So your mares are Amish breeding? Is that what you are saying?
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I have gotten some of my best mares from mennonites that work with Wim. And an angry polish man. They import quality. Iāve never spoken poorly about the people I deal with but I have absolutely spoken about others that just have terrible terrible stock. And many Amish use adhha as they actually win money(large amounts) whereas Kwpn you donāt get anything. They have created their own breed with the DHH in America that is much separate from the original tuigpaard
Precisely.
And your two prolific broodmares? They were registered with ADHHA at birth. Literally anyone can look it up.
Rebaās ADHHA registration number was M-12478
ADHHA has details on who bred her and foaled her, as well as the next few ownership transfers.
Ivankaās ADHHA registration number is M-15929.
ADHHA has details on who bred her and foaled her, as well as the next ownership transfer.
You know what else ADHHA tracks? They track whether or not the horses in their stud book had original papers from KWPN. If they do, then the ADHHA includes their KWPN registration number in their studbook records.
That is what we see when it comes to Ulandro (Rebaās sire) and Dondersteen (Ivankaās sire).
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She wonāt answer that.
But anyone can look it up in the ADHHA database.
āRebaā was foaled by James A & Ruth Raber. Her original registered name was Rebar Acres Malise. There are many other horses from Rebar Acres that were registered in the ADHHA stud book.
āIvankaā was foaled by Cumberland Mountain. EQ. Andā¦ there are also multiple horses registered by them in the database.
Who knows. These might be great breeding programs. The people who run them might be Mennonites. And thatās all fine. They probably know quite a bit about breeding top notch harness horses.
Butā¦ I somehow doubt that both these mares ALSO have KWPN papers.
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Iām not sure what youāre arguing here. Ivanka had KWPN papers from birth. But what point are you trying to make. I donāt even own Ivanka anymore.
Of course I answered you just canāt stop typing long enough about nonsense yo read
According to KSās math, Iām 75 percent ape because the ancestry goes back far enough.
This thread is wild. @Virginia_Horse_Mom, you are doing the Lordās work by explaining the lineage and how these are NOT 3/4 sister but IMO KS feels she is above taking anyoneās advice or direction. Even the inspectors with KWPN are ignorant and do not know as much as KS when it comes to breeding - in her mind.
Iāve said it before, Iāll say it again: delulu.
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Testy testy.
Me thinks you are irritated that we are zeroing in on how very similar your broodmares are to many many Amish bred DHH commonly found in the US.
And how it seems odd that you leave all that information out of sales ads, and price and market your young stock as though they are imported warmbloods with multigenerational performance bred mare linesā¦
Round and round we go.
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The 75% or 3/4 (whichever you prefer - it is the exact same thing) sisters/siblings claim is laughable - and a responsible breeder would not use that terminology for horses that were not actually siblings - as in ACTUAL siblings of the exact same breeding/sire/dam - no further back than grandparents. Going far back in pedigrees does not equal 75% but much less - and every generation removed/further back would dilute the percentage not enhance it or keep it the same - unless every single horse in every generation were exactly the same in both pedigrees. Basic math and genetics there.
I only drop in on this thread when new activity shows that you have made an appearance, Kate. For someone who thinks this place is trash and whines about it to anyone and everyone and plays the victim card, you sure seem to be obsessed with the notion that posters here are infatuated with your life and your flip flops and movie stars and whatever else you toss into the mix to let us all know how very important you are. Example - the fancy new car you just happened to mention lol lol lolā¦
No one cares Kate. We just care that the horses are actually fed and looking better.
How soon are you abandoning KWPN? As per your recent rantsā¦
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What are you even talking about? They are verband registered jumping foals. I state as such. Iām sorry youāre so obsessed and canāt figure out that my horses are KWPN thatās on you. Research away
lol. Iām trying.
If this 75% thing was true, just so long as we all look far enough back in a pedigreeā¦
Then every modern thoroughbred is a 50% siblingā¦ or moreā¦ to the great Nijinsky. He won the English Triple Crown, and was a profoundly influential sire.
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Actually someone mentioned that I must be talk to texting in a fancy car since I read this thread while I drive and my response was does it matter if I do have a fancy car? I didnāt bring any of that up. Thatās on you all boo
Thatās your foal from Reba. Who you apparently renamed āHakuna Matata KGā. She was registered as āRebar Acres Maliseā by her breeders, with the ADHHA shortly after she was foaled. And her breeders may or may not be Mennonite. Which is fine.
Show us Rebaās KWPN registration information. Iām genuinely curious as to whether or not Amish and Mennonite breeders are going to all the trouble and expense of double registration for their harness bred foals. I will admitā¦ Iām skeptical. But Iām open to being educated in this topic.
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I had to re-read todayās posts because I just couldnāt wrap my head around the conversation. What Iāve gathered is that a person who has bred a few dozen horses is publicly claiming that horses are considered 3/4 siblings because they had common ancestors 6 or 8 or 10 gens back. If thatās the case, then I guess my Morgan mares are siblings to just about every other Morgan alive today.
Literally any Wikipedia style overview of horse breeding helpfully clarifies for newbies: the term āhalf siblingā only applies to horses out of the same dam but by different sires. Horses by the same sire but out of different dams arenāt generally referred to as being related.
I know commenting here is adding nothing, but this was just so far out there I actually devoted precious minutes of my life that Iāll never get back to trying to understand this line of thinking and had to express how crazy I felt for a moment.
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Lol. Word.
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Sorry, Kate - I am not your boo. You can talk to text on your phone while driving without having that fancy new car - lowly little me does it all the time. Imagine that.
And his sire was Northern Dancer - so using him as reference and using Kateās reasoning, that full āsiblingā percentage would be even higher.
90 % of all Thoroughbreds can be traced even farther back to Eclipseā¦ and the Darley Arabian before himā¦ but strangely, you never hear a pedigree cited at the big sales in Keeneland that even mentions all the potential āsiblingsā who may be coming through the ringā¦
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That is because they clearly do not know as much about horse genetics as Kate does.
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I think you are adding something. Some ānew to horsesā or ānew to breedingā person might be following this thread, and they might be contemplating buying g a high priced weanling or yearling, and they might have fallen for a dubious sales pitch from a breeder, concerning how awesome the foal is, and how the presence of one top stallion 5 generations back makes the foal ALMOST exactly like some other Olympic competitor.
And now they know thatās BS. And they should probably pay no more than the going rate for an athletic and healthy baby/young horse with at least one high quality verified performance parentā¦ if they like the foal (a little more or less than $10,000-$15,000ā¦ depending).
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Theyāre jumping foalsā¦because OF THE SIRE. That would be like breeding my baloubet mare to Infernoās sixty six and calling it a reining foal except my mare has a proven performance record, even though itās a completely different discipline.
Everyone here is entertained by you. Donāt get it confused with obsessed. Itās like reading a page turning book. Except youāre potentially trying to sell us something - although Iām not sure how many of us are movie stars or 5* eventers 
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Kate, to be fair, youāre the one who has bumped this entire thread at LEAST 3 times.
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