New decision in Holstein

[QUOTE=supershorty628;8107756]
I read the whole thread, yes. You’re welcome to disagree with me.

I’m also perfectly happy to admit that I’ve never ridden over a 1.60 course and know nothing of how to breed horses for doing that height. I know what I don’t know!

Edited to add: I love how whenever anyone brings up a comment you made, they’re falsely representing you…you said it, not me.[/QUOTE]

You did falsely represent it, love it or not. The only person who said anything negative about PNWJumper’s horse was PNWJumper. It doesn’t sound to me like she thinks he could be a very tip-top jumper because he likes one type of spot and that’s it. The fact that he is talented is beyond dispute. I certainly didn’t “dismiss” him. You said I did and that’s not true.

[QUOTE=grayarabpony;8107764]
You did falsely represent it, love it or not. The only person who said anything negative about PNWJumper’s horse was PNWJumper. It doesn’t sound to me like she thinks he could be a very tip-top jumper because he likes one type of spot and that’s it. The fact that he is talented is beyond dispute. I certainly didn’t “dismiss” him. You said I did and that’s not true.[/QUOTE]

Er, but he’s doing FEI classes… which is more than most people, especially most people with TBs (including me) can say.

GAP, maybe you should be more clear, since apparently every single person who responds to what you say “falsely represents” your words.

We try to give users as much leeway as possible to have spirited debates, etc., but we’ve closed this particular GAP for the benefit of the community at large. Back to the main topic.

Thanks,
Mod 1

[QUOTE=grayarabpony;8107715]
I made a mistake skydy. I understand the meaning of the word damline. It’s pretty simple. Breeders make mistakes all of the time when posting on her – sometimes glaring ones. Why don’t you make a big deal when that happens, hmmm?

Considering Cumano’s behavior Howard’s me in the past (when he or she was anything but kind) it shouldn’t be too surprising if I was defensive. But hey, I guess there is one standard of behavior for breeders and another for other people posting on here?[/QUOTE]

I was not aware that I was “making a big deal” out of anything. :confused:
Everyone makes mistakes. Some of us learn from them.
I’m sure you know, now, what a dam line is. Not, as you thought, the dam’s “side”.
It’s an easy mistake to make, if you haven’t been around the terminology much. No biggie. :slight_smile:

[QUOTE=Moderator 1;8107793]
We try to give users as much leeway as possible to have spirited debates, etc., but we’ve closed this particular GAP for the benefit of the community at large. Back to the main topic.

Thanks,
Mod 1[/QUOTE]

Praise be, and thank you!

[QUOTE=Moderator 1;8107793]
We try to give users as much leeway as possible to have spirited debates, etc., but we’ve closed this particular GAP for the benefit of the community at large. Back to the main topic.

Thanks,
Mod 1[/QUOTE]

Thank you!

[QUOTE=grayarabpony;8107715]
I made a mistake skydy. I understand the meaning of the word damline. It’s pretty simple. Breeders make mistakes all of the time when posting on her – sometimes glaring ones. Why don’t you make a big deal when that happens, hmmm?

Considering Cumano’s behavior Howard’s me in the past (when he or she was anything but kind) it shouldn’t be too surprising if I was defensive. But hey, I guess there is one standard of behavior for breeders and another for other people posting on here?[/QUOTE]

In all honnestly GAP, I have never lack respect to anyone on this forum before you on the previous tread. And again if I told you you were ignorant, it is because it is obvious you are. I do not pretend being an expert. As I mentionned before, I ask way more question than I answer regarding breeding. However, I am confident in what I know, and I base my opinions on my personnal experience, the mentors I have the luck to have helping me and the thousand of hours I spend educating myself. Outside of my career, I spend all my time and money building my Breeding program with only one goal, breeding horses I dream of, in the discipline I am passionate about, show jumping. I have not yet bred à GP horse, but I am only in my early thirties. But I worked In Europe with breeders who owned and stood Olympic stallions and bred horses that jumped to GP level, including the last WEG. I groomed for very well Known Olympic riders and had the opportunity to watch the best horses and the best riders work. I shoped in Europe at the best breeding farms to find my mares, saw hundreds of toungouse horses and took every opportunity I had to ask question to the breeders, and watch thème work. I have some of my best friends who ride nation cups giving their opinions on my mares, my foals and the stallion I choose. I am no exception, many breeders on here I know for a fact have more experience than me, Bayhawk being one of them.

We all respect, in our own manner I agree, others opinion. But you state your opinions as the evident truth, although it is clear you have no valuable experience at all either in Breeding or sport and the very limited knowledge you have is filed with stereotypes and plane misconception. Also, many of your opinions goes at the very opposite of what is pretty much unanimoysly accepted as basic knowledge, and you qualify people who disagree with you as goofy, ignorant, laghable and silly. This explain, I think, the attitude people have toward you. We put so much in our passion, it is irritating, although entertaining, to have you ridiculizing an otherwise interesting debate, without bringing any argument.

GAP was banned by the mods, so can no longer respond.

People like GAP make me think twice about posting anything! I have gotten tired of the “it must be wonderful, it is a TB”, we must save them all :). Yes, there are wonderful individuals and I would use the right one in a heart beat, but just any TB isn’t the answer. I think the Verband is assuming that if other respectable Verbands have approved a TB stallion he is suitable. Time will tell, but my own feeling, and that is all it is, tells me we don’t “really” need TBs “right now” because what you loose in that cross doesn’t compensate for what you gain?

[QUOTE=Moderator 1;8107793]
We try to give users as much leeway as possible to have spirited debates, etc., but we’ve closed this particular GAP for the benefit of the community at large. Back to the main topic.

Thanks,
Mod 1[/QUOTE]

THANK YOU! GAP is the first poster I’ve ever placed on the ignore list.

[QUOTE=stoicfish;8108622]
GAP was banned by the mods, so can no longer respond.[/QUOTE]

Really?!?! They haven’t banned someone in ages.

And, although it’s OT I was going to suggest Bayhawk might educate GAP on linebreeding/inbreeding since (I would argue) the Holsteiner breed utilizes this tool frequently and (it would appear) with quite abit of success.

While searching for Casall’s pedigree I came across this Casall:
http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?i=11082896

Born same year, also sired by Caretino. But what I found interesting is the breeder’s decision to double up on Isidor. You don’t often find linebreeding to mares, although no reason not to of course.

Anyone have any idea if this horse is real? If so, did he do anything remarkable ?

Too bad I didn’t realize what a fan of TBs GAP was during the linebreeding thread…TBs being one of the most linebred/inbred breeds out there.

Kyzteke, to me it seems like a mistake in filing the pedigree. The CV of the horse seems to be that of the Casall we all know.

[QUOTE=Cumano;8108900]
Kyzteke, to me it seems like a mistake in filing the pedigree. The CV of the horse seems to be that of the Casall we all know.[/QUOTE]

Yes, I was thinking the same thing, but not being that familiar with Holsteiner pedigrees, I wanted to ask. I suspect somebody was doing a “testmating” but instead of using that function, they just entered an imaginary horse.

I notice the real Casall is (lightly) linebred to Ramzes. Can’t have too much Ramzes in a pedigree IMHO…

[QUOTE=Kyzteke;8108868]
Really?!?! They haven’t banned someone in ages.

And, although it’s OT I was going to suggest Bayhawk might educate GAP on linebreeding/inbreeding since (I would argue) the Holsteiner breed utilizes this tool frequently and (it would appear) with quite abit of success.

While searching for Casall’s pedigree I came across this Casall:
http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?i=11082896

Born same year, also sired by Caretino. But what I found interesting is the breeder’s decision to double up on Isidor. You don’t often find linebreeding to mares, although no reason not to of course.

Anyone have any idea if this horse is real? If so, did he do anything remarkable ?

Too bad I didn’t realize what a fan of TBs GAP was during the linebreeding thread…TBs being one of the most linebred/inbred breeds out there.[/QUOTE]

That would have been fine and I would have gladly tried to help her but there was no help for her.

I’m glad the MODS finally banned her …now maybe the more knowledgeable folks will return. She ran off so many posters as they simply just didn’t want to deal with the nonsense.

[QUOTE=Kyzteke;8108998]
Yes, I was thinking the same thing, but not being that familiar with Holsteiner pedigrees, I wanted to ask. I suspect somebody was doing a “testmating” but instead of using that function, they just entered an imaginary horse.

I notice the real Casall is (lightly) linebred to Ramzes. Can’t have too much Ramzes in a pedigree IMHO…[/QUOTE]

This was a large part of the success of Capitol. Heavily linebred to Ramzes. Calido is another. It has been said many times that “There should be no riding horse without the blood of Ramzes” . He was amazing…he produced superbly in every breeding region in Germany.

[QUOTE=grayarabpony;8107386]
If I’m going to talk to a breeder it would likely not be one on COTH, although I would certainly talk to Fred! She bred a beautiful stallion who has had successful offspring and grand offspring. I’d also go to breeders that have actually bred GP jumpers (plural). I suggest you look up Bayhawk’s track record, for example. There’s certainly not a lot there as far as competition horses go, and he’s been breeding horses for while a while.[/QUOTE]

Fred has very smartly stayed out of this conversation, but if she’ll respond, yes, I would certainly speak to Fred if I were you. She could certainly teach you a thing or two…

bullying

Ive have addressed this three times, which has not appeared. Please be aware of how this thread reads to others. It’s really replusive. GAP stated her opinion; she was mocked for it, so then she was banned. The original topic was great, now it’s just a petty mess.

Bravo.

And I have no vested interest in GAP; however, the bullying is sick and was justified for some odd reason.

I stopped contributing because it all got too heated and unfriendly. The negativity was too much for me. I think it is not fair that GAP has been banned. Because other people in my eyes did not behave any different or maybe worse.

[QUOTE=Katis;8109698]
Ive have addressed this three times, which has not appeared. Please be aware of how this thread reads to others. It’s really replusive. GAP stated her opinion; she was mocked for it, so then she was banned. The original topic was great, now it’s just a petty mess.

Bravo.

And I have no vested interest in GAP; however, the bullying is sick and was justified for some odd reason.[/QUOTE]

Perhaps she was banned perhaps for continually straying off topic and into personal attacks. It seems there were personal issues between GAP and others (that I know nothing about) and they seemed to cloud GAP’s and others’ posts.

I am not a bully. Supershorty is certainly not a bully. I did feel hostility coming from GAP I did not understand it and it was unpleasant.
The moderators do usually warn people, and give them a chance before they are banned.

@Skydy:
There is quite a bit of history to these irritations and frustrations between people.
https://www.google.com/search?q=grayarabpony+bayhawk+thoroughbred+tom+site%3Awww.chronofhorse.com&hl=en&gbv=2&oq=&gs_l=