You all are really awesome!!! Thanks so very, very much!! I truly appreciate your time, energy and vast knowledge.
Still, if anyone knows:
“ring the bell”?
"was looking over their punter site "? (Can you explain further and link me to one, please?)
I must go and make GT a baked ziti or something and send it to him so he doesn’t have to have crap cakes. :winkgrin: (Apologies for the stupid attempt at humor and I hope that does not offend.)
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You all are really awesome!!! Thanks so very, very much!! I truly appreciate your time, energy and vast knowledge.
Still, if anyone knows:
“ring the bell”?
"was looking over their punter site "? (Can you explain further and link me to one, please?)
I must go and make GT a baked ziti or something and send it to him so he doesn’t have to have crap cakes. :winkgrin: (Apologies for the stupid attempt at humor and I hope that does not offend.)
(WMW - you have a p.m., btw.)[/QUOTE]
I am inspired by your name change. It so upscale and classy. I just can’t imagine my user name with that much class. I’d probably be named “bootlegged,” but I will stick with SD for sentimental reasons.
Here is the link.
[QUOTE=Shammy Davis;8633935]
I am inspired by your name change. It so upscale and classy. I just can’t imagine my user name with that much class. I’d probably be named “bootlegged,” but I will stick with SD for sentimental reasons.
Here is the link.
https://www.punters.com.au/[/QUOTE]
How about Bathtub Gin? It has a certain ring to it.
congrats again gumtree’ From your first post I had no idea that you were a veteran to TB sales.
You have more guts than I do — sending a mare to Ky without a signed contract! Sometimes I worried when we did not have a contract by the Nov. sales. 
. Fingers crossed that the Cape Blanco sells well for you
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How about Bathtub Gin? It has a certain ring to it.[/QUOTE]
Yes it does have a ring to it. Not the same old ring around the tub I am use to though.
Have got to say this thread has been very active. Can’t help but wonder how many hits it would have gotten if the colt had gone RNA. Sorry GT, couldn’t help myself.
SD, with this bunch of speculators and conversationalists, I’d guess just about as busy but maybe different content 
[QUOTE=Shammy Davis;8633530]
I would guess that crap cakes have a similar texture and smell to cow pies. Most likely a spell (or smell) check was omitted but who knows, there are some people who enjoy things I would never touch.
I agree that a 1f sorching the earth is probably of less value than watching a 2 yr old walk on. I am sure Ivor Herbert would agree. In Australia it is the punters who keep these types of records. It is ashame horsemen the world over don’t track their horses in a central data base. I was looking over their punter site the other other day and was amazed at all the information. Sadly, it is not worth a plug nickel in the states.[/QUOTE]
While I don’t entirely disagree with this fundamental way of looking at the process of selecting a 2 year old in training. After all there are no 1 furlong races nor 2 or 3 for TBs. The “time” is only one part of the process/equation. A lot of horses can run a quick 1 or 2 furlongs but in addition to the time, more important than the time is “how” they did it. This is what buyers look for, at. Does the horse do it with ease, quicken with only a subtle urging from the jock. Does the horse gallop out (keeps running past the “finish” pole) strongly, willingly little to no urging from the rider.
Most 2 year old sales the horses arrive on the sales grounds around 2 weeks before the sale. This give them time to settle into their new surrounds and get used to galloping on the track. Buyer, most of which use agents will usually start showing up in force a few days to a week latter. All of the horses go out with a saddle cloth that has their hip number on it. I like to and I am sure most do the same watch and record hip number of horses I like day in a day out. Each day I write down the numbers but do not look up their pedigrees. Don’t want to be influenced by a “sexy” pedigree. After 5 day or so I take the each days “short list” and see what hip numbers have been noted more than once. From this list I start going around to the barns inspecting the horses. I still try not to see who they are by and or out of. Just hip numbers and my comments.
One the breeze day I sit in the stand with my binoculars and watch each horse closely their gallop up to the pole and how they “break”, move into their work. I always been big fan of how they gallop out. To most of us this is the most important part. Video replay was been a part of the sales for a long time now. But it does not “capture” the gallop out. I have an assistant who writes down hip numbers that I have comments for. We can review the video of the timed work later. In the days before video there would be a member of the team who job was to count strides from pole to pole. This has been made much easier and more accurate by those who offer “stride analysis”. Video/computer stride analysis is a great tool but IMO and experience any really good horsemen can “see” a “good” horse with or with out.
After all of this is done and we have our “short list” which is not always very short the hard work begins. We take the hip numbers and review the pedigrees. For those who are working with a large budget and or are given the permission to buy/spend what ever it takes to buy the best horse/s in the sale have it MUCH easier. Those of us who are given limited resources its much harder. Horses with good to top pedigrees that tick all the boxes we can pretty much throw out. We’d be lucky to get a bid or two in. This year OBS instituted the pre-sale vet/x-ray repository that is standard for yearling sales. So buyers can save a lot money by checking that first. Horses that remain on the short list are almost always vetted by the buyer after the breeze show. Because it is pretty much the first time the horses are really being asked to run. Sh*t can and does happen under the skin after the fact.
After all this work we take our seats at the sale and hope we have enough money to buy a horse/s that we like. This is a bit more to it than the above but I don’t have the time to “write the book”.
“I agree that a 1f sorching the earth is probably of less value than watching a 2 yr old walk on.”
At the yearling sales a “big walk” is very important because it is pretty much all with have to “work with”.
For 2 year olds in training we get to see a second “card”. How they look under saddle as a racehorse. The “time” is very important, but just if not more important is how they did it. Plenty of horses can “scorch the earth” but if they look like “egg beaters” doing it they are dismissed as “cheap speed”. Especially if they have no gallop out.
Most of the best judges of racehorses on the planet work these sales. If the time had less value then a big walk. They would just buy them as yearlings most likely for a lot less money. The majority of horses that put it all together bring the most money by and large. Does not guarantee any of them will be worth the money spent a year later but statically a buyer has a much higher chance.
This is a link to the results of this sale. It can be sorted for a number of different things. Click on “under tack” and you can change from hip number to get fastest to slowest times for the distance and the horse’s price. Or by sire, consignor etc.
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Well done Gumtree! Hope you are content with the result.[/QUOTE]
I am not always “content” but happy when my horses sell. Since the financial melt down and the contraction of the market it is much harder to get fair money if any money at all.
[QUOTE=Shammy Davis;8634171]
Yes it does have a ring to it. Not the same old ring around the tub I am use to though.
Have got to say this thread has been very active. Can’t help but wonder how many hits it would have gotten if the colt had gone RNA. Sorry GT, couldn’t help myself.[/QUOTE]
I’m surprised how “active” it has been also.
I wasn’t too worry about the horse selling for decent money. I have to pick my spots VERY carefully when selecting a horse to sent to the 2 year olds sales. The “meter” starts running in October. Even though I sent this horse to Florida to be prepped I could hear the meter spinning all the way up here in PA. I usually break and train here and then send to the consignor at the sale to save a lot on expenses.
Orders from the wife, the horse had to sell. So if it had RNA or had to be withdrawn due to an injury or lack of interest. I wouldn’t be still alive for me to read people’s comments and or write some myself. You guys would be reading that I died the cause of which is under investigation.
gumtree, thanks for that level of detail from someone who actually buys and sells from one of these “big” sales. Some of which I would think of but some I would not or not be able to put into perspective.
As a ‘not unlimited funds’ buyer, do you ever worry about tipping your hand to other prospective buyers before the actual auction or figure if there is interest, it’ll happen anyway and drive up the price, or not…?
Me? I’d get sucked into that nice liver chestnut with lots of chrome
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Orders from the wife, the horse had to sell. So if it had RNA or had to be withdrawn due to an injury or lack of interest. I wouldn’t be still alive for me to read people’s comments and or write some myself. You guys would be reading that I died the cause of which is under investigation.[/QUOTE]
:lol: :eek:
A factor that I suspect plays into more than one sale (or the reverse… how much did you pay??? )
[QUOTE=beaujolais;8633631]
You all are really awesome!!! Thanks so very, very much!! I truly appreciate your time, energy and vast knowledge.
Still, if anyone knows:
“ring the bell”?
"was looking over their punter site "? (Can you explain further and link me to one, please?)
I must go and make GT a baked ziti or something and send it to him so he doesn’t have to have crap cakes. :winkgrin: (Apologies for the stupid attempt at humor and I hope that does not offend.)
(WMW - you have a p.m., btw.)[/QUOTE]
“Ring the bell” is an expression we use when a horse sells for money many times over what we had realistically hopped for. At times “Life style” changing money. Have never gotten “life style” changing money. But know plenty that have.
Pretty sure the expression comes from the old carnival game with the big mallet and you have a whack at sending the doohickey up the pole high enough to “ring the bell”. Something only a “big horse” is strong enough to do.
“crap cakes” lol, very embarrassing. Just about all of the places I have ordered Maryland Crab cakes outside the state in it too at times turn out to be “crap cakes”. But NOT at Michael’s. I haven’t eaten at Delaware Park in a few years but they serve up excellent Crab cakes also. At least they used to.
It’s funny even though I try to proof read my comments before hitting the button I still don’t pick up on glaring mistakes. The eye/mind sees what it want to see. Spell check can be my savor or nemesis.
My profile gives a link to my address. Feel free to send me some of your Ziti, happy to pay the shipping. Love Ziti.
Thank you, so very, very much all. I am truly in awe of GTs vast knowledge and most grateful for his sharing it. (And you do write like Haskin, btw, when you do humor.) I’d surely make you a baked ziti but as I’m one state away would you really want it in the green and fuzzy state it would likely arrive in? (No way in the world would I let you pay shipping, btw.)
Costco (my favorite store) has frozen Phillips crab cakes. I hear those are the ones that the restaurants often buy. They are full of crab and not huge mayonnaise and greasy like some of the ones you get.
“your name change. It so upscale and classy”
Thanks, SD! I study French as one of my hobbies and love wines, also. 
I don’t think beaujolais are a prominent, fancy or in vogue variety nowadays, but the name was COTH available and sounded pretty. IIRC, SD was a racehorse you were fond of. It’s hard to change from that.
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Thank you, so very, very much all. I am truly in awe of GTs vast knowledge and most grateful for his sharing it. (And you do write like Haskin, btw, when you do humor.) I’d surely make you a baked ziti but as I’m one state away would you really want it in the green and fuzzy state it would likely arrive in? (No way in the world would I let you pay shipping, btw.)
Costco (my favorite store) has frozen Phillips crab cakes. I hear those are the ones that the restaurants often buy. They are full of crab and not huge mayonnaise and greasy like some of the ones you get.
“your name change. It so upscale and classy”
Thanks, SD! I study French as one of my hobbies and love wines, also. I don’t think beaujolais are a prominent, fancy or in vogue variety nowadays, but the name was COTH available and sounded pretty. IIRC, SD was a racehorse you were fond of. It’s hard to change from that.
Where’s my White - You have a PM!![/QUOTE]
So it sounds like I would be able to pick you out in a crowd at the track. You’d be the tipsy female railbird practicing slurred French, munching on once freezer burned MD crab cakes, completely attired in a fashionable Costco outfit, and wearing a well worn “Luv Chrome” baseball cap.
I fear that it won’t be long before we see the user name “Boone’s Farm.” That would take me back to memories I would rather forget.
:lol:
OK, that was the funniest thing ever!! :D. Superb, SD! I have to run out, will respond better later.
There’s ano interesting article on the Paulick report today about 2yo sales. Very informative.
[QUOTE=jennywho;8636659]
There’s ano interesting article on the Paulick report today about 2yo sales. Very informative.[/QUOTE]
Natalie Voss is an astute horse woman and accomplished writer. As you say, very thoughtful and informative.
http://www.paulickreport.com/news/bloodstock/twelve-things-learned-obs-spring-sale/
That picture of Gary Contessa is not very flattering. If he is not careful he will be mistaken for Dale Romans.
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I’m surprised how “active” it has been also.
I wasn’t too worry about the horse selling for decent money. I have to pick my spots VERY carefully when selecting a horse to sent to the 2 year olds sales. The “meter” starts running in October. Even though I sent this horse to Florida to be prepped I could hear the meter spinning all the way up here in PA. I usually break and train here and then send to the consignor at the sale to save a lot on expenses.
Orders from the wife, the horse had to sell. So if it had RNA or had to be withdrawn due to an injury or lack of interest. I wouldn’t be still alive for me to read people’s comments and or write some myself. You guys would be reading that I died the cause of which is under investigation.[/QUOTE]
So. this very active, now 4 page, thread comes down to one issue. Your wife told you to sell the colt. Shouldn’t this thread be posted under the title “Marital bliss improves racehorse profits?” Or maybe “Avoiding divorce by not racing the colt?”
GT, I am impressed by your wife’s business plan.
[QUOTE=gumtree;8627902]
Star Guitar was a running machine in La. Good breeding program also. The horse had a very good work on the time sheet.[/QUOTE]
Apparently the majority owner/managing partner agreed with you…she RNA’d at $65k. I watched her go and even though I’m not in on her myself I’m kind of glad for my partners that they get to keep her!
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