By Manno out of Godie a Fabricius daughter. Our mare’s name is Ugone,a ster mare I imported in 2005 as a four yr old. Still have her, retired.
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Here is one of ours by a C ontender son at HITS Chicsgo in 2022 as a six yr old. How high will he ev entually jump ? Who knows ?
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Here is his mama back in 2012, a Tuigpaard mare I Imported in 2005. She never went over so much as a ground pole until she was nine
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Two Tuigpaard Standardbred crosses I bought at Amish auctions. The bay gelding wnt to the MFH of Radnor, the blk mare to the Smithtown hunt on Long Island
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A Tuigpaard Arabian cross I bred and raised. The best field hunter, out of over twenty, I’ve ever had. Go anywhere, super agile, and sure footed, no quit
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Wow. So this mare is tuigpaard, a ster mare, who also has a strong competition record of her own. That’s awesome. And you clearly know her strengths and weaknesses under saddle, and presumably have chosen jumper stallions you think will work well with her?
Sounds like a super thoughtful way to use a quality tuigpaard mare in a jumper breeding program.
It also sounds like you all are raising and starting and showing her offspring, and ensuring they represent your program well. That’s great! I’m sure that’s a labor of love, but definitely a good thing for the horses. And it’s pretty neat that you now have a grand baby from this mare.
In summary, your program sounds like a really good example of how a quality tuigpaard mare used for producing jumper foals can work well, when attempted by a knowledgeable and thoughtful breeder, who also takes the time and invests in raising and starting their own youngstock.
Thanks for sharing this perspective on this thread.
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It was interesting the see Hollands Golden Boy mentioned. I have a newer (to me) Dutch mare with multiple full- and half-siblings from the same dam jumping 1.30-1.60m, so imagine my surprise when I see that the dam’s grand-sire is Holland’s Golden Boy. Just further underscores that the DHH lines can be utilized effectively in some cases.
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I do not have photos of my mare’s dam, but she has been successfully bred to Dutch Capitol, Lancelot, and Cavalier for good-jumping babies.
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Errr I’ve known full Arabians referred to as pony x or Welsh x. Even personally. I sold a papered but plainish Arab mare who was a jumping fiend and carded as a large, and the jr’s trainer pulled her mane and she became a Welsh x.
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Likewise.
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Yup. There’s likely a lot more Arabians or Arabian crosses disguised as “welsh X” in the pony hunters world due to the stigma against the breed there. It’s a shame to loose their heritage but given the clear bias some have shown here to certain breeds I see why.
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Wow this mare is pretty neat. She has a very tidy hind end and a very “harness-horse” spicy way of going. I like her!
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Oh for sure. But saying a full Arab is a Welsh X is actually false advertising and not something I would do (given the option, but it likely arrived on my desk as “breeding unknown”). Leaving the breed off entirely and just calling it a pony would probably be my solution, which brings us back to the “lie of omission” accusation, when it’s basically just standard marketing.
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This is what they’re going for. And if you search videos in Holland it’s the same thing, only more animated. Think fine harness horse, Not Sporthorse. Although the sport horses are certainly an outgrowth.
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I understand lies of omission are a standard practice in the horse industry. It is what it is. And people should evaluate the horse in front of them. HOWEVER… that’s one thing when you are talking about buying a horse or pony that is mostly fully grown, going under saddle, and a buyer has the chance to thoroughly evaluate its gaits, jumping ability, and actually ride the horse sbd msybe even do a trial.
But Kate is mostly selling embryos, in utero foals, and youngstock that is not yet fully grown or started under saddle. Sooooo… it’s a bit of a bigger issue, in my opinion.
I hope that perspective makes sense.
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The really nice DHH (like this one!) truly do look stunning in harness when shown. The videos are very fun to watch 
This whole topic has been cool with respect to that!
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TOTALLY agree. It’s more than a shame it lost it’s heritage and probably papers, it’s fraud.
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Don’t EVEN get me started on her (Shearer)……She claims to be a lawyer (Braider at Law ?) and was threatening to sue sue me and a facebook friend a few years back for calling her out on her, In my opinion, bullshit
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Sigh. This seems to be a theme with her.
Well thanks for weighing in on this thread. The contrast between the way you are going about your breeding program vs. the way she has gone about hers? It’s very very educational.
Also… that video of your mare jumping? The rider really knew how to get the best out of her. That was great to watch. A good partnership.
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I think it’s a huge disservice to the DHH, KWPN, and assorted to rope them in with one breeder’s program and ability to feed her horses. It is unfortunate that she has been some people’s introduction to DHH and the KWPN.
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Well - the good news is @TomNeese joined the discussion and shared videos and pictures of his lovely horses, and his tuigpaard mare going right around a 1.3m course. So that’s a good thing… right? It’s a positive counterpoint.
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