Is it just me, but isn’t all evidence prejudicial ?
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Why are you paraphrasing other people without properly giving credit? Honestly? This makes you totally uncredible. If you want people to think bad thoughts about Parra, you are actually hurting your intentions.
I am not paraphrasing. Had you read the thread you would of seen that it was posted by Norton. I copied it directly. Posted on May 6, 2015 at 4:40 to be exact.
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I am not paraphrasing. Had you read the thread you would of seen that it was posted by Norton. I copied it directly. Posted on May 6, 2015 at 4:40 to be exact.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn’t “of” seen anything.
I would HAVE seen it. And in fact did. However, someone else could have easily missed it, and you should have given credit in the first place when you copied it, instead of pasting it in as if it were your own.
PappyBuck, do you know anything about logical fallacies?
What about this one:
Appeal to Pity - attempts to persuade using emotion (specifically, sympathy) rather than evidence.
Honestly, with you advising TM and goading her on, it’s no wonder she lost the case. [edit]
Your right lets get back to the basis of this story, injuring William and those that have witnessed personally this type of training before: THIS STORY MUST OF HIT A NERVE
I’ve stayed out of this discussion for years because I don’t want his lawyers finding me and threatening me. He makes me so sick to my stomach that I’m going to say what I personally witnessed in only a few hours. He got on a young horse. The horse was a little balky. He beat the H*** out of it until it was terrified and rearing. Then he GOT OFF and put the whip behind his back to put as much force into the beating as possible. He got back on and continued to beat him. He didn’t tell me he was sorry he did it. He told me he was sorry I witnessed it. All but one horse that I saw that day was ridden in a double bridle, with its head tied almost to its chest with two lines coming from the girth in between the front legs, giant rowel spurs, and a whip. He rode by me on a Grand Prix horse and kicked him so hard with the
spurs that blood spurted and ran down the horse’s sides. He had young riders using the same equipment. If the horse had reared, it never would have been able to use its neck as a balancing pole to regain footing. It would have flipped over backwards. I’m assuming that’s what happened to William. I sincerely thought I would throw up and I never went back, but it haunts me.
Yes. It broke my heart when it was originally posted. It made me want to never think about dressage again. By the original poster.
It became annoying when it was pasted with no reference to the original poster multiple times to a single page. By someone who has no relation to the original post. Over and over again.
Sorry, It was posting error, no bad intent. Clearly I think it is incredibly important and brave of what this person had to say. As far as posting it multiple times , its because the same group of people that for years have tried to deflect the conversation or ignore it, as in the the case of Norton. I get they are Parra supporters, but you can’t stop the rest of the world from having an opinion and quite frankly I think in some respects they have fueled the conversation.
Thank you Norton for having the guts to say something. These stories have circulated for years about this guy.
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Ok moderators …time to close this thread!!
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PappyBuck, do you know anything about logical fallacies?
What about this one:
Appeal to Pity - attempts to persuade using emotion (specifically, sympathy) rather than evidence.
Honestly, with you advising TM and goading her on, it’s no wonder she lost the case. I am not sure who is the bigger idiot - her, or her attorney.[/QUOTE]
Really ?? :lol:
Pot meet kettle.
Before this thread gets closed, ponypappy, how exactly is William?
Is he able to be turned out? Eating OK? Is he still a stallion?
He is the center of all of this and I must have missed reading about
his condition.
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DownYonder, While your are trying to deflect from the story lets go back to the facts. This is a list of cases I know about of the cuff:
Previous case in Palm Beach settled with Ins. Co (need to check year)
Pessler vs Parra
Sparks vs Parra
Morgan vs Parra
Buck vs Parra
Miranda vs Parra
These don’t include the ones in Germany he is involved in.
I hope Trudy Miranda appeals her case. The lack of evidence allowed into court should be appealable according to the attorneys I have talked to.[/QUOTE]
REALLY! You are going to use Allan Buck, Anne Sparks, and Trudy Miranda to make your case? [edit]
Allan Buck [edit] sued so many people, companies, and government - they have a permanent file on him!
Anne Sparks has a personal vendetta that has nothing to do with facts or legal standing.
Trudy Miranda has more evidence that SHE is an abusive horse owner, than anyone else!
I don’t know the other cases/people; so, I won’t comment. Unlike you, some people don’t like to make things up for sport!
Oh, hey! Just for fun. Why don’t you try READING some of these cases! [edit]
Yes, the “Reverend” Buck’s lawsuit(s) do make for some entertaining reading.
They would be VERY amusing if one didn’t consider the pointless waste of time and money experienced by the court(s), and the people and organizations that he sues.
Wow, maybe you should check your facts. You sound really angry. I used this list as a history of Parra’s recent legal drama without attacking any of the parties involved. Lets get this right, Anne Sparks who was a long term sponsor of Parra, issues are all personal. You may want to tell her that! Trudy Miranda is a horse abuser. You may want to let her lawyer know that. The Pessler family made up the fact he sold them a injured horse for 650,000 dollars and I guess Dr. Morgan is some crazy nut that sued him for fraud.
Honestly, that is delusional. Oh, I forgot That he is also involved in a lawsuit against The Hunterdon County SPCA that I believe had been mentioned in an earlier post.
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Wow, maybe you should check your facts. You sound really angry. I used this list as a history of Parra’s recent legal drama without attacking any of the parties involved. Lets get this right, Anne Sparks who was a long term sponsor of Parra issues are all personal. You may want to tell her that! Trudy Miranda is a horse abuser. You may want to let her lawyer know that. The Pessler family made up the fact he sold them a injured horse for 650,000 dollars and I guess Dr. Morgan is some crazy nut that sued him for fraud.
Honestly, that is delusional. Oh, I forgot That he is also involved in a lawsuit against The Hunterdon County SPCA
Ponypappy, I know that you don’t realize this, but you seem to be abnormally zealous in your dislike of Parra.:eek: sweston is apparently just as zealous in his/her anger at your continued jabs (yes I said it Larkspur “Jabs”:lol:) on the subject.
Most of us read and thus are aware of the news, however, whatever our opinion about Cesar Parra may be, many of us are heartily sick of the drama that you are bringing to the subject.
There are people in the horse world that I really don’t like (one very powerful person in particular). I have called attention to the articles in the press that cover the controversy surrounding them and have given my opinion.
If you want to bring a subject to attention, that’s fine. When you become hysterical and quote a post repeatedly, start accusing magazines of conspiring etc…etc… it’s just weird.:no:
Skyway, I get your point but when I see the Dressage media writing articles about Parra that contain no comments from the other side. That is not journalism. My question is. Is there anyone out there writing real articles and not paid for press releases.
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I really don’t think that you get my point or you would not have written this^^.
People do write articles. They don’t include innuendo and “I know someone who saw this” statements. That’s just not the way journalism works, unless you’re a supermarket tabloid.
I am leaving this conversation now. I understand that I am banging my head against a wall and I’m really not up to it.
You have a lot of energy that could be directed to more productive outlets. :yes:
I appreciate the point made by MVP
Them’s fightin’ words from sweston.
FWIW, I don’t think COTH ought to allow this kind of “threatening the nuclear option” aka, finding a COTHer’s real identity and trashing that person’s life.
I don’t know who the OP is, who sweston is, or what ponypappy did. And I don’t care. This kind of play, IMO, is way, way too rough for this forum. I, for one, won’t stay if this kind of threat becomes par of the course here. I behave pretty cleaning on-line and IRL. But I won’t post somewhere that might mean I offend someone with a hair trigger and get my off-line life screwed up in a huge way.
Google and the interwebz in general allow enough invasion of privacy for sleuthy stalkers with an agenda. COTH, could you kindly stay out of fights like this, or at least not aid and abet someone who makes it a point to break the relative anonymity we all enjoy here?
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Ponypappy, is there any particular reason that everyone else on this forum can figure out how to use the quote function but you can’t?
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Ponypappy, is there any particular reason that everyone else on this forum can figure out how to use the quote function but you can’t?[/QUOTE]
Meh, details, details.
