My trainer told me I am too heavy for a horse...and that was ok

Exploding Pony I know that I would be a more effective rider if I weighed less. My trainer knows that I know it. All overweight riders know that. No need for my trainer to harp on it. Her job is to help me the best rider I can be today…as I improve and get stronger / fitter, our training program changes. If I also end up getting lighter our program will change then too.

I am not a “serious” rider, although I take it seriously. I am an overweight, middle-aged, fearful, rusty re-rider. I ride 4-5 days a week and compete at Training Level. My horse and I are never going to be Olympic contenders, nor do we want to be. (Especially him LOL). I enjoy the partnership with my horse, the challenge of learning new things and the satisfaction of occasionally mastering them. But mostly it is for fun.

That is also part of a trainer’s job - making sure they understand the rider’s own goals.

[QUOTE=BigMama1;8728438]
Exploding Pony I know that I would be a more effective rider if I weighed less. My trainer knows that I know it. All overweight riders know that. No need for my trainer to harp on it. Her job is to help me the best rider I can be today…as I improve and get stronger / fitter, our training program changes. If I also end up getting lighter our program will change then too.

I am not a “serious” rider, although I take it seriously. I am an overweight, middle-aged, fearful, rusty re-rider. I ride 4-5 days a week and compete at Training Level. My horse and I are never going to be Olympic contenders, nor do we want to be. (Especially him LOL). I enjoy the partnership with my horse, the challenge of learning new things and the satisfaction of occasionally mastering them. But mostly it is for fun.

That is also part of a trainer’s job - making sure they understand the rider’s own goals.[/QUOTE]

Super post, thanks for sharing your experience. And enjoy your riding! :slight_smile:

I don’t think I ever suggested that your trainer harp on it.

And I totally agree with you - the thing that I value the most is partnership with my horse. That’s what it’s all about!

[QUOTE=BigMama1;8727360]
I don’t know if I’d call it fat shaming but it’s definitely judging someone based on your standards. Someone’s reasons, excuses, etc for being overweight have zero bearing on your life - there is no justification for being annoyed by them, or for deciding someone is “grossly unhealthy” without knowing anything about them other than how they look. If someone is unwilling or unable to make the changes needed to lose weight, that is their issue, not anyone else’s.

Thats why my trainer’s approach is refreshing. She knows I’m not happy with my weight and that I’m making changes to be fitter and stronger. She helps me be the best rider I can be right now and my weight doesn’t come into except when relevant - like in the case with my friend’s horse[/QUOTE]

I think that is very important information that your trainer has given to you and, you may be in a position to help other people regarding the weight carrying qualities of horses.

This is information and education about conformation that is important, and that you can share with others. As your trainer mentioned, it is not all about the height of the horse.

I think I would be a good help if you were to continue to study the weight bearing qualities of horses via your trainer, and with other research as well. You can then educate others. A win/win situation for all involved.

OP, I saw the video of you riding in a thread you put up last month, about getting your horse to move forward. I don’t remember you on your horse as looking particularly heavy :). I was looking at how the horse was going, more than at you, but rider weight was just not something that jumped out at me.

Bigmama1 you put a smile on my face. I love your self-awareness and confidence. Thanks for sharing.

Thanks Scribbler :slight_smile: I am 5’7 so carry it better than I would if shorter, but at a solid 200-205lbs my weight is definitely a factor. Plus I think my 17h draft cross makes my butt look smaller LOL

It isn’t always the actual weight that makes a person a heavy rider or unsuitable to ride a certain horse. I taught one person who was not particularly overweight but she would sit too far back on the saddle so her legs were not supporting the weight. The horse ended up with a sore back.

For sure it’s a combination of weight, weight distribution, balance and riding skill. That’s why blanket weight limits aren’t particularly helpful and why people need to listen to their coaches / trainers and be willing to accept that not every horse is suitable for them

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Not sure where the words “grossly unhealthy” were lost on so many? Healthy/unhealthy are not my standards - no one who is super obese is healthy, nor is someone who is whatever is the medical term for the opposite (anorexic is the behavior, I assume, so not sure of the term) And if someone is grossly unhealthy and is okay with it, so be it, but if they act as though they have no control over their health AND bring up the topic to me, then yeah, I will not support their way of thinking. And again, healthy comes in a wide variety of shapes/sizes. I will caveat with the hopefully obvious - there are some legitimate disabilities that prevent some individuals from being “fit” but the people that I argue with are those who make poor choices but act as though their health is just visited upon them, AND then try to convince me of that point.

What I willfully think is shameful are people who COULD be healthier making excuses and acting as though those of us who try to be healthy (not a certain size, but HEALTHY) don’t have to make conscious decisions to achieve good health.[/QUOTE]

Why the heck is the state of ANYONE else’s “health,” something you think you’re entitled to judge them on? First of all, “health” is not a state that can readily be seen from outside–if that was the case, why are we paying all those doctors? AND, it’s about the most PRIVATE matter I can think of. It really isn’t anyone else’s business. Unfortunately, today we have a billions-dollar industry wrongfully trying to convince us that a larger body size=unhealthy. WRONG. By the actual numbers, the “healthiest” BMI, that with the LOWEST morbidity and mortality, for active people is between 25 and 33! Feel free to go look that up; the bibliography is extensive.

Age and “health” most often have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with each other. These days, “health” is being used as justification for shaming ordinary, healthy people into the invidious belief that there is some biological reason they are not an arbitrary “right” size–which the culture since 1920 has progressively ratcheted down, currently to actual emaciation. There are complex sociological issues in play behind that phenomenon that are beyond the scope of this thread. At the moment, thinness is being taken as a pseudo upper-class marker, and extreme exercise as virtue signaling. Full stop.

There IS no “right” size. There is the genetic and age-related size you ARE, and there are as many of those as there are people. Furthermore, most of us WILL age into larger sizes between age 40 and 55 inevitably. There is no legitimate medical justification for anyone starving, purging, etc. to change your body type as long as you can move around and do what you want.

I’m pretty happy I weigh what I do; if I didn’t, I’d be seriously lacking in the necessary ballast to throw behind that bogged-down wheelbarrow :stuck_out_tongue: I’m also a fine, buxom size 16 these days, and just got back from a 2-hour trail ride on my fourteen-three’er who was trying to take off the whole darn time!

Just live as active a life as you feel like doing; very few of us will die from “lack of exercise” just because we don’t run marathon or do CrossFit. Walking with dogs, barn work, gardening, even grooming and tacking up all contributes to an “active” life. As others have mentioned, there are also a great many medicines, disabilities, injuries, etc. that might keep any given person from being as fit as they’d like. Just get back to us when your knee or hip blows out, and let us know how those “lazy” people get fat from “poor choices,” OK? :rolleyes:

OP, I think you AND your trainer ROCK, so ride on and keep up the good work having FUN and post regularly as you make progress! :smiley:

And if someone is grossly unhealthy and is okay with it, so be it, but if they act as though they have no control over their health AND bring up the topic to me, then yeah, I will not support their way of thinking.

I am grossly unhealthy as you put it. Please remember there are those of us who do the best we can. Some health issues are unable to be fixed, worked around, or dealt with. If I chose to discuss my health issues with a friend and they treated me the way your post sounds I would be devastated and possibly one friend less.

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And if someone is grossly unhealthy and is okay with it, so be it, but if they act as though they have no control over their health AND bring up the topic to me, then yeah, I will not support their way of thinking.

I am grossly unhealthy as you put it. Please remember there are those of us who do the best we can. Some health issues are unable to be fixed, worked around, or dealt with. If I chose to discuss my health issues with a friend and they treated me the way your post sounds I would be devastated and possibly one friend less.[/QUOTE]

So true. I was really shocked by some of the responses to the last plus-sized rider thread. Everyone has their own struggles and issues and are doing the best they can. The idea that we need to be told that weight is a health issue and we should just “move more and eat less” is patronizing and insulting.

The difference is for overweight people some of those issues are visible to the outside world and for some reason that makes others feel ok about judging them. That “grossly unhealthy” person may have already lost a significant amount of weight or made other lifestyle changes to be healthier, but all the stranger sees is a fat slob. We don’t know where anyone else is in their life journey so let’s just embrace them for who they are today, not who we think they should be tomorrow.

I love this post. I am a h/j coach, but started riding dressage when an old injury and a case of anxiety prevented me from jumping sticks anymore. I have struggled with my weight my entire life. Yes, there are medical issues, but to be honest a big part of it was mental, and frankly a lack of education. I have lost over 100 pounds more than once (had a mini stroke in between, gained it back, lost 115 pounds again this year), but the thing that really did help me was better understanding the food I was eating, and also forgiving myself for the demons I had been carrying for so long–deciding to love myself enough to want to make a change and be healthier in mind and body. I hated myself and had so much internal negative thoughts that getting healthy wasn’t even a consideration. Why bother? But dealing with the things that lead me to food as a coping mechanism and trying to get my health under control has lifted weight off my body–but moreover, off my mind.

As an instructor, I wasn’t always taken seriously because I didn’t look the part. It wasn’t until they actually saw me coaching or saw the results that I would actually gain respect (although let’s be honest–credibility should be proven, not assumed). Neverthless, I have been bullied a great deal by the horse industry.

It is hard to be ‘less than ideal’ in this sport, but I do agree that if you expect your horse to be an athlete, you should expect that of yourself, as well. I want to be a better rider, which in turn will make me a better coach. I want to be a healthier, more productive version of myself. I also want those that judge an overweight person to remember that you don’t know where they are in their journey. If you met me 5 months ago when I was 50 pounds heavier, would you still shake your head at me if you knew that I was already 50+ pounds down from 5 months prior? Plenty of people have vices and coping mechanisms—some just aren’t quite as obvious as food.

I’m currently 30 pounds overweight and am an adult re-rider. Took about 3 years off after my horse was PTS. Back riding, but doing hunters (or as my trainer calls it, “English.”). I am just walking and trotting now, on a 15 h on a good day TB cross who is a saint. Sunday I looked in the mirror as I was posting and my immediate thought was “my butt looks too big in this saddle.” Next time around I thought “damn, I can really post and could win an eq class.” I used to fat shame my own body!

[QUOTE=BigMama1;8733291]
So true. I was really shocked by some of the responses to the last plus-sized rider thread. Everyone has their own struggles and issues and are doing the best they can. The idea that we need to be told that weight is a health issue and we should just “move more and eat less” is patronizing and insulting…[/QUOTE]

really? I know that I’m not doing the best that I can. I was shocked how close I am to being overweight. I honestly think if many of us took a hard look in the mirror- we can do more. Most people really really don’t work out much. I think you are the exception here, very admirable. As I said before, I don’t think any of us get off easy no matter out weight and “hate on” ourselves. So let’s quit thinking those who are skinny/not fat have a fairy fun time of it. Not true. Don’t play so much a victim, ok? I’m not going to mettle in your business but please see that this goes both ways. Show me any dressage rider that loves how they sit on a horse and then we’ll talk! :wink:

You shouldn’t be shocked it comes around on every single thread that talks about weight…

My trainer rocks as well, last year there was one weight carrier at the barn, the horse I was show leasing, she needed to sell him and she offered me all sorts of deals to buy him, but sadly out of my price range, so he was sold elsewhere. I already knew that this would mean the end of lessons, but the trainer was great how she brought it up, very matter of fact, we both knew there was no other suitable horse there.

LOL, as luck would have it she brought in a draft cross to try as a weight carrier, she wasn’t suitable for a lesson horse, but I got to buy her and she suits me fine.

everyone has issues, yes. Can someone have weight issues and seem fit? yes!

I can assure you that people really don’t care enough about others to get that into it. really.

I’m way too busy riding and training myself to have any brain space for anything else. I hope this gives comfort to those of you that seem very fragile over this and take it hard. That’s my point.

I haven’t met anyone (any size, any age) who rides dressage seriously and thinks gee, I’m rocking this video! More like eeeek! I ride like that? crap!

We are all in the same boat, Just with different paint.

is it really shaming? I’m not so sure.

I don’t think people care as much about you as you imply. :smiley: There can be comments about noticing something with out making the leap to a judgement, you know!

[QUOTE=BigMama1;8733291]
So true. I was really shocked by some of the responses to the last plus-sized rider thread. Everyone has their own struggles and issues and are doing the best they can. The idea that we need to be told that weight is a health issue and we should just “move more and eat less” is patronizing and insulting.

The difference is for overweight people some of those issues are visible to the outside world and for some reason that makes others feel ok about judging them. That “grossly unhealthy” person may have already lost a significant amount of weight or made other lifestyle changes to be healthier, but all the stranger sees is a fat slob. We don’t know where anyone else is in their life journey so let’s just embrace them for who they are today, not who we think they should be tomorrow.[/QUOTE]

Everyone is not “doing the best they can”. you don’t know that.

I also wonder if people really care as much about your weight as you think they do? I used to think people were noticing things. then I realized we are all rather self centered about our own pony and that is ok. It’s sort of the up side of self-centeredness.

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Everyone is not “doing the best they can”. you don’t know that.
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I just hate to see you so stressy about this. I think some of it might be assumptions that are not true. You are making this a collective fat vs thin thing. I really haven’t seen that happen, sorry.
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I have health issues but they are my issues. I don’t make them your issues or expect you to understand my struggles. I just deal with them.[/QUOTE]

I don’t read any stress in BM1’s posts. In fact, as a confident fat person/rider who is comfortable in my own skin, I appreciate the honest and responsible attitude she shows. And I find her posts are delivered without judgement or drama.