Hey, not bad at all! And yeesh, what a weird X-ray.
Well done Gumtree! Hope you are content with the result.
Congrats, nice score.
I like the pedigree, lots of stuff bubbling under the surface there that you would hope would come good. Seems like you could have options with this fella as to what he would run on and where.
Will have to stick him in my virtual stable now and keep an eye on him.
Who was the mare in foal to this year?
Very happy for you.
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My only regret was not being able to keep him and race.
Picture of him at the training farm from a couple of weeks ago. Not the most flattering of his head.
Thanks for everyone’s interest and encouragement![/QUOTE]
oh, I LOVE heads like that! Congrats on a big sale and congrats that your guy went to absolutely wonderful hands.
Yikes!!!1
Is there a repository at the 2 year old sale? Was that x-ray included? Don’t know about others, but it would have scared me away. May congrats on your nice sale even with that x-ray.
Did you withdraw him from the yearling sale?
Oh that is just fascinating! (x-ray) I can’t wait until I have more time to go look this up. I have never seen that.
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Congrats gumtree! I’m glad he did well for you. Please keep us updated with his name and race results.
Don’t fret about letting the prior year foals go for less than what they seemed worth. You got them sold, you got cash, you lived to fight another day. Sometimes that is better than trying to hold out for “the most” money. Plus, doesn’t it always seem that when you turn down good money for a horse, it gets hurt the next day, or something else goes wrong???[/QUOTE]
After a life time of being in the business/ sport I don’t “fret”, lol. Just makes for fun conversation when hanging out with others who do the same over cold beers.
I was pretty good friends with a well known Argentine trainer in his day, Haratio Luro. I was spending the morning with him at Hialeah racetrack one morning talking horses. Whining a bit about a horse I sold very short because I needed the money. He said with his wonderful Argentine accent;
“Larry, it is better to regret selling the horse then to regret not selling the horse”. I doubt he coined this “horse traders” axiom and I have been reminded of it a number of times over the years.
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Did you have that thing removed? Nice price. I hope he has good luck throughout his training and racing career.[/QUOTE]
After saying WTF and being told what it is. The second thing I asked, can we get it taken out?
I was told it is rarely “taken out”. Would leave a “hole-dent” in the area. Would most likely cause more problems then it does being left alone.
Though very ugly when seen on a x-ray. Fortunately it is hardly noticeable when looking at the horse. A slight bulge on his gaskin which looks more like developed muscling.
There are types that develop on the “outside” in horses and humans.
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Yikes!!!1
Is there a repository at the 2 year old sale? Was that x-ray included? Don’t know about others, but it would have scared me away. May congrats on your nice sale even with that x-ray.
Did you withdraw him from the yearling sale?[/QUOTE]
No repository. Yes we did withdraw from the yearling sale. If we had let him go through the ring a savvy would have taken a chance and bought him for nothing and gotten all the gravy at a 2 year old sale. Several vets said it rarely bothers them. But you won’t know until you put them in training.
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Oh that is just fascinating! (x-ray) I can’t wait until I have more time to go look this up. I have never seen that.[/QUOTE]
It is but not so much when you own the horse, lol.
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Congrats, nice score.
I like the pedigree, lots of stuff bubbling under the surface there that you would hope would come good. Seems like you could have options with this fella as to what he would run on and where.
Will have to stick him in my virtual stable now and keep an eye on him.
Who was the mare in foal to this year?[/QUOTE]
She is a beautiful mare, has always had a wonderful temperament and all her foals but one have been the same. The only one that was a bit of a “bugger” was the Broken Vow, Jockey Ridge. Got nothing for him as a yearling but it was when the market was collapsing along with Wallstreet. A little on the small side at the time of sale and knees were a bit offset. Had to sell. The knees came right and he was sold as a 2 year old over $100,000 more. He went on to be a Derby Horse but got hurt.
The mare is due to the cover of Jump Start. Who stands close by. The best regional sire in the Mid-Atlantic. Been breeding to him off and on since he first went to stud in KY. Should have bought a share. She’s been bred twice before to him and they sold very well all things being equal.
Have a beautiful yearling filly by Cape Blanco. Took a chance on him when he was on the “bubble” with first foals coming 2 year olds. Loved the way the mating looked on paper. His yearlings were well received. But not long after being covered Coolmore announced he was being “temporarily” leased to Japan. I knew I was screwed. Given the fact he doesn’t have much to talk about on the race track with the first crop being 3 now. I doubt he is coming back.
Sometimes you win, sometimes you loose. Funny thing is I sent her to KY without a “plan”. Didn’t have the money for an early plan. I know people at most of the farms so I can call around and see what kind of deal I can get after the breeding season gets underway.
We left her open the year before to get an early cover. But she wasn’t cooperating and didn’t start cycling until early April. Even using all the “tricks”. When I got the word she would be ready in X days I started calling to book her from my short list. Uncle Mo was full the day needed, as was Broken Vow, Looking At Lucky, Giants Causeway, Tale of the Cat, Midnight Lute, Stormy Atlantic (she had a nice one that unfortunately went to Korea) and Flatter. So went with Cape Blanco.
She is 20 now but looks great. But given the fact the Mizzen Mast was bought by Winchill Thoroughbreds (the people who bred and raced Tapit and many other good ones) a breeder dream buyer. Thinking of paying the high expense of sending her to KY to be bred for the last time. Depends on what kind of “deal” I can get. It will be a late season cover so the farm are easier to “wheel and deal” with.
The colt went to the best connections a breeder can ask for, Winchill Thoroughbeds. They pick their “spots” very carefully and is a huge compliment when they buy a horse from a seller.
We talked to a couple of the people who vetted him after he sold. The “deal” in his leg, we call it his “beauty mark” didn’t really bother them/clients.
The P-1 flake did. Not as much to them as an agent it was pretty minor but their clients didn’t want to take a chance. Can’t blame them there is more supply than demand. Buyers don’t/won’t give big money for a horse with a dent. No matter how small.
They all said he is a fabulous horse too bad he came up with the “dent”, Otherwise he would have made $400-500,000.
Them’s the breaks you roll with the punches. No new truck but something better than I have. Sandal’s for baby to get through the summer until we see what the yearling sales give us. Stud fees, vet bills paid and there should be some money left for a case of my favorite beer and some Irish Whiskey to get through the winter.
Thanks to all for following its been fun! Welcome to my world.
Sounds like you have the philosophical aspect down pat… it is what it is.
Let is know his name (when he’s got one) so we can collectively keep an eye on him 
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Gumtree -nice guy. Looks happy in his work, handles well on the ground, great walk.
Good luck with him.
GT, I’m so glad your boy got a great home and you received a nice price! He’s a beauty and I’m sure was superbly bred/raised.
Some questions, if you kindly would. Oh, this is kinda embarrassing as I can’t even keep up with the lingo sometimes.
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“Might even “ring the bell”.” Something to do with the highest amount bid at the sale so far? Maybe?
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“10 flat for the work” - Well, 10 meaning . . . ? (I tried to figure it out but can’t.)
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“galloped out hand timed in 33-4 and 48” So, I guess that doesn’t mean 33 seconds for four furlongs
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As per Post 9 above: “One of the BEST places to get Crap Cakes” Tell me this is a typo, please? :winkgrin:
Thanks so much!
I’ll take a stab at 2 and 3
10 flat would be 10 seconds for a furlong which, I believe, is a pretty decent clip as fractions of 22 seconds per quarter is moving smartly during a race
I’d guess 33-4 is 33.4 seconds for 3 furlongs and 48 for 4 furlongs (so a bit slower in that 4th furlong).
Ring the bell I’m not sure and I know nothing about crab cakes 
10 flat means he worked the 1f in exactly 10 seconds. At the 2yo sales the horses are worked flat out and timed over 1f. There is considerable debate over whether that is any true indication of how good a racehorse will be. Some would point to the Green Monkey as an example.
It would be interesting to go back and research all the 2yos over the years who turned in sorching 1f workouts and see how their careers subsequently turned out.
Galloped out means that when you add in the subsequent 2 and 3 furlongs after the initial 1f that he was officially timed at, he did 3f in 33.6sec and 4f in 48sec. Those extra furlongs were hand timed. Also the horse would have been geared down, so not too shabby considering he wasn’t been asked/encouraged by the rider.
I would guess that crap cakes have a similar texture and smell to cow pies. Most likely a spell (or smell) check was omitted but who knows, there are some people who enjoy things I would never touch.
I agree that a 1f sorching the earth is probably of less value than watching a 2 yr old walk on. I am sure Ivor Herbert would agree. In Australia it is the punters who keep these types of records. It is ashame horsemen the world over don’t track their horses in a central data base. I was looking over their punter site the other other day and was amazed at all the information. Sadly, it is not worth a plug nickel in the states.
33-4 is 33 and 4/5s - it’s a holdover from manual stopwatch days when they only did fifths of a second.
