please.explain this to me

^ not sure about USDF rules, but I know in Canada, people will passport their horse under “grade” rather than have an “undesireable” breed listed.

Not always, and less common now than it was 10 years ago (I’m told, by people who have done this…I haven’t been involved in this myself)…but passport applications don’t require you to disclose a horse’s breeding. COULD be difficult to find a horse by breed for this reason.

Some people are really proud of owning/competing “off” breeds, but other people seem to want to hide it, the reasons I generally hear are more related to resale value.

I can’t imagine you’d list a stallion as a grade on an entry form. Certainly not a good idea from a marketing perspective.
The OP seems to have her nose a bit out of joint, though I’m not sure why. OP, when you can, will you at least share your horse’s name with us? I only asked about pictures again because a few days had passed and I thought you might be able to post them. No attack there.

Well, I ride two appies in the dressage ring. No disguising what they are!

^ yep, the Clydesdale is kind of a giveaway too…even if I clipped her feather (which I will NOT!)

She still holds the record for highest Training Level score among my horses. It may have been her best day ever. :yes:

People often ask me about her breeding, they assume she’s a Shire. Because she isn’t bay, I think.

So is the stallion in question Let Me Loose?

It has already been explained to the OP that there are PLENTY of “sporthorse” type classes that are open to all breeds; materiale, in-hand and regular old dressage. This was done in a prior thread where she was whining. Maybe she has a learning disability or something, 'cause she still doesn’t seem to get it.

Anyone who has a stallion they are trying to promote should not be shy about posting pics/pedigree/performance record. She has not and in fact is being very coy about the whole thing.

Smells like 3 day fish, if you ask me…

It’s just bitching & whining…she seems to think if we feel sorry for her we’ll breed to her stallion.

Didn’t take long for her to post enough other facts to figure out the horse’s name, although he doesn’t have the sport record she says (he’s not even USEF recorded) - in fact the only score I could find was a schooling show 58% at intro from a few years ago. I couldn’t find a single picture of him online, even in his stallion ad.

If you want sport horse breeders to take your stallion seriously, he’s going to need to compete.

[QUOTE=JWB;7266892]
Didn’t take long for her to post enough other facts to figure out the horse’s name, although he doesn’t have the sport record she says (he’s not even USEF recorded) - in fact the only score I could find was a schooling show 58% at intro from a few years ago. I couldn’t find a single picture of him online, even in his stallion ad.

If you want sport horse breeders to take your stallion seriously, he’s going to need to compete.[/QUOTE]

Well, you are obviously smarter than me! What makes you so sure the one you found is the OP’s stallion?

Maybe I can use your superior sleuthing skills in the future…:yes:

And if you are right…58% in INTRO?:eek: Good gravy, I had a WB mare who did better than that w/only 6 rides on her…

She posted this in another thread a two days ago… From there it was pretty easy to find a full sister and look up her stallion son. A simple google search of his name found this stallion ad which does jive with the few details she’s given out in this thread. But the stallion does not have any USEF record, nor does his owner.

[I]Sorry let Me clarify.

My mare was.a.kitaman granddaughter. I am having difficulty finding information regarding him. I do know he was heavily bred and into paint lines. Have a paint that is cousin of my stallion with him in lines. I want to get as much info as I can for my info to be more educated on the lines.

The horse in question, brassy bugs, is a full sister to my stallions dam, and evidently has also had successful offspring so I am curious of any information given regarding her or that line.

I really do want to offer him for western disciplines if people are interested in him, but I would like to be educated to find out what could be beneficial. I just don’t want to appear ignorant.

Thank you again.[/I]

[QUOTE=JWB;7266915]
She posted this in another thread a two days ago… From there it was pretty easy to find a full sister and look up her stallion son. A simple google search of his name found this stallion ad which does jive with the few details she’s given out in this thread. But the stallion does not have any USEF record, nor does his owner.

[I]Sorry let Me clarify.

My mare was.a.kitaman granddaughter. I am having difficulty finding information regarding him. I do know he was heavily bred and into paint lines. Have a paint that is cousin of my stallion with him in lines. I want to get as much info as I can for my info to be more educated on the lines.

The horse in question, brassy bugs, is a full sister to my stallions dam, and evidently has also had successful offspring so I am curious of any information given regarding her or that line.

I really do want to offer him for western disciplines if people are interested in him, but I would like to be educated to find out what could be beneficial. I just don’t want to appear ignorant.

Thank you again.[/I][/QUOTE]

Wait a sec! NOW she wants to offer him to the western disciplines? I thought he was so suited for dressage (better than a WB, she said).

And the “70% at 2nd Level and moving up” is just straight BS?

Well, I think it’s way too late to NOT appear ignorant for this poster…personally I would like to get a hold of whatever she’s been smoking…

[QUOTE=Kyzteke;7266929]
Wait a sec! NOW she wants to offer him to the western disciplines? I thought he was so suited for dressage (better than a WB, she said).

And the “70% at 2nd Level and moving up” is just straight BS?

Well, I think it’s way too late to NOT appear ignorant for this poster…personally I would like to get a hold of whatever she’s been smoking…[/QUOTE]

Oh my I just came across this I can’t believe I missed out! The OP has come out of the woodwork on all the boards. You name it she has done it or knows everyone and everything and then gets her feelings hurt when you question her. I think she has gone above and beyond to show shes had one to many bowls of fruit loops.

Is this ad for real?
http://www.stallionsnow.com/stallion-ad-782537

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Oh my I just came across this I can’t believe I missed out! The OP has come out of the woodwork on all the boards. You name it she has done it or knows everyone and everything and then gets her feelings hurt when you question her. I think she has gone above and beyond to show shes had one to many bowls of fruit loops.

Is this ad for real?
http://www.stallionsnow.com/stallion-ad-782537[/QUOTE]

Yep, she’s popped up on several different boards and each time she tells us a different story.

Heaven love the Internet…it has it’s short-comings for sure, but when it comes to “outting” a bullshipper (;)) it can’t be beat…

Last time I checked this was a SPORTHORSE breeders forum. Not a warmblood breeders forum as you have tried to turn it into. You all are like the dang school bullies that mock anything different or that you don’t know. You don’t know quarter horses and don’t see them as possibly being competitive so you mock them and all other breeds.

I have never portrayed by stallion to be anything other than he was. Never tried to call him a warmblood as frankly it is people like you that make me want to have nothing to do with your little clique. There are exceptions to that and those people know who you are and I thank you for your input. It was valued and appreciated.

As for my stallion yes he is USDF registered as am I. I unlike many people don’t stick my head in the sand and what I don’t know I ask a group that might. I would expect you divas to know anything about QH lines so I asked in the western forums. Thanks to the assistance of some I have found that line to be very diverse which I am thrilled to learn. They bred for well rounded horses and it shows. They are winning in multiple.disciplines. Western dressage is getting more popular and I have noticed a trend in recent years for a bigger moving more forward hunter. So would I be interested in crossing into the western dressage realm ? You bet. I doubt they will be lining up to breed to your warmbloods. I have had barrel people inquire based on his bloodlines. I know very very little of barrel horses and their lines so any information I can gain is appreciated. I am not directly marketing him that direction but if someone wants to chance that after explained to them he is better suited to sport horse disciplines then so be it provided their made is not a genetic carrier of an unwanted disease or closely inbred.

As for his scores, not that it is really any of your business but the weather was atrocious that day with tornado warnings at majestic farm. I had to get off three times in the middle of the test and finished in pouring rain and thunder cracks in an outdoor arena. He had 30 days on him at that point and it was a learning experience. The judges did comment to as to what a nice horse he was and that he was able to keep his head about him during the weather. Were anxious to see him come back to show on a good day. I think anyone with that broken of a ride and a closed ring is not going to have the ideal test. I’m certainly not going to crucify him for it. We had to take several years off following that due to health issues of mine and no not mental as you so rudely inferred. During that time my trainer worked with him and developed him into a second level horse. He has shown a few times in small unrated local shows to get us back in the feel and thus where the scores came from. If interested breeders came to inquire I would happily show them the score sheets.

I have noticed a nasty trend in here. It is not about learning and educating it is about being part of the clique. I dare say 90% of your stallions can’t churn out an I1 test. I don’t know if mine can. Only time will tell. You made fun of the horse Lance which was out of place. I dare say none of you have ridden that horse so who are you to judge him ? Would I promote him as a stud no. I do think it wise to geld him. That being said regardless of if the little guy is a Heinz 57 or a pure Hanoverian if he is a quality schoolmaster for someone to learn upper level movements on he is a very worthy horse. Stating he is a breed he is not was out of line but that has already been resolved. Most of the horses produced are NOT going to be upper level horses. Heck as one person eloquently stated there are many popular stallions going off low level records. I even know of stallions yes warmbloods that are standing on a bloodline chance only. Never set foot in the show ring for one reason or another. What makes them any different ?

To the breeder that suggested the AWS thank you. It focuses on performance as opposed to breed and has performance or inspection requirements and is open to all breeds. It will allow me to get an outside opinion on my stallions sport qualities. I appreciate that. Exactly what I was looking for.

I stated in the ad the only way to go was up. Which I believe to be true. We are both physically in a place to move forward and I look forward to this years show season. As much as we all would like our horses to be Olympic champions the realities of that are slim. The list is small and there are a lot of nice horse and rider combos vying for those few spots. My goal is to produce a sound, even tempered, athletic horse which I have done so far. I’m not interested in breeding a ton of mares. I would rather have a few nice babies that I know will have homes than send semen to whoever and hope it turns out okay. I take great care in choosing the mares I cross him with and so far have not been disappointed.

As for my background yes it is diverse. I want to learn and experience different aspects of the sport I love. I love and can appreciate a good horse of all types. I was thrilled to see the saddlebreds at the national show. They are part of usef and used in other areas of sport I would love to see a place for them to feel welcome in here. Currently I am working with a Morgan and Arab lady to learn more about their world. I love it. My passion is thoroughbreds for I think there is not a horse out there with more heart. Why I love the appendix you get the best of both worlds. I spent a little time in the quarter horse world in pleasure and English hunters. Learned, appreciated them, but not quite what I was looking for. Transitioned into hunters and jumpers where I gained further experience in my teen years. Moved from my former home up north where I purchased my made as a jumper prospect only to discover ky at the time was seriously lacking in the jumper department (unlike now). Eventing was what was big so I gave that a try. Enjoyed it, went to Canada to ride for a year, rode for my college team but I saw more detriment to the horses and riders I decided my horses were not worth the risk of the new formats. As a result I ended up in dressage which became my focus for several reasons. It can be done on any horse to improve them. Didn’t require extreme amounts of money. There were no “fads” unlike now. And it was a constant pursuit of perfection which fits my personality perfectly. The horse was scored against the test not other horses which is how it should be. You can be big and flashy all you want but not accurate will hurt you. I loved at the dressage nationals seeing all the fun different breeds that were there. I was thrilled to see off breeds being competitive. Yeah there was a bunch of warmbloods but a lot of others. Even if my guy is approved by the was I won’t call him an american warmblood. He will always be an appendix and of that I am proud. If I produce a horse people can ride and enjoy and learn on consistently even if at the lower levels then I have done well. They may not be as brilliant or whatever but they can still get the job done and teach. If my QH can do I1 movements maybe not perfect but can do them. I am learning as a rider. Last time I checked that was what mattered. Not selling youngsters for exorbitant prices because of simply who their daddy is when you don’t even know what they can do.would suck if your 20k warmblood baby hated dressage. Of course you would probably force it that direction because of money involved and he was built for that. With a QH or TB many routes you can go.

So to end things, you all can screw yourselves because frankly I don’t care for the attitudes. I have been nothing but polite and respectful while venting a frustration. When I learned of other options I let things rest. It is ignorance that keeps digging it up. What people want to own and people want to ride are two different things. Yeah it is great to say I own this great horse, but it is too much for me and instead struggle in frustration. Or to have a horse you can get on, ride and enjoy the ride though it may not be as flashy. I’m not looking to market to the Olympians. I’m looking to market to your average rider that wants a taste or to give it a go at lower/mid levels. If it goes higher great, but I know my market and it is working for me.

I think Mayor Rob Ford has bought himself a QH stallion…

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I think Mayor Rob Ford has bought himself a QH stallion…[/QUOTE]

Bahahahahahah! Popping popcorn!

Where is a obscene gesture button when you need one. However class prevents that and I was taught if you can’t say anything nice don’t speak at all. Took bad some peoples parents didn’t teach them the same.

[QUOTE=Kyzteke;7266725]
It has already been explained to the OP that there are PLENTY of “sporthorse” type classes that are open to all breeds; materiale, in-hand and regular old dressage. This was done in a prior thread where she was whining. Maybe she has a learning disability or something, 'cause she still doesn’t seem to get it.

Anyone who has a stallion they are trying to promote should not be shy about posting pics/pedigree/performance record. She has not and in fact is being very coy about the whole thing.

Smells like 3 day fish, if you ask me…

It’s just bitching & whining…she seems to think if we feel sorry for her we’ll breed to her stallion.[/QUOTE]

Wouldn’t breed to your mares if you paid me. I look for people wo value their babies for more than a dollar sign.

No one said a QH can’t do dressage. You came here saying yours was exceptional and he is showing and winning and going to do 4th level. We asked for more info on your stallion and you said it was coming but it never did.

Check with USDF and USEA because your supposed records are not coming up with either and I found my lone foray into a USDF show from several years ago, and I’ve never been a member! And USEF records everything that goes on in USDF, USHJA and USEA. They don’t have your stallion listed either.

The issue with Lance was not his different breeding. It was that his owner decided to give him a fraudulent pedigree. That’s where the grudge comes from. Some wouldn’t want him but most agree he’ll make a great gelding. And hey, he has a searchable record. There are lots of strong opinions and tons of viewpoints but most are fair.
However there is little tolerance of BS here. Folks who exaggerate or lie outright are quickly called out.

By the way, folks can search for scores at rated shows here: http://www.centerlinescores.com/

Evidently it is you that is brain damaged. As I stated, he showed in unrated local stuff coming back. What part of that did you not understand. Scores are scores. A lot of horses are schooling more at home. Doesn’t mean they show it when they aren’t confirmed. I won’t go there unless I think we can be competitive at that level.

I do not have to justify myself nor my horses to you. My stallion did not event nor will he ever. I do not care for the direction the sport has gone. His dam did 15 years ago. I am thrilled aqha is recognizing dressage now. Did the year she retired sadly.

My stallion is lovely and I don’t need the faceless internet to validate that for me. I will see you in the ring this spring. If you are brave enough.

[QUOTE=fire_911medic;7267388]
Evidently it is you that is brain damaged. As I stated, he showed in unrated local stuff coming back. What part of that did you not understand. Scores are scores. A lot of horses are schooling more at home. Doesn’t mean they show it when they aren’t confirmed. I won’t go there unless I think we can be competitive at that level.

I do not have to justify myself nor my horses to you. My stallion did not event nor will he ever. I do not care for the direction the sport has gone. His dam did 15 years ago. I am thrilled aqha is recognizing dressage now. Did the year she retired sadly.

My stallion is lovely and I don’t need the faceless internet to validate that for me. I will see you in the ring this spring. If you are brave enough.[/QUOTE]

popcorn and now wine!

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