certain personality type, which can be both bad and good.
And obviously, just because you are an UL rider does not mean you are a PROFESSIONAL in every sense of the word. The UL personality type MAY include a component of ‘entitlement’ to wit the person does not feel the need to follow the rules of competition, horse care or business, or really anything they don’t want to do just because they are who they are.
I find it sad that the UL aura can sucks folks in and then the UL personality takes over for control and manipulation. I am sure it happens every day.

I know what I expect from a professional:
Knowing the rules and always following them. Every one. Every time. Keeping the owner involved with the every day care of their horse (as much as they want to be). Putting the welfare of the horse first at all times. Knowing which are appropriate clients to take on and when to help one move on, for whatever reason - professionally. Always being tactful and professional in dealing with new, present and past clients, as well as the ‘horse world’ in general.
Never ‘bad-mouthing’ anyone. A professional can relay information in the right way no matter the situation. And of course more I’m not including here.

I don’t think any of the above expectations are unrealistic. The folks who can do all of them well are true professionals in my book, no matter what level they ride at today or tomorrow.

[sunhawk]

agree WBmom, the pro should be setting a stellar example considering the young people that the pro can be influencing. If we want a young generation coming on, they need to learn horsemanship, and they need good role models.

[Ibex]

Did anyone catch that the trainer being discussed is one of the “save of the year” finalists on EN?

[babecakes]

I’m in the camp that it is best to post what is relative to the point of the thread and her being in the save of the yr does not have any bearing on her morals or behavior.

[MinnieMouse]

[QUOTE=Ibex;8991812]
Did anyone catch that the trainer being discussed is one of the “save of the year” finalists on EN?[/QUOTE]

She almost had a rotational because she missed her spot and rode the fence poorly. The focus has been on her not falling off when the horse almost rotated - which is, admittedly, no small achievement. However, her horse did just as much of the work.

What I don’t understand is why is your horse almost flipping over a fence a good thing? If I were her, i would be mortified. But that’s just me. Those are not the kind of saves that I would be proud of personally.

After the fence was good riding on both their parts - they managed to stick the landing. However, before the fence, she didn’t set her horse up for success. Hence, why she made this list. You make this list if you don’t read your line right, have a mishap and you have to “stick the landing.”

[lucegoose]

[QUOTE=MinnieMouse;8992415]
She almost had a rotational because she missed her spot and rode the fence poorly. The focus has been on her not falling off when the horse almost rotated - which is, admittedly, no small achievement. However, her horse did just as much of the work.

What I don’t understand is why is your horse almost flipping over a fence a good thing? If I were her, i would be mortified. But that’s just me. Those are not the kind of saves that I would be proud of personally.

After the fence was good riding on both their parts - they managed to stick the landing. However, before the fence, she didn’t set her horse up for success. Hence, why she made this list. You make this list if you don’t read your line right, have a mishap and you have to “stick the landing.”[/QUOTE]

Seeing as some riders who almost never, ever, miss were on the list as well (Kim S and PD) I think you’re being rather snarky. It was a bad fence on a 4 star course in tough conditions. I won’t pretend to critique that.

By all means, crucify her for the reported bad attitude, poor horsemanship and negligence, but this part is a bit petty.

I would totally understand someone who had personally been victimized by this person being upset that she continues to get positive press from EN and would probably share my dismay with them.

[MinnieMouse]

[QUOTE=lucegoose;8992478]
Seeing as some riders who almost never, ever, miss were on the list as well (Kim S and PD) I think you’re being rather snarky. It was a bad fence on a 4 star course in tough conditions. I won’t pretend to critique that.

By all means, crucify her for the reported bad attitude, poor horsemanship and negligence, but this part is a bit petty.

I would totally understand someone who had personally been victimized by this person being upset that she continues to get positive press from EN and would probably share my dismay with them.[/QUOTE]

You missed the point of my comment. And if you read the last line, it referred to all of the riders who made the list. If you make the list, you and/or your horse missed but you stuck the landing. My only point was that neither makes you a great or terrible rider. It only means you missed and stuck the landing. I didn’t want the person who referred to think that somehow qualfied anyone as good or bad based on that.

There was no snarky intent in the comment.

[IrishWillow]

I was disappointed to see her on the “best save” list from EN as well… however, its based on that I struggle with how, on the one hand, we can claim to be taking safety concerns with UL eventing seriously, and on the other hand, glorifying what was a half second away from a rotational. Kim and Phil’s “saves” were more in the “wow, that horse did something amazing” category. Rotational falls are one of, if not THE, largest safety issue the general public has with eventing, and I do feel, as I did when EN originally posted EDHs save after Rolex, that glorifying something that was an instant from going terribly wrong is a TERRIBLE idea.

[JER]

[QUOTE=IrishWillow;8992920]
I was disappointed to see her on the “best save” list from EN as well… [/QUOTE]

Agreed.

It’s hard to see it as a ‘great save’ for sticking on when you’ve only just managed to avoid killing your horse and/or yourself.

The other saves were not mishaps of this nature. I’m not sure that EN has the collective intelligence to know the difference.

[Risk-Averse_Rider]

Did you mean “magical”? The “majickal” confused me. Sorry, not sure you are being intentionally rude, or if I’m taking it that way or that you simply believe me to be obtuse.

It’s a COTH thing. Parelli has a majikal effect on all “pet the pony” type of owners.

Emily

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And mustn’t forget the majickal Gypsy Vanners!

[pictureonemore]

What I find interesting is a recent picture EDH shared to social media of her kids schooling at Texas Rose yesterday with one of her dogs off leash in the photo. Could this dog be the one mentioned in previous statements who runs loose during events chasing riders who were riding cross country and also urinated on a person(s) despite the “invisible verbal leash”? I sadly do not think I’m mistaken, and that just shows, in my opinion, a flagrant disregard for the rules of Texas Rose and lack of respect for all those who attend or even run the grounds. :eek:

[IrishWillow]

[QUOTE=JER;8992998]
Agreed.

It’s hard to see it as a ‘great save’ for sticking on when you’ve only just managed to avoid killing your horse and/or yourself.[/QUOTE]

Spot on. Im 100% glad for both Ellen and Obie that it was a “save” and not a tragedy. But lets not glorify it, EN.

[Risk-Averse_Rider]

vxf111 wrote:

“Compare it to Zika (spread by, inter alia, mosquitos).”

Just gotta love someone who slips some Latin into a thread like this. That is all.

Carry on!

[Vani]

[QUOTE=pictureonemore;8993120]
What I find interesting is a recent picture EDH shared to social media of her kids schooling at Texas Rose yesterday with one of her dogs off leash in the photo. Could this dog be the one mentioned in previous statements who runs loose during events chasing riders who were riding cross country and also urinated on a person(s) despite the “invisible verbal leash”? I sadly do not think I’m mistaken, and that just shows, in my opinion, a flagrant disregard for the rules of Texas Rose and lack of respect for all those who attend or even run the grounds. :eek: [/QUOTE]

I was the one that mentioned the dog peeing so I had to go look at to confirm. Yes, the dog in the picture is Jesse. I don’t know why she continues to let him run around off leash because everyone complains about it. Other people in the area have multiple dogs and don’t have trouble following the leach rule. Heck, Mike Huber has around 4-5 dachshunds and he never fails to have all of them on a leash. It not hard to just snap on a leash!!