[QUOTE=Elles;8083756]
I think we can conclude one thing from what a lot of people are saying here:
the people of the Holsteiner Verband must be completely out of their minds because there is already enough TB blood in the horse population and TB blood would be detrimental to show jumping ability anyway. As there is already enough blood in the Holsteiner population, TB is also not useful in the F2 or F3 generations. So TB is also not to be used now for the breed two or three generations further from now.[/QUOTE]
You clearly have not understood the argument. Some are of that opinion, some other are not. But the whole discussion was far wider than that single point. I, and many other, have repeated it at least 10 times over that post but I will try to do it again. The question is a complex one, and not simply one of pro TB or TB haters.
Everyone agrees on the impact the TB had over the years on sport horses breeding in general.
Another question is as to what TB brought to sport horse breeding. This is where the whole “TB kills the jump” comes into play. I, as many other, am of the opinion that TB have brought stamina, blood and everything generaly associated with blood in a horse. These attributes were good and needed. on the other side, I am of the opinion that although TB improved some aspects, their first products have some parts missing, including generaly the jump, hence “They kill the jump”. Does that mean they are not good for breeding? NO, they are not just not good for one aspect. But mares from TB sires, although not necessarly great sport horses in themselves, can bring other attributes to the equation, if bred back to stallions that can bring back the jump.
This being said, another aspect of the discussion was as to wether, with the actual state of the sporthorse, we still need influx of new TB blood or if all the attributes generally attributed to a TB in breeding can be found within the sporthorse population, without the downturns associated with breeding to a TB. On that point, people diverge in opinions.
Finally, another question which, in my mind has nothing to do with breeding, is does the TB or TB F1 crosses are well suited to todays sport, or if they can no longer compete with today’s purpously bred WB. It is in connection with that point that people discussed about the evolution of the TB and the WB as well as the evolution of the sport and the SJ courses. Keep in mind that a good sport horse and a good stallion is not necessarly the same. A good TB stallion that could jump bigger classes is not necessarly a stallion that have attributes required for WB breeding to transfer to its progeny. On the other side, a TB stallion that is not a great performer could have some attribute, other than jump, that could be beneficial to the WB in general.
This is a very short summary as hundred of pages would be necessary to argue on all these topics.
there were still quite a lot of Gelderlander horses left, also pure ones. And people were breeding most of these mares to Thoroughbreds.