Opinions on DHH crosses for jumping?

For anyone who doesn’t get it, this is a random photo I snagged off an internet post.

This is what a well-bred, well-built, well-cared for jumper foal and his dam should look like.

Anyone who cannot see the difference between the horses in this photo and the ones KS is putting forth as representatives of her jumper breeding program, needs to not consider even for a moment buying a horse of any age until they learn a LOT more about conformation, biomechanics, feeding and nutrition, etc., etc.

31 Likes

It doesn’t help that Kate did breed the second highest scoring jumper foal on the kwpn tour in 2022. That was all the reinforcement she needed. Make of it what you will.

6 Likes

Sums her up in entirety.

Business model?
Feeding young stock?
Dog breeding?
Conformation?
Social skills?
Stock levels of any Arizona feed store?

Hasn’t got a clue.

11 Likes

Yes, a moment in its young life when the stars aligned for it (and the rest of the world shall be reminded of this at every opportunity). However, the rest of her “program” leaves much to be desired. The fact that the numerous other babiers she took did extremely poorly was lost on her. Most breeders seeking to improve their “programs”, would have been mortified, and ‘had do better’ that as their take away. :grimacing:

7 Likes

While her horses are nothing to write home about and definitely unkept, they are not junk.

Most likely they will make ammy friendly low level fun horses that are worth their weight in gold. Every horse has value no matter how low level their job.

10 Likes

This is true. But we’ve all seen hoarder breeders who would rather starve their young stock than sell at the level the market is dictating. Whether K is that crazy remains to be seen.

These are not $40k foals. Not even $20k foals if you want them for sport horses

22 Likes

To be this someone has to be willing to put the time and energy into training them.
So either an ammy with no high goals and a patient trainer or … I don’t know. Because it is doubtful some busy trainer with mad skills is going to want to buy them up and try to figure out how to make that conformation into something that will work out well for an ammy, even at the lowest levels.

And, wasn’t their discussion about some of the studs having a history of producing hot horses?

26 Likes

Not to mention the uneven bone growth and possible damage to internal organs due to starvation or at best uneven nutrition.

26 Likes

That is the best possible outcome, but should they not end up with that temperament, I think it will be a challenging life that they lead. Not all the stallions she breeds to are known for amateur friendly temperaments.

24 Likes

Ah never mind I found her other, other profile. Seems like she’s just deleting comments now, but not the pictures of her malnourished “furkids” :triumph:

11 Likes

The comment about Tennessee having terrible alfalfa is completely wrong and shows a terrible lack of knowledge. There are many farmers in the Greene County area who grow beautiful alfalfa.

I know this because I live there and have seen it in person over several years. Horses absolutely love it!

I can’t speak to other parts of the state, but a blanket comment like she made is ignorant.

22 Likes

This. Over and over.

The combination of the stallions she chose with DHH mares? It’s problematic.

The people that keep on coming to the thread extolling the nice temperament of many DHH types are neglecting to factor in her stallion choices and how that will influence things.

12 Likes

(Puts on my Service Dog Trainer hat…)

Since when do service dog handlers Always get first class seats?!? Unless of course, they pay for them! It’s Not usual for service dog teams to be granted first class strictly as a courtesy, although I’m sure they do sometimes and I believe most flights do try to book them in bulkhead seats with a bit more space than standard seats. But it’s NOT a requirement that an SD owner book in first class.

Absolutely NOT A REQUIREMENT that a SD wear a vest or any special equipment. OR be any specific breed. Or size. YEP, Toy breeds CAN be legitimate SD. Their small size can be an advantage in portability! And a Medical Alert dog doesn’t need to be a big dog. But a SD MUST have good Public Access Skills and be TASK TRAINED to assist in a skill that is needed by the person. For the record, there are Psychiatric Support Dogs which ARE SDs and assist with issues such as PTSD and often accompany military veterans.

You – as a business or service provider – can ask what task (they only need one) the dog can perform (i.e., retrieves dropped items, interrupts repetitive behaviors, provides a medical alert {{such as to an oncoming seizure}}, but the owner does not need to demonstrate that task (hopefully, that would be obvious!!! LOL). I think most trained SD teams are generally willing (since they don’t like pets being passed off as SDs either!) to provide the info required under the ADA, but get annoyed – with good reason – at being asked for additional, often quite intrusive, information.

I have had someone call from an airline to verify that I had trained a dog as a SD. In that case, it was NOT a legitimate SD! I had given the owner lessons in strictly Basic obedience a year prior, yet she gave my name as the SD trainer for her dog. :face_with_monocle: :face_with_raised_eyebrow: :lying_face: :unamused: My website does say that my company trains SD, so maybe she thought the airline wouldn’t check. :woozy_face:

When the airline rep called me, I told her that I had NOT trained that dog for SD work, merely basic pet obedience. (I looked up my records: that particular owner had never asked for SD evaluation or training, and had never indicated an interest in such training, nor did she show any difficulty in doing lessons herself/training her dog in basic obedience.)

From what I hear from other SD trainers, it’s pretty much routine now to get calls from airlines to verify if a dog has been trained by whatever company if the trainer’s name is given as having trained a dog. So yeah, I’m NOT vouching for someone’s pet that has NOT be trained in Public Access Skills and putting my company’s rep and my name on the line that your pet is going to behave decently in novel and stressful situations, thank you very much!

ABSOLUTELY!!! :rage: :triumph: :exploding_head:

While I’m at it, please help spread the word to the general public:

PLEASE DO NOT DISTRACT WORKING SERVICE DOGS!!! Don’t touch them, don’t talk to them, don’t MAKE NOISES at them (“awww,” “So cute!,” “imitating BARK/WOOF” – seems to be a guy-thing!, kissy-sounds, ANYthing!!), and don’t stare at them. Please. Just Ignore them (I know it’s hard!) and go on about your business.

Oh, and please, give us a bit of SPACE – please don’t step on paws/tails, please don’t come so close the dog THINKS you’re going to step on them (especially those of you who jog/run!!), please don’t run into the dog/paws/tails with your baby stroller, bicycle, shopping cart, scooter, skateboard, or shopping bag.

A MILLION THANK YOU’s from every SD, SD owner, and SD trainer ever!!!

(…doffs hat.)
:womans_hat: :tophat:

I’ve got enough experience showing GSPs to say, I’m not impressed by the quality of her litter. Regardless of how poorly stacked the pups are in the baby photos, there’s still no question that her foals look to be considerably better quality than her pups. (Although… put a good handler on them and maybe they could finish a title, with the right judges. :smirk:)

She has a photo of one of her males winning with a pro handler at a local show, and he IS a nice dog. I don’t know if that handler (well-regarded, reputable) is still showing her dogs though, after the incident reported on FB in which instead of paying him the customary fees for big wins (Group level) that were explicitly written in her contract, she wanted to take him to dinner (yeah, like THAT pays the gas/dogfood/rent/mortgage bills! :roll_eyes: :grimacing: ) instead.

:face_with_raised_eyebrow: :grimacing: :confounded:

18 Likes

It seems like you missed the point that the photo posted by KS stated that they were first class seats but showed almost no leg room for her dogs. That was the point being made by the person you quoted, nothing to do with a service dog always getting a first class seat.

Edit to add - here is a link to the post with the photo and the comment where KS says they are first class seats.

6 Likes

Ok, I didn’t look back at the comment section on the FB post claiming it was two first class seats. However, nothing about that photo indicates whether the dog is or is not a SD, so there’s no way to know from that photo if the dog is a legitimate SD or not. Though suspicions that he is not seem valid! :smirk:

1 Like

Is it typical for service dogs to get to sit at the bar and eat human food?

8 Likes

AGREE! Just conformation alone is going to be a challenge to make something of in any arena they may enter. She is selling them for SHOW prices, not bargain “he will just be my kids horse and have a forever home”. And again, what “low level” will they fit? I don’t see any really, especially with the colorful temperament they may be given by the stallion to have for an ammy to work with. lol. basically everything you just said. :sweat_smile:

10 Likes

Service dogs are not required to have any special equipment or patches or signs, or documentation of any kind. It’s illegal to ask for that actually. The person has to have a disability, and the dog needs to be trained to perform a task that mitigates that disability. You can only ask 2 questions to determine if the service animal is allowed in public areas that are not pet friendly. Is the dog a service animal required because of a disability? What work or task has the dog been trained to perform? So, I have no issues with the dogs not having any equipment or labels, but highly doubt they’d pass the definition.

8 Likes

Can a service dog be trained to:

Remind horse owners it’s time to feed the horses?

Alert the handler that they are about to suffer a debilitating attack of narcissistic delusions and online shit posting?

Stop sit and bark to avoid owner walking into a steam roller of bad decisions?

Asking for a friend.

57 Likes

:rofl:Probably! Dogs are amazing in what they can sense. Maybe they can knock the credit card or checkbook out of a handler’s hands if they’re about to purchase a partial straw of frozen horse semen too.

20 Likes