Other than JC I always transfer mine but honestly some registries charge you and make it a hassle so I understand why some people don’t bother
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Anything I have transferred (sample set of three, not in the registries being discussed), it was not what I would consider cheap to do. The registry required me to pay to join or pay a fee basically as much as joining to be a non-member transferring, and then the fee to transfer the ownership.
Clearly, compared to all the other horse expenses it was not a huge amount. But I can totally see why someone who has no intentions of doing breed related things, or that does not care about their horses breeding would not bother to do it.
I guess I do not get why someone who is actually breeding their horse(s) would not bother to do it.
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She had also had the mare registered with KWPN, and she intended to market all the foals as KWPN.
So in that respect, I can understand why she didn’t transfer the papers.
I also did a quick search on the ADHHA database… her mares Ivanka and Bianca are both also ADHHA registered, and neither of them had a transfer of ownership to Kate either.
After looking up both those mare’s pedigrees in the ADHHA, they both seem to be better bred than Reba. Their sire and dam sides have multiple true KWPN registered and studbook horses with predicates.
I’m more than a bit baffled as to why Kate chose to do all this ICSI using the Reba mare. If she truly believes in this whole idea of a DHH cross… it looks like Ivanka and Bianca are better quality mares from a pedigree perspective.
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Isn’t Reba the one that throws color (or did I mix them up)? I think that’s why?
Reba is the giant black mare. Ivanka is the one that throws color 
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The conformation on those 2 is truly appalling. Ewe necks and flat croups. That might be why. The Reba mare is marginally better in those respects.
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When I was sixteen, I bought a baby Arabian for $90 who looked like that first foal. These look like ninety dollar horses that a teenager would see as her next endurance horse. Because it was all she could afford.
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I hear you.
I haven’t seen a proper conformation picture of the Hakuna Matata mare (Reba).
The Ivanka mare’s dam “Paula” is a Ster mare. I’m assuming the assessment pertains to the Harness breeding direction though. Perhaps they evaluate confirmation differently depending on the horse’s athletic purpose.
The Bianca mare seems to be in such poor shape, it’s hard to accurately evaluate her. And let ADHHA, she actually is 17 years old. Not older, as Kate claimed. Poor girl. She’s had a tough life.
Absolutely the conformation is different in a harness horse vs a Sport Horse. The mares here are very typical light harness horses, and have the same general outline as a Hackney or Saddlebred harness horse. Which is why the KWPN registry has experimented with allowing stallions from those breeds into the harness line. The ideal light fancy harness horse has a flat croup, a high or even swan neck, a huge trot, and the endurance to go miles in a big trot straight ahead. They do not need to canter, to collect the canter, to jump or to be laterally mobile.
A KWPN sport horse is going to look much more like a modern Warmblood, that is like a TB with more substantial bone and more uphill and bigger stride
There’s also those older Gelders lines, which explain the several KWPN I’ve seen that looked like draft crosses!
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I think the biggest problem here, regardless of what she has her foals branded as, is that she is asking so much for them based solely on their breeding. I was just talking with someone who has a horse with 7 or 8 siblings, yet theirs is completely different in attitude and rideability from the rest of them. There’s never any guarantee that the foal would go anywhere which is my biggest issue with this. She is breeding to all these fancy stallions and asking for so much money for an unproven horse – and claiming they are worth it because of the stallion.
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Agreed.
I suspect she hears and sees reports of what other foals or youngstock that are KWPN and by these stallions are selling for, and prices hers aspirationally.
And that’s not how it works. Mare lines matter.
As you said… there are no guarantees. But when paying top dollar for foals or youngstock? People tend to want the baby to have a proven sire AND dam.
There are plenty of people out there who might want a DHH cross for one reason or another. But not for these prices.
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I’m not sure what their harness types are being bred for, but if the market is Combined Driving horses then they absolutely need to be able to canter, collect, and turn at speed. Watch a couple of videos of the marathon obstacles and the cones courses. The horses are galloping, collecting the canter and turning very sharply.
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A little off-topic but much fun to watch (at least the parts I had time for). Drivers are so brave!! (edited ot add-and Team hanging on th back!)(have not looked up the breeds competing…)
RE-LIVE | Competition 2 - FEI Driving World Cup™ 2023/24 Stockholm
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While some harness horses are not asked to canter, combined driving is very popular with DHH and they need to canter and gallop. The legendary Boyd Exell’s favorite breed is the DHH.
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My trainer just (as in, arriving this evening) bought a 2023 Comme Il Faut colt, out of a Colman x Ramiro mare who herself jumped 1.45m. She paid, INCLUDING SHIPPING TO CA FROM BELGIUM, 24k.
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Sounds like a nice foal!
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I’ve kept an eye on some of the elite foal auctions in Europe for the various registries recently, and her prices would be in line with above average prices for foals with breeding and type worthy of selection for these elite auctions, who are definitely purpose bred for sport.
There is really no way for her method of breeding to make any money without some significant performance records for at least some of the stock. Requiring training and competition. And of course, food and general care for several years.
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I have a bunch…love them excellent fox hunters and jumpersThe oldest we bred out of our tuigpaard mare by a holsteiner contender son has been Champion of his low -high adult jumpers eight of his last ten shows. We have three other out of the same mare by Flexible, PopeyeK, and Apiro, all will hit the ring next Spring. Also a granddaughter of the Flexible offspring by Cornet Obolsensky
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Also, the Tuigpaard mare herself was a Zone7 high Adult jumper champion
Nice! What is your mare’s Tuigpaard breeding?
