Hmm… Paul is a four letter word too!
Aleesha
DRESSAGE, n.: the passionate pursuit of perfection by the obsessively imperfect
Midge you say it well, leave me with nothing to add.
A few years ago a parent of one of Pauls junior riders said to me, “Paul is a good person that just did a bad thing”. I was literally speechless! I wish I hadn’t been so stunned, I would have loved to hear how he made that separation!
Judge I had last week asked the ADA (at sidebar of course) “Are you an attorney or do you just play one on TV?”
I love my job sometimes.
I am taking this afternoon off - here’s the horserelated part - to go RIDE! bye.
Someone emailed me and I accidentally lost the addy. If you want to try again I have no problem with that!
Betsy
Lead, follow, or get out of the way…
There were some helper dogs who died along with their handicapped owners up on one of the floors as a group of disabled waited for help that did not get there in time. At least one bomb sniffing dog in the basement.
Money will not help them now. Some pets no doubt did die in adjacent apartments or ran off as they were evacuated. Most either reclaimed or adopted.
Puzzled why the money was not designated for horses who suffer daily abuse and neglect regardless of the headlines. After all it was a horse who was killed to collect insurance money. Not a dog who died among 4,000 humans
From Allergy Valley USA
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Michelle Mc:
I am taking this afternoon off - here’s the horserelated part - to go RIDE! bye.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Must be a nice job!! 
You know, everytime I see that stuff in print it just makes me cry. Then I get so angry. I just think back to when I was a very poor, horse-crazy young kid with loads of talent and a kind heart. What I would’ve done to have had a horse— any horse— let alone of the calibre of Rub the Lamp or Charisma. And then to think, with apparently a lot of planning and no remorse, these lovely creatures were electrocuted, beaten to death, “cremated” (burned alive), or whacked with a crowbar because, boo-hoo, they just weren’t being the champions they were supposed to be.
Why didn’t they all just suck it up and be “men” about it? 
“Friends don’t let friends eat fish tacos.”
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Charis:
THIS IS THE FINAL STRAW FOR ME!!!
First the mean spirited posts of late…now incessant hateful vents by those who are NOT aware of all the circumstances. "
=== I’m sorry, I just cannot conceive of a circumstance under which I would hire someone to electrocute my horse and then file an insurance claim…
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Farmer Bob raises 100 head of Angus which end up in Five Star Restaurants; this is how he makes his living - by raising cattle for profit. He feeds and cares for his cattle knowing that ultimately they will end up in someone’s freezer. Farmer Bob DOES NOT take out an insurance policy, contract for the termination of the herd, and collect ill gotten gain from his CRIMINAL activity.
Apples & oranges…
I find these horse killers for hire and all of the agents/persons involved to be a waste of the air I breath - I would say that to their face if I did know them. But I try not to consort with those types of folks. I don’t care if they ARE terribly talented and hold the secrets of the universe in the very palm of their hand. Thank you very much but I’d rather settle for dead last than to have to maintain a working relationship with anyone who participates in this type of activity. They are no better than the a$$holes that stand by the pit and watch their dogs fight to the death for the purpose of $$ gain.
The only condolence is that there is most certainly a special place in he!! for these people. Flame away - say they’re paying their debt or have paid their debt. In a “justice” system where serial rapists and convicted murderers are released on “good behavior” - often to do a “repeat performance”…well, I’m sure we can all think of at least one instance where justice was not served. Do you think the person who procured the services of Tommy Burns thought that the horse was getting what he deserved (justice)?? Just like I’d like to put some of the idiot drivers I see in the horse trailer and take them for a spin so they could have an idea of how pulling out in front of a rig affects the horses, I’d like to hook those boys up to a car battery for a few seconds…at a time.
There is no crying in baseball!!!
I thought he was shot by a groom who was angry and wasted on something…I could be mistaken.
Betsy
Lead, follow, or get out of the way…
Don’t kid yourself - Paul is STILL a top eq trainer, just not ON show grounds.
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Regardless of you feel, people, can’t you give it up?
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BronkBusterTX:
Actually Paul has several old equitation horses and jumpers retired at his farm in Rhode Island, Acres Wild/Sail Away.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I’m glad that he cares for some horses. I guess we can be grateful that he can still earn a living so as to keep these horses. I just wish his living did not involve horses.
I grew up thinking so much of Mr. Valliere, both because of his judging and because of how well his students rode. It saddens and sickens me that he was part of the killing of these wonderful and defenceless creatures. Personally, I could never be a part of supporting him, in any way, today.
I read your post after returning with my lunch and now am too nauseated to eat.
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Again, how will any actions by Paul Valliere affect the lives of anyone on this BB? So why bitch about it?
MOM
My name is Alexis Bline. My email is in my profile. I have never met any of the lovely bunch who were killing horses for insurance money. What they did was despicable. No, I don’t not know them but their actions are public knowledge. PV put an ad in the Chronicle publicizing his generosity at the time his ten year review is coming up. This is also a fact. I don’t think they should let him or anyone of them back in the AHSA. This is my opinion. He still does great business, so the only thing hurt is his reputation. Backing off of his suspension would not send a good message to the membership IMHO. He had his chance for many years and he and others screwed up.
I’m sorry that you feel that people who aren’t ‘players’ on the A circut have no business showing concern for the welfare of horses. I am also sorry this is a common feeling.
Oh well 
The thought of what those horses went through still has the power to make me sick to my stomach.
The grooms in the LP incident were charged and sent back to Mexico by the INS.
I am glad to hear Ms. McKelvey is happily married and still riding! My information on that was from a LONG time ago, and I apologize.
One of the reasons LPHS may feel funny, Abby, is it is one show to which the INS ALWAYS goes - and someone always knows they are coming/there, and the place clears out! It is a sad commentary on our industry that the riders can’t deal with their horses at the show ring without the grooms, and that we need to hire illegals to work - rather than taking to time to get them legal working papers OR hiring those already legal.
Ew, someone near where I board did that. Sick. Fortunatley they are no longer in the business.
~Courtney~
Are you sure it was the sand that the head was pulled out of???
