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“Working out” doesn’t work for most, unless they exercise obsessively like demons and never, ever stop. Double that if they’re still eating ANY refined carbs. There are randomized control trials that prove it beyond any reasonable doubt. Moderate exercise like walking is proven good for everyone; more than that is not necessary and most people find it unsustainable because they don’t enjoy it. Before 1985 gyms were for boxers and running was a fringe activity, most adults never “worked out” at all once high school and college sports were behind them.[/QUOTE]
I agree with you up to this point. You cannot out exercise a bad diet unless you are doing Micheal Phelps level work outs. Exercise can help, but only so much.
Dieting “works” only temporarily, and low-calorie diets do truly TERRIBLE things to your body.
Dieting works only temporarily for those that treat it like a temporary thing. You cannot diet the weight off and then return to overeating and expect not to gain the weight back.
Low calorie diets do nothing to your body except provide fewer calories. If you have fat reserves, your body will use those. That’s what they are for. There was a study done on a morbidly obese man who was put on a ZERO calorie diet for a YEAR (yes, you read that right!). Nothing happened except that he lost weight.
In fact, it is now thought by researchers that many of the “adverse” effects of excess weight are not from overweight itself at all–they are from cumulative years of yo-yo dieting! Any weight lost nearly ALWAYS comes back eventually, most often within two years.
No, it is not “now thought by researchers”. You’re talking about one study -the so called “Biggest Loser Study”, which found metabolic damage in Biggest Loser patients by way of some questionable math. I’ve addressed the math in another thread, but I’ll repost here if you’d like.
The simple truth is that most of us are genetically hardwired to stay at a certain set-point, which just happens to be 10-50 lbs. higher than today’s arbitrarily-constructed, emaciated cultural ideal.
Lol no - set point theory is 100% made up. And being within the healthy weight range is hardly emaciated. For my height, 164lbs is the upper limit of healthy. I currently weigh 135 lbs and have visible fat. My parents are both obese, btw, so it isn’t genetics.
Think you can defeat homeostasis? Hell, I thought I could. Just a matter of discipline, right? Ate like a cave woman, lost 25 and kept it off for nearly 6 years; then, at that “certain age,” back to where I started. For keeps now that I know what science actually has shown to be true. There’s no danger in it, quite the contrary. An aunt the same shape is now 93 and driving her frail friends all over town to their appointments.
It really just takes continuous discipline. And calorie counting. I lost 80 lbs. I haven’t gained an ounce back, and it’s been several years. I won’t gain an ounce back, either, because I track my calories. 1lb = roughly 3500 calories. It’s simple math.
A size 14-16 is actually the AVERAGE size for American women. I’m smack in the middle of the bell curve for my age and height. While no one would look at me and say, “there goes a FAT woman,” I’m not stupid enough to appear in public in a bikini, either.
2/3rds of American adults are overweight. 40% of American women are obese. Average for an American is going to be borderline obese. This is not a good thing.
Those seeking one of the best reads on the subject, pick up The Obesity Myth by Paul Campos. Primary sources are cited in extensive end-noting to back up everything he says.
And it’s all BS. But I’m glad it makes you feel better about your life.
I really enjoy, Lady E, how if you’ve failed at something, it means that it is “LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE for anyone else!”
Except that it isn’t. I really really didn’t want to participate in this thread any further, but everything you’ve said is just so…incorrect. It’s damaging. Really.
To all of you that are struggling to lose weight (for those of you who wish to lose weight), it is not impossible. It is not even that complicated. Calories in, calories out.
Yes, there will be times when it is very hard. When I was eating 1200 calories a day to lose, there were days that I was very unhappy. But I was never as unhappy about my diet as I was about the size of my ass.
Now, I’m a healthy weight. I count my calories to stay that weight. I’m happy. I don’t deny myself food that I want, I simply account for it.
It really does work.
I am 5’7 so carry it better than I would if shorter, but at a solid 200-205lbs my weight is definitely a factor. Plus I think my 17h draft cross makes my butt look smaller LOL[/QUOTE]
