Proud member of the Clinton Anderson "Tree Hugger Club"

[mvp]

[QUOTE=Pennywell Bay;8202609]
Sigh SmarkPak. Classy as always. What will the masses have to complain about with your explanation? (agree it is a legit concern from all angles)[/QUOTE]

I guess you can fire up the resentment machine ‘cause I don’t have a complaint…… yet. I don’t care which way this gets solved-- CA changes his stripes in response to sponsors’ unhappiness or sponsors withdraw their support. But the solution will come in the action.

And out of curiosity, I’d like to be the fly on the wall when CA is asked to explain to a large revenue source why he needed to call a mare a whore in front of a family crowd interested in learning to train horses better. Just want to know how that logic works…. on both sides.

[trubandloki]

[QUOTE=Alagirl;8203551]
Compare to the Gunsils from the Savvy Club?[/QUOTE]
Do not know what Gunsils are. Sorry.

[Alagirl]

[QUOTE=trubandloki;8203623]
Do not know what Gunsils are. Sorry.[/QUOTE]

the unsavvy people, not following PPs teachings.
but a bad word, really.

[Kwill]

I went looking for the term gunsils and came across this post:

Oh, the other day, for example…actually, TODAY, I was taking Juliet into the round pen to do some jumping at liberty. No biggie. SO I set up the jump, and sent her off, and she went over, jumping nicely. Then I got her in a nice canter, but you have to go to phase 4 still to get her to canter at liberty (though, we’re getting MUCH better!) And three of the ladies at my barn were watching me. And they are smiling and nodding, like they approve. I think ‘Ok, that’s cool’

And then, one of them speaks.
‘I’m glad your finally punishing her for all the times she’s nipped you, Jessica’

I nearly fell over. ONE, Juliet barely nips me anymore, TWO, if she does, I body block it XD Fair enough. Punishment? Hey, ok, whatever works for you >_>

Oh, and then there is LINDA! Teehee!! The ‘natural horsewoman’ of our barn, the lady who knows everything, and gives everyone lessons, even adults older then her.

And the lady who rides her horse in a standing martingale.

Heh. Gunsils are SO entertaining.

My bold for emphasis. That made me chuckle. Horse bites her (still!) she body blocks it. Good grief.

Had to add more, got better:

yeah gunsils can be hilarious sometimes. I haven’t really dealt with any in quite awhile. But one time I was talking to my neighbor and I was explaining how I play with the horses before I do anything else with them. ANd he, in total seriousness says “Don’t you just catch them, put the saddle on and ride?” it never occured to him that anybody would ever do anything with a horse except ride it. And these ppl were thinking about getting horses! scary thought.

And for the most ironic post …

Yeah, gunsils are so stuck in the past sometimes. Silly humans and their grudges. Why would you punish a horse for all the times she nipped you?! Some people just need some savvy smacked into them.

Apparently you can hit people, but not horses.

[mvp]

[QUOTE=Alagirl;8203626]
the unsavvy people, not following PPs teachings.
but a bad word, really.[/QUOTE]

They’re spelling it wrong, and it means this? http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=gunsel

Really? That’s the term Parelli chose to refer to the uninitiated?

[Kwill]

And none of them know what it means, apparently. Since they all adopt its usage, proudly.

But, it’s obvious where Parelli is going with that …

Edit: actually, it makes little sense, at all … in the Maltese Falcon, which is where the term came into popular culture usage, the “gunsel” is a trigger happy young man who works for the villain. He’s not very bright. So maybe that’s it.

[rockymouse]

The word “gunsel” is fairly uncommon but I hear it sometimes. It means a tenderfoot who makes goofball errors or misjudgments: as in, “I can’t believe that gunsel rode with his bit upside down.”

It can also be used to describe an unfavorable animal, in the the same way that “puke” is also used: “Not only did that gunsel buck me off but he left me there stranded.”

I’ve never seen it written as gunsil. I also didn’t know that its in use by Parelli-ites.

[mvp]

[QUOTE=Kwill;8203646]
And none of them know what it means, apparently. Since they all adopt its usage, proudly.

But, it’s obvious where Parelli is going with that …

Edit: actually, it makes little sense, at all … in the Maltese Falcon, which is where the term came into popular culture usage, the “gunsel” is a trigger happy young man who works for the villain. He’s not very bright. So maybe that’s it.[/QUOTE]

Right but the “young male sexual companion” thing was what struck me as quite the strong/dirty version of a criticism of someone who just doesn’t know about one’s school of horsemanship.

You know what I mean. Some vulgar epithets are stronger/worse than others. One must temper one’s vulgarity, choosing the right word for the context and level of contempt. Cursing willy-nilly is lame.

[Kwill]

I found this from a thread on here from a long time ago. It has since been removed from the original source.

Gunsil
The name horses give to people who have had a savvy bypass! Horses apply gunsil tests continuously, some are: stepping on your foot, knocking your hat off, snorting all over you, slobbering on you, bucking you off, nipping, biting, kicking, pushing you over, doing the opposite of what you want, refusing to get in the trailer, wash rack, race barriers, roping box, etc.!

[Alagirl]

[QUOTE=mvp;8203644]
They’re spelling it wrong, and it means this? http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=gunsel

Really? That’s the term Parelli chose to refer to the uninitiated?[/QUOTE]

Yes.
(I might have spelled it wrong…)

But yeah…the non-believers, (SHUUUUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN) are called that!

[Kwill]

I agree with you mvp, it is an incredibly inappropriate and coarse word to coin as a catchphrase, in any circumstance, and even if he didn’t understand what it meant when he started using it, that’s inexcusable ignorance.

For those who like to look at subtexts, the common practice of these guys to look down on perceived weakness and to use derogatory words to describe people who they categorize as the other (gunsel, whore, bitch, tree hugger) is really rather disturbing.

[rockymouse]

While the word may have had a coarse origin, it’s moved well past that meaning and taken on a different meaning (the tenderfoot, the unfavorable animal). I very much doubt that Parelli or the rancher or the average user knows anything about the word’s origin.

For what it’s worth, when I hear it used, it’s typically laced with something close to affection. Someone exclaiming “that gunsel!” is pretty close to saying “that big dope!”

[LookmaNohands]

Really, let’s call inexperienced horse people unpleasant names. What company doesn’t want to sponsor someone like that?

:rolleyes:

[Pennywell_Bay]

Gunsel or however you spell it is my new favorite word, with my SO being 11 years younger than I. However, for my definition I would need to add " who lets the dogs in and out and attempts horse chores"

[trubandloki]

I admit it, I am confused.

I simply was telling the person that NWC = No Worries Club, which is Clinton Anderson’s little group you join.
I have no idea what they call their outsiders, well I guess I do now, from this thread. Tree Huggers.

I will admit that Mr. Trub likes CA. Him and his trainer/friend go to the nearest tour stop every year. (I do not follow CA at all, and I will not let him do CA stuff to my horse.) I will have to ask him if he sees that CA has gotten more crass and rough.

[Frostbitten]

I know, maybe someone should sponsor a Gunsel vs Pepperoni clinic. Think of the possibilities! We will have to think up the challenges to be faced by both sides…

[SLW]

OP- good for you to bring CA’s off color remarks to the attention of the tour sponsors. It may be that CA is in a bubble and not aware of how off putting his remarks are and that no one on his staff is willing to tell him “hey, you sound like a jerk out there in the pen.” If CA doesn’t care how he sounds then at least the sponsors are informed of what they are supporting.

[findeight]

[QUOTE=LookmaNohands;8203787]
Really, let’s call inexperienced horse people unpleasant names. What company doesn’t want to sponsor someone like that?

:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

Hey, that’s me!, I’m a gunsil because I am inexperienced riding in a standing martingale sometimes when jumping. Good to know.

When do I graduate to experienced? I started riding in 1968.

[Guilherme]

[QUOTE=mvp;8203657]
Right but the “young male sexual companion” thing was what struck me as quite the strong/dirty version of a criticism of someone who just doesn’t know about one’s school of horsemanship.

You know what I mean. Some vulgar epithets are stronger/worse than others. One must temper one’s vulgarity, choosing the right word for the context and level of contempt. Cursing willy-nilly is lame.[/QUOTE]

The first time I heard the word was in late grade school (late '50s) and it was in the context of discussing gangsters (I grew up just outside Chicago ). I was unaware of Dashiel Hammet connection; I didn’t read detective stories in those days.

I believe I’ve heard it used in the early '60s in one or more B-Westerns as slang for a “tenderfoot.”

Interesting what you find when open a dictionary, though, eh?!?!?!

G.

P.S. In discussing this remember that this whole organization makes up its own language as it goes along.

[mvp]

[QUOTE=rockymouse;8203739]
While the word may have had a coarse origin, it’s moved well past that meaning and taken on a different meaning (the tenderfoot, the unfavorable animal). I very much doubt that Parelli or the rancher or the average user knows anything about the word’s origin.

For what it’s worth, when I hear it used, it’s typically laced with something close to affection. Someone exclaiming “that gunsel!” is pretty close to saying “that big dope!”[/QUOTE]

Fair enough. And you must be right. I was just stuck in the original meaning because I had to look it up. Hanging out with Merriam-Webster will do that to you.

But the claim that horses have their own (modernize) slang for us and discuss doofus handlers among themselves. That’s quoted above, but with no source. I assume it comes from some Parelli site. Now I’m re-confused.