[QUOTE=vineyridge;8089696]
I know more than you think. I know she did quite good work, published by Chris Hector, on the history of Heraldik. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if she weren’t more respected in Holstein than you are.[/QUOTE]
Ouch ! you really got me with that one Viney.
Don’t you ever get tired of having to use quotes like "I wouldn’t be at all surprised " or “I bet this or that” … Wouldn’t you actually like to KNOW what you are talking about sometimes ?
[QUOTE=SnicklefritzG;8089708]
This is so unnecessary. Please stop attacking well-respected people on this board.[/QUOTE]
No one attacked anyone. I simply made a truthful statement.
What is so unnecessary is you being the self appointed tone police. You can’t tell anyone what to do ,how to write ,how to speak or anything else…so please stop !
http://horsetalk.co.nz/2013/01/28/delilah-delights-gisborne-world-cup-leg/#axzz3WMwUUL7u
"Katie McVean showed it’s all in the breeding when it comes to super jumpers with another victory yesterday in the Bayer FEI World Cup New Zealand Series at the Larsen Sawmilling Equestrian Championships in Gisborne.
Her win on Dunstan Delilah – a first for the eight-year-old bay – was the third home-bred horse out of her father’s top jumper Flower Power to win a World Cup round."
Flower Power is the daughter of Brilliant Invader, sire of Olympic and WEG champion eventer Ready Teddy and 6 1.6m jumpers, that in spite of his being primarily a racing sire.
Sadly Dunstan Delphi must have been injured. I can’t find any results for her after 2012.
http://saudiequestrian.com/?p=7838. She was bred by the McVeans, a daughter of Flower Power, and sold to Saudi Arabian for millions. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10724381. “In what will surely be the most expensive horse ever sold out of New Zealand, nine-year-old Delphi is set to become a star for the Saudi Arabian Equestrian Federation who will co-own her with a yet un-named rider.”
Brilliant Invader’s dam sire was Agricola, a Precipitation son who was the sire of Apache, a 1.6m jumper with Vicky Roycroft. Apache won the Grand Prix of Rome. Precipitation of course was the sire of Furioso xx, who was extremely important in jumper breeding.
I wonder how many breeders other than the McVeans, if any, are using Brilliant Invader relatives. It would seem a good bet to try them.
[QUOTE=SnicklefritzG;8089708]
This is so unnecessary. Please stop attacking well-respected people on this board.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. Viney has proven herself to be very knowledge about TBs and the breeding of sport horses.
Sire of yesterday’s Wood Memorial winner, Frosted: http://www.pedigreequery.com/tapit
His stud fee would of course be waaay out of the league of jumping breeders, but he looks like a nice type for sport other than racing. I wonder about his offspring who wash out of racing.
[QUOTE=Bayhawk;8089852]
No one attacked anyone. I simply made a truthful statement.
What is so unnecessary is you being the self appointed tone police. You can’t tell anyone what to do ,how to write ,how to speak or anything else…so please stop ![/QUOTE]
If you don’t like people calling you out, then find a more productive way to discuss the topic. Just because you feel something to be a truthful statement doesn’t mean it is therefore socially acceptable to go out and express it the way you do, that is telling someone like vineyridge that she doesn’t know “who or what [she] is talking about”
[QUOTE=SnicklefritzG;8090067]
If you don’t like people calling you out, then find a more productive way to discuss the topic. Just because you feel something to be a truthful statement doesn’t mean it is therefore socially acceptable to go out and express it the way you do, that is telling someone like vineyridge that she doesn’t know “who or what [she] is talking about”[/QUOTE]
You don’t tell me what to do. Haven’t you figured that out yet ?
"Socially acceptable " ? So now YOU define what that is ? Who do you think you are ?
And it is many times proven that Viney very often doesn’t know what she is talking about…oops ,I said it again.
[QUOTE=grayarabpony;8089935]
http://horsetalk.co.nz/2013/01/28/delilah-delights-gisborne-world-cup-leg/#axzz3WMwUUL7u
"Katie McVean showed it’s all in the breeding when it comes to super jumpers with another victory yesterday in the Bayer FEI World Cup New Zealand Series at the Larsen Sawmilling Equestrian Championships in Gisborne.
Her win on Dunstan Delilah – a first for the eight-year-old bay – was the third home-bred horse out of her father’s top jumper Flower Power to win a World Cup round."
Flower Power is the daughter of Brilliant Invader, sire of Olympic and WEG champion eventer Ready Teddy and 6 1.6m jumpers, that in spite of his being primarily a racing sire.
Sadly Dunstan Delphi must have been injured. I can’t find any results for her after 2012.
http://saudiequestrian.com/?p=7838. She was bred by the McVeans, a daughter of Flower Power, and sold to Saudi Arabian for millions. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10724381. “In what will surely be the most expensive horse ever sold out of New Zealand, nine-year-old Delphi is set to become a star for the Saudi Arabian Equestrian Federation who will co-own her with a yet un-named rider.”
Brilliant Invader’s dam sire was Agricola, a Precipitation son who was the sire of Apache, a 1.6m jumper with Vicky Roycroft. Apache won the Grand Prix of Rome. Precipitation of course was the sire of Furioso xx, who was extremely important in jumper breeding.
I wonder how many breeders other than the McVeans, if any, are using Brilliant Invader relatives. It would seem a good bet to try them.[/QUOTE]
Do you have a link to the pedigrees of these horses?
http://www.pedigreequery.com/chase+the+memory
Here is my mother’s boy–maybe we will try him on something someday before we are all too ancient!
[QUOTE=grayarabpony;8089935]
http://horsetalk.co.nz/2013/01/28/delilah-delights-gisborne-world-cup-leg/#axzz3WMwUUL7u
"Katie McVean showed it’s all in the breeding when it comes to super jumpers with another victory yesterday in the Bayer FEI World Cup New Zealand Series at the Larsen Sawmilling Equestrian Championships in Gisborne.
Her win on Dunstan Delilah – a first for the eight-year-old bay – was the third home-bred horse out of her father’s top jumper Flower Power to win a World Cup round."
Flower Power is the daughter of Brilliant Invader, sire of Olympic and WEG champion eventer Ready Teddy and 6 1.6m jumpers, that in spite of his being primarily a racing sire.
Sadly Dunstan Delphi must have been injured. I can’t find any results for her after 2012.
http://saudiequestrian.com/?p=7838. She was bred by the McVeans, a daughter of Flower Power, and sold to Saudi Arabian for millions. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10724381. “In what will surely be the most expensive horse ever sold out of New Zealand, nine-year-old Delphi is set to become a star for the Saudi Arabian Equestrian Federation who will co-own her with a yet un-named rider.”
Brilliant Invader’s dam sire was Agricola, a Precipitation son who was the sire of Apache, a 1.6m jumper with Vicky Roycroft. Apache won the Grand Prix of Rome. Precipitation of course was the sire of Furioso xx, who was extremely important in jumper breeding.
I wonder how many breeders other than the McVeans, if any, are using Brilliant Invader relatives. It would seem a good bet to try them.[/QUOTE]
When horses leave for these petro teams, you never know if you will see them again. They bought many many great horses over the year, and have very few riders of the quality to ride the biggest events. They bought horses that many top class riders dream about, and they becaume 3rd or 4th ride of an average rider. To the best of my knowledge the same ting happened to Paloubet d’Halong. I don’t think he did many things since his very publicized sale through Jan Tops. If we put our heads together, I am sure we can put together a list of those horses that disapeared after being sold. I do not know how true it is, but I have been told by someone generaly well conencted that they bought horses turning on the big circuit and they are now used as traning mounts over huge 1m60 courses at home, or specificaly made at small regional shows.
I was curious following my previous post and went to look at Paloubet’s results. He jumped 1m40 and1m45 in different shows in europe, and many many shows in the arab region.
https://data.fei.org/Horse/Performance.aspx?p=895080F8AD75CA70EA1C16B2043B8E45
He started big classes in Miami this weekend. We will see if it is the beginning of something big.
Paloubet did a very nice result in Miami GCT with the best rider from Qatar to finish second of the Grand Prix. he is an exceptional SF jumper.
Not sure if this has been posted, but NH stallions are already proven to sire fast horses who can jump.
US Tb’s may not suitable for inclusion in the Holstein Stud Book, but horses such as these can refine Holsteiners, and still make a valuable contribution to jumping ability when bred to the right mare. Is it really so horrible to allow a breeder, who thinks that such stallions will benefit their mare, the chance to use one?
http://www.nhstallions.co.uk/category/irish_stallions/
PS: Some of the photos on the roster page must have been stretched to fit the size of the required box. I have seen other pictures of some of these horses and I have never thought they looked like huge dachsunds.
[QUOTE=andy.smaga;8090341]
Paloubet did a very nice result in Miami GCT with the best rider from Qatar to finish second of the Grand Prix. he is an exceptional SF jumper.[/QUOTE]
What a lovely jumper he is! He looked like a sweetheart temperament-wise as well.
Please keep the focus on the main topic vs. sniping at each other.
Mod 1
[QUOTE=omare;8090256]
http://www.pedigreequery.com/chase+the+memory
Here is my mother’s boy–maybe we will try him on something someday before we are all too ancient![/QUOTE]
How is his jump?
[QUOTE=andy.smaga;8090341]
Paloubet did a very nice result in Miami GCT with the best rider from Qatar to finish second of the Grand Prix. he is an exceptional SF jumper.[/QUOTE]
I saw footage of him with his original rider before the sale and he is a fantastic jumper!
Dunstan Delphi was pursued by the Saudi Arabians because she has so much scope, according to Katie McVean. I would think they’d want to breed her too.
Brilliant Invader: http://www.horsetelex.com/horses/progeny/354819
Flower Power: http://www.horsetelex.com/horses/progeny/648690
[QUOTE=grayarabpony;8091189]
I saw footage of him with his original rider before the sale and he is a fantastic jumper!
Dunstan Delphi was pursued by the Saudi Arabians because she has so much scope, according to Katie McVean. I would think they’d want to breed her too.
Brilliant Invader: http://www.horsetelex.com/horses/progeny/354819
Flower Power: http://www.horsetelex.com/horses/progeny/648690[/QUOTE]
Horse Telex doesn’t mention another TB 4* son of the Brilliant Invader daughter, Deebee Lady. His name is Black Tie and he was on the British team at last year’s WEG.
Thanks viney!
Brilliant Invader is also the sire of 3* eventers Highly Recommended, Bindaboo and Southern Warlock, who also jumps around Grand Prix tracks. There are probably others too, plus many grandkids, and he is well regarded as a broodmare sire here in the Southern Hemisphere.
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