<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Midge:
Oh, I think it’s great that he wants to donate money to a good cause! Many, many people have but they did not publish the fact in a magazine along with their phone numbers and their show schedule.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Good point Midge. Really makes you feel the donations are from the heart doesn't it?Mom, I still don’t get it. A horse was electrocuted by a man who was then paid off by PV, as per prior agreement. PV collected insurance money on that horse. PV was busted. PV is paying for his crime (not a mistake–a crime.)
NOW, WHAT MORE DO WE REALLY NEED TO KNOW?!? I would be very interested to know what “first-hand facts” you possess that would show PV in a better light.
“People… they’re so
complicated. I suppose
that’s why I prefer
horses.”
Have to agree with coreene and MargaretF on this one. The manner in which PV’s horse died remains foremost in my mind when mentions of his good qualities are made.
“Of course, that’s just my opinion. I could be wrong.” - Dennis Miller
I guess the electrocuted horses got off easy. 
Courtney - he was involved with the killings of some horses in order to receive the insurance for them. He was, and still is, a top eq trainer in new england.
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by kd welden:
Paul didn’t mean to get into the trouble he did.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
He did in fact mean to cause the “trouble” he did to the horse. (by his own admission)
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Weatherford:
What would be the chance of putting those obituaries online??
PLEASE??<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I second this!
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jumphigh83:
I have a “crew” right now at 7plus an hour and they log in NINE yes NINE (3 “kids” times 3hours each)a day to do between 8 and 10 stalls!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
That is TERRIBLE! And actually, I used to own a barn and paid per stall, not per hour, for mucking. After that time, I myself had a second job for 2 1/2 years as barn help in another boarding barn & my daughter and many other kids I know (I’m active in USPC)work at area boarding barns. The barn we’re at now has set a time limit: they pay $5.50 per hour and you are to do X number of stalls in 2 hours. If you need more time, too bad. Of course, if a special circumstance arises (sick or injured horse or whatever) that requires time and attention, that’s different, but the basic stall-cleaning is 2 hours to do your assigned group, and the # of stalls is reasonable to complete in that time. When my daughter started working there she thought the barn owners very foolish for paying by the hour: my daughter would do her group in about 2 hours, and she always cleans a stall THOROUGHLY, 1 girl did her group in a little over 1 hour (and did a crappy job)and 2 kids would put down 3 or 4 hours, getting paid double what my daughter was paid for doing the same amount of work! Talk about unfair! The hard-working kids were actually penalized and earned 50% less than the kids who talked and chatted and stalled. Eventually the farm owners caught on, thus the change to ‘we’ll give you 2 hours and that’s it.’ Turning out, bringing in, feeding, bandaging, blanketing and/or boots are paid at $5.50/hour. Other barns in this area pay far less. A couple work on barter system mostly.
Another place in this area pays $X per stall - that seems to be the best way, as the slower, just-learning kids don’t feel pressure to do a shoddy job.
If it takes 3 children 3 hours to muck 8-10 stalls yes, you are being ripped off. That’s 1 hour per stall! I’d either pay them per stall or set a fair amount of time and limit them to that. How awful for you.
There are a lot of boarding barns in this area and I guess you’re right, Betsy, when I think about it I can certainly call to mind some slackers and shoddy workers. However, I can call to mind here in Central PA MANY more who are good, honest, hard-working kids and adults who are staffing area stables. You may need to find these same kids where you are! I hope you soon do.
I didn’t mean “hurting” for business-- just that everyone (even gm, seen those hunterdon ads?) needs to get the word out, esp. w/ florida coming up.
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Regarding Weatherford’s very sad tale: Had the groom not spilled the beans, the unsuspecting owner probably would have used the insurance payout to go horse shopping again with the same trainer once the grieving period was over. Quite innocently! Another ten percent for me, thinks the trainer.
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tosca:
My horse has ten times the class of this individual. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Hear, hear! I think that horses have more grace and class than people, generally speaking.
Thank You Laurie B.
It seems so sad when you see the photos of the Hulicks showing and riding.
Like it was all fake and doomed. 
I DIDN’T KNOW ANY HORSES died at the world trade center on sept 11…so what is the conversation about…give 50 percent to what wouldn’t it be better to give to the victims…nyfd nypd etc etc …
I think it is the sand in my cats’ box…must be… 
Betsy
Lead, follow, or get out of the way…
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>If these horses were so amazing (which I assume they were) and you wanted money, why didn’t you just sell them? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Ryan, as I understand it, that was the problem. They TRIED to sell the horses, but, for various reasons, the price they would sell for was WAY less than the price they were insured for.
Thank you, scotchie!
PS Is he going to publish a financial statement? How do we KNOW that this is what is going to happen in the REAL world??? I promise 100% of all my barn money to help the Sacred Bleeding Heart of the Self Serving…what I say and what I do are TWO different things…we already have reason (precident) NOT to believe the man. I need more than a bleeding heart AD to convince me. I was really taken aback by the whole thing. To me the arrogance is offensive.
So are the lessons tax deductable? Is he now a tax exempt CHARITY??
Betsy
Lead, follow, or get out of the way…
Good Heavens!!! Someone who is barred from judging recognized shows is being hired to judge a state medal finals?!?!
What are they thinking???
‘If ignorance is bliss, why aren’t more people happy?’
I wonder if the people who still ride with these trainers and profess to loving their own retired horses so much would feel the same if it had been their own horses who had suffered these horrible, not accidental or mistaken fates? 
Yes, and I have lost respect for her for doing that. Ugh…
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