The 45’ line that THEY sell comes with a ‘biner snap. You’re right, the 12’ and 22’ lines do not.
I think I have seen other 45’ lines that also have the 'biner snap. It’s NOT just PNH.
Honestly, I think some of the issue people have with PNH equipment is purely because it’s associated with PNH. You never hear of this stuff in relation to anyone else.
Ugh. I can’t tell you how LITTLE USE I have for 45’ line. Too much rope/line hanging around. Skip straight to liberty, IMHO.
Anyway, a carabiner is a pretty dumb thing to have on a lead, I agree there.
Well I must admit that I like Anderson and have learned some good stuff from watching his show. BUT the Parelli stuff I just don’t get and I agree the only people I see following him are people that are too scared to get on. It’s ashame but I guess it gives people a way to work with their horses without getting hurt.
I just realized how to resolve the problem.
Invent your own NH guru.
Whenever anyone tries to tell you what to do, tell them, 'OH, I am a student of <your guru>, haven’t you ever heard of him? ’ You are ALWAYS about to go off on some clinic with this guy. Every time you’re gone from the barn, you’re attending a clinic with this guy or having a retreat at his ranch.
It needs to be a man, from some exotic country that people know very little about; more risky is having him be from some spot in the USA, just be sure it’s an area no one knows anything about and that none of the other NH gurus come from.
He was raised by wolverines, or flamingos, so of course he has an intimate knowledge of how animals think which he applies in new and unheard of ever before ways to horses. He learned about horses sitting at the knee of his wise grand father, who was in…oh hell, some cavalry or the other, but be SURE that somewhere in there, you throw some cowboys, preferably some old grizzled ones, and some Native Americans.
Instead of a carrot stick, he uses the pelt of a baby wolverine, wound meticulously around a sprig of rabbit gnawed hickory, and bound with babiche.
He could be a Basque. Itzaina Apezetxea.
Gee slc2, that sounds like that Ga-Wan-Do-Ga-Pony Guy! LOL- complete with certificate of authentication…
Interesting…thought
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This thread reminds me of the Ron L. Hubbard quote (which is ironic in its own right):
“You want to get rich, you start a religion”.[/QUOTE]
B-I-N-G-O
I like it! Perhaps he’s from the farthest reaches of Mongolia, descended from Gengis Khan?
Or a Cossack.
Whatever he is, wherever he comes from, he must be handsome enough to make horsewomen swoon and horsemen jealous. (Or make horsemen swoon and horsewomen jealous…)
Oh, yes, there was a WHOLE LOT of wrong going on there. Said boarder was eventually booted and banned… for other stuff as well - nothing to do so much with the NH training incident.
This is a great solution. haha.
I’m sorry but i am having a hard time with picturing someone who came up with the login TrotTrotPumpkin, doing a wrath-of-God thing on someone who messes with her horse. I mean, I hope you do, but…
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Well, I for one don’t want my horse leaving town the first/next time a plastic bag blows by us at a show 
Honestly, some of you “normal” people could learn a lot from the desensitization stuff that NH folks, and Western folks, do to their horses. Sure, one can take it too far, and some do, but I really just laugh at people on this forum and the H/J forum who are so peeved at what someone else is doing that causes THEIR horse to get upset. It’s YOUR job to teach your horse to behave when spooked. You cannot ever show him everything that he’ll ever encounter, but you can expose him to a lot of different things that are easy to do at your house/barn that can teach him the proper response.[/QUOTE]
Ok, someone walking in my pasture with a bag on a stick is going to get a reaction out of my horses…ALL OF THEM. From the big lazy Perch gelding to the 30 year old pony mare, BECAUSE, that would be something that has probably never EVER happened to them on my farm. Now, in a different environment, I could see both of them completely ignoring the entire thing. On the other hand, my TB, gets s-o used to being on this farm with pastures completely surrounded by woods, that taking him to wide open spaces can throw him for a loop! He worries about things moving w-a-y out in the distance, which he doesn’t have here. Its stimuli, mother nature will win. He’s thinking I’m outta here!
Horses and horsemen have been around for a long time. But horses STILL have the thought pattern of flight, it has not changed in a ga-zillion years! PP, and the rest of the natural horseman have NOT convinced me that they have this huge insight into changing an animal, not a human with reasoning powers, to change what human nature has given horses to survive. A sense of flight.
Sorry, I’m just not a big fan. Had I not grown up with traditionalist as mentors, maybe I would think differently. Maybe if I was a yuppie, new into horses, wanting to learn how to do something with my horse, I MAYBE then would listen. Maybe…
Good luck wit dat job of teaching your horse to behave when spooked.
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politely ignoring- just like I politely ignored the boarder with the hoola hoops, free lunging in the arena (While I was riding), getting them to stand on the mounting block-
Fortunately they moved…[/QUOTE]
Do we board at the same barn? I was teaching a student, who has confidence issue with her horse. I put her name down for the use of arena. Then this PP type had to show up with balls, hoola hoops and circus stand. I of course had to speak up. You can say it is a great desensitize lesson… well apparently my student didn’t pay me to desensitize her horse. And what good does it do, if her horse loves the balls, hoola hoops and circus stand on the ground, but she couldn’t trot for 5 strides without curling into a ball.
Here is my RANT. I feel soooo sorry for the horse. Horses do not understand balls, hoola hoops and circus stands. They only know you ask them do something, they do it. Those colorful props that seem to mean a lot or prove a lot in the eyes of the non-horsemen, are no more than PP’s way of impressing or increasing interest for the inexperienced.
And they call their style “natural”, with the arena littered with props and human toys.
This story reminds me of my young horse and how a year of his life was spent. I have a very nice ISH gelding, who at the time was 5. The owner then (who is one of the most kind hearted individuals I have met, and gave me this horse) was very in to natural horsemanship. He was busy with a full-time job and didn’t have much time to ride, but he boarded at a friend’s barn who did a lot of this Parelli. So gradually over this period of a year, the people at the barn started to “work” him, but just with in Parelli-- no riding. Just the Parelli alone totally did not work for him. What seemed to happen was that the people working with him were scared to ride him, probably being the fiesty thing he is, so they just did natural horsemanship, but never said they weren’t riding. So obviously none of this never translated to anything in the saddle.
It didn’t take any time at all really to get him back into work, but it validated to me that there are other ways of achieving results without waving my finger to them and using a carrot stick.
I can’t even tell the story I heard from teh folks who went on the celebrity ride with Gawani, it was hysterical.
Maybe I can.
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I can’t even tell the story I heard from teh folks who went on the celebrity ride with Gawani, it was hysterical.
Maybe I can.[/QUOTE]
Please do…
Well, I wasn’t there, but the way I was told this highly unlikely tale, breech clouts cause very serious problems on celebrity trail rides, even within a few minutes of commencement on flat, prepared terrain at a walk, even with a male also-breech clouted, and very buff - assistant - to help out, and even with riding what one very outspoken lady described as not long for the “walk with the ancestors” (which I thought was highly exaggerated, as you can imagine), leading to the surprisingly perjorative epithet my two acquaintances provided for mr gawani, which I of course thought was totally scandalous and terribly unfair, and is abbreviated CBB.
That just proves how little you know about what “they” try to do with their horses.
You like them, other people don’t. It doesn’t mean they ‘know so little’, it means they don’t like these guy’s methods.
You’re entitled to like them, but others are entitled not to like them, without being accused of ‘knowing so little’. Maybe they just see it differently from you. A negative opinion is just as valuable and legitimate as a positive one, even if it’s you that has the positive opinion.
It’s all been said in regard to PP, JL, MR, DR, CA, CC, etc. There is so much information out there I guess people have to grab on to one trainer and follow only them or their head might explode. Beginning riders now have the whole world of trainers from Pat Parelli to Jane Savoie at their finger tips by way of the keyboard. When I was starting (I’m almost 60)out we were limited to whomever decided to write a book. This is a dressage board and most posters here are not going to rally around a non-dressage trainer…but wait…I forgot… the Parellis have finally realized that all those ODGs might have really known what they were doing and dressage done correctly, makes the horse more beautiful, fit and a true pleasure to ride.
One must remember it’s all just someone else’s opinion. Whether you are PP or WAZ. I am one of those people who watch them all and take what I can use from each but I find myself always going back to the ODGs for sage advice.
It has nothing to do with me liking or not. I just find it very sad that someone who uses “different” methods to play with/train/desensitize their horse is labeled a fruitcake and weird and not normal, then it automatically gets lumped into the NH world, then out comes the “it’s not even natural to ride a horse, much less play with it with beach balls, why do they call themselves natural horsemen?” That tells me they do NOT understand what NH, the GOOD stuff, the good training, is all about.
If MORE people would use all these “unnatural” props to help desensitize their horses, they and their horses would be a lot better off. I mean really, there are so many threads over the years on the H/J forum alone about people who can’t even trail ride their Hunter because the horse has no idea what to do in an open space, if a deer pops out (remember the thread here about someone wanting to know how to get rid of the deer so they didn’t spook their horse?) or who wigs out just passing mailboxes or trashcans.
That is what those “unnatural” folks are doing - helping prepare their horses, in a fun way, to deal with whatever life throws at them. It’s your choice to make a safe horse or not. How you choose to do it is up to you. But to belittle someone because they choose “human toys” to do that…
[QUOTE=slc2;4222160]
I just realized how to resolve the problem.
Invent your own NH guru.
Whenever anyone tries to tell you what to do, tell them, 'OH, I am a student of <your guru>, haven’t you ever heard of him? ’ You are ALWAYS about to go off on some clinic with this guy. Every time you’re gone from the barn, you’re attending a clinic with this guy or having a retreat at his ranch.
It needs to be a man, from some exotic country that people know very little about; more risky is having him be from some spot in the USA, just be sure it’s an area no one knows anything about and that none of the other NH gurus come from.
He was raised by wolverines, or flamingos, so of course he has an intimate knowledge of how animals think which he applies in new and unheard of ever before ways to horses. He learned about horses sitting at the knee of his wise grand father, who was in…oh hell, some cavalry or the other, but be SURE that somewhere in there, you throw some cowboys, preferably some old grizzled ones, and some Native Americans.
Instead of a carrot stick, he uses the pelt of a baby wolverine, wound meticulously around a sprig of rabbit gnawed hickory, and bound with babiche.
He could be a Basque. Itzaina Apezetxea.[/QUOTE]
I think I found him. . .on YouTube, of all places!
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