Pullback Owners Anonymous

Hello everyone. My name is OverandOnward, and I own a pullback.

That is, a horse that can’t be tied because it will panic and throw itself back against the lead and halter in a mad scramble that can’t be controlled.

My pullback is the panic-explosion kind, not the mildly just-testing-you kind. If this linked post happened to him - if he were tied to anything fixed - the same fate might well occur. Death, or serious injury, to him and to humans as well. And possible damage to whatever he was tied to. (That thread & post are what inspired this thread.)

Back when I was a lesson kid there was a pullback in the barn. I saw what it was like, and I swore I would never live like that, I would not grow up to be the owner of such a travesty. But then things happened … there was this and there was that … and I guess I wasn’t as strong as I thought I was. Now I have this for-life horse and he’s a pullback. :no:

Thank you everyone, but – I don’t need help. I’m choosing to stay sick and addicted. :yes: I’m choosing not to try to cure my pullback any further than I’ve already done, training him to stand without being tied.

Because of the thread linked above about the death of a pullback horse who was tied to a tree by a trainer, panicked and broke his skull, I am writing out instructions on how to handle my horse if it must be done while I am not there. What to do to get his cooperation. What not to do for his safety and everyone else’s.

I am giving the written instructions to the BO and the BM. I’m not going to ask anyone to sign an agreement or anything that will probably make them uncomfortable. It’s enough that they have the instructions in writing.

I’m choosing to live with never-ever-ever tying him to anything. Not even with a quick release knot (which isn’t quick and doesn’t release after a horse has sat back against it and hardened it.) Not even with quick-release snaps, which I’ve found don’t always release, and anyway the horse already pulled back because his head was fastened.

My horse and I get along fine, happily enabling each other. He now stands cooperatively without tying for grooming and tacking. I can body-clip him with a rope over his neck. In fact, once I arrived at an event desperately late, about to miss my dressage start time, and he stood like a rock beside the trailer tack room door while I flung brushes and tack on him. Didn’t have to waste any seconds tying & untying, saved lots of steps to where he would have been tied. Bless him. (We finished 6th.)

By choosing to stay sick, I must also choose the far more difficult task of a lifetime (his) of making sure other people don’t tie him. I have to be there when the owners of other horses who tie can leave it to the barn management to handle some routine horse management tasks. I try always to take the responsibility for handling him myself. But I do go on vacation, or am just out-of-pocket when he abruptly needs something. There are the people who cluelessly forget and automatically tie a horse so they can get on with things. There are the people who don’t believe such a sweet calm face could do something like that. :eek:

But the biggest danger is the people who aren’t going to let a horse - any horse they handle - get away with refusing to be tied. They might be fellow boarders, farriers, trainers … They think they know better. They’ve secretly decided that while I’m not around and they must handle him, they are going to straighten him out.

I have learned the hard way that I have to assume that everyone has that potential unless, in my turn, I’ve secretly :cool: given them an in-depth psychological analysis to figure out where they really stand on the issue of tie vs. no-tie. When I hear “you don’t need to be there, we’ll handle him,” red flags go up. They might be sincere about that, but they might have another agenda in mind. There are people who think that all that’s needed is a firm hand, who perhaps can’t conceive of the destructiveness and danger of a real pullback like mine in full panic, or else think they can control it.

I’m writing instructions for the barn because it occurred to me that I can’t assume other people know how to prevent disaster. And especially because in this way I can indirectly confront those who have secretly decided they don’t believe in how I handle my pullback horse and they aren’t going to do it that way. Even though they’ve seen the effectiveness and it would be easier to just do what I do.

And frankly, in light of what happened at the Houston area barn resulting in the death of the horse, I want to be sure people are informed by more than a conversation with details they may later forget. I especially hope it will also impress on them that this is not negotiable. That it would be profoundly unwise to try to ‘train’ my horse when I didn’t ask them to.

Thanks everybody. :yes:

Now it’s the next pullback owner’s turn. Where are you in your addiction, and what are you doing about it? Are you seeking a cure or have you decided it makes more sense to just stay sick? Or - are you steadfastly maintaining denial? :wink:

:slight_smile:

Hi, my name is Pinkdiamondracing-- and I am the owner of a Pullback.

Said pullback is 16-- and has done this for years, did it with previous owner, but at some point in his life–was tieable.

He mainly pulls back if he is tied while being saddled-- once tacked, and walked off, girth tightened, he then can sometimes be tied without incident, but this is not always the case.

I have taught him to ground tie, which is working well for both of us.

Thank you.

I am also an official member - POA.

I didn’t have time for my mare for awhile and all she had to do was lead to the pasture in the morning and lead to her stall at night.

Over the years have tried to tie her many times; once in awhile it goes OK, but then “BLAMMO.” Big disaster, dust everywhere, broken ties, broken leads, broken halter, and a loose horse running down the road/through the barn/down the drive in a state of panic.

Gave up tying for a long time. Always easier to make excuses for her. She is such a great horse in many other ways, who needs tying on top of it.

Now that I am showing, I would cut off my right arm to have a horse that ties. Yes, she can tie to the trailer (loosely) while I am standing right there brushing, but I cannot leave her. I am envious when I look around and see ALL the other horses quietly tied to their trailers sleeping or eating hay. I have to have another person with me at all times, so I can enter classes, go to the bathroom, or do anything.

So many people have offered to “fix” her for me. In my mind, I realize she is just the horse that will break her neck while trying to be “taught” to tie. She has broken away so many times I’m not sure she can be “fixed.”

She is my life horse, so may be cursed and holding a horse for a very long, long time.

I own a horse that has pulled back on a few occasions. Though this is not a chronic problem I do not take her for granted, or any horse for that matter. In a lot of cases I prefer not to tie.
I have seen well trained horses get startled and pull back and come close to injuring people and/or themselves. I consider myself lucky that I have not had to witness injury or fatality.
Tying in itself goes against the a horses nature.

I too am a pullback owner. Although he is not of the explosive panic kind, he has been known to pull back violently and has broken many halters whenever he feels the need to become claustrophobic. Fortunately he has been “mostly” reformed. He can stand tied 99% of the time but I still don’t trust him enough to be tied to anything solid. He has a leather halter, lead ropes are tied with an emergency release option, and all of it is attached to baling twine. I will never tie him to anything other than baling twine. If he pulls, it pops off, no harm done. Unfortunately he cannot stand without being tied. Think 4yr old ADHD boy. Yeah crossties are our only option, but with the twine I at least feel safer about it.

Just two weeks ago a young girl at our barn tied her horse to a fence board. Horse had a history of pulling back, previously broke a cross-tie post in half. Anyway, horse spooked, pulled back violently, and rammed the girl into the ground. She hit her head, had a seizure, and went into cardiac arrest. Luckily her Mom was close by and was able to perform CPR and bring her back. She will be ok thankfully, but it was definitely a reminder about tying safely.

And definitely a great idea to be careful with who handles your horse. I am in a situation now that is fully self care and I am always there for all farrier and vet work, but there could always be a situation where other people must handle my horse. I would never trust him to be tied to anything solid so it really important that I don’t inadvertently put him or other people in a potentially dangerous situation.

I’m in this club as well. I do tell all BOs and BMs that my mare cannot tie, but I also make only leather or breakaway halters available for use. I have a gorgeous personalized nylon halter that I use, but it’s tucked away so not easily accessible to others.

Also, the blocker tie ring has been a godsend for my mare. She’ll tie to that just fine. But tie her hard and fast, and she just loses her mind in panic. She’ll actually begin shaking and rolling her eyes around in her head before you even finish tieing the knot. :frowning:

I really don’t think it’s curable in all horses. That blind panic they go through… their mind isn’t even engaged at that point, so how on earth would you train through it?

I never tie mine “solid” but she does fine with a blocker tie ring as well as a bungee cord. Tied to the trailer my friend observed her rear on the bungee cord and then stand calmly- she panics when she meets solid resistance but we avoid that with the bungee cord. I am teaching her how to stand still using food as a reinforcer. She has enough good qualities that I can deal with this one issue. She’s an OTTB who never really learned to tie.

How to Teach a Horse to Tie

http://web.wt.net/~stovall/tie.htm

“If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.”

That applies to some horses and owners. For some horses, it really is more expensive-- in terms of risk to horse and human life-- to try and “fix it” than it’s worth. For some potentially “fixable” horses, the owner just can’t take the training or don’t know how to do it.

No problem, either way. There are also many more horses out there who live on a No Tie basis that people usually admit. Talented expensive ones that threaten to do damage? Compromises are made and the otherwise well-schooled horse just has a hole in his education or mind.

I have been the person sent in to “fix” the No Tie horse. It’s not a job I want.

I do believe that, all things being equal, owners of the apparently No Tie horse should make an intelligent effort to see if he can be reformed. This is for the reasons you guys mention-- it’s convenient to tie horses and the rest of the world is wont to screw up and tie them. It’s much easier for man and beast if the horse knows the same basic rules most people he will meet have in play.

I own a pullback horse-I did not KNOW that until he was tied and I was caught between him and the wall.

He pulled back, panicked and thrashed and I was slammed and slammed like a rag doll.

Thank GOD his lead rope hardware finally broke.

I have Blocker Tie Rings at every place possible-washracks, inside trailers, outside trailers.

LITERALLY best money every spent. EVER.

He can safely be ‘tied’ (I ONLY use the mildest setting) and I can go about my business if I have to.

I tried for a long LONG time to rehab him and not worth it for either of us thanks to the Blocker.

I have one that does not crosstie well. He knows he can break the ties and just raises his head until they break. Sometime he will freak once they break, others he will just stand there. He will single tie all day though, especially if he can stand next to a wall. I have taught him to ground tie and is usually good and does not move a muscle.

This is also a horse that you can’t use a chain over the nose on and hates poll pressure. With a chain he rears, and with poll pressure he panicks.

He only has leather and breakaway halters just in case.

I am the owner of a pullback. He stands fine crosstied, straight tied in a stall/trailer/to my arena wall (usually). I know better than to try to tie him to our hitch rail/trailer/paddock fence or a random tree on the trail. In his eyes, these objects are as unsafe to tie a horse to as a picnic table/swingset/door knob. I understand his thinking and while it may sometimes be inconvenient, we get along fine.

I ride a horse that pulls back, not only when tied, but when steady pressure of any kind is applied to his head. Even standing there holding him, he will freak out and pull back if the handler doesn’t release pressure on his face.

It’s not a big deal if one knows how to handle the horse: tack up in the stall, remember to hold the lead rope/reins loosely, and stay with him in when he’s standing untied in the washrack so he can’t wander off. If he does try to pull back, either let go of him or follow him with your feet until he stops.

Not everyone knows him and his little quirks, so sometimes he reminds us. :rolleyes: Just recently, my friend saw me picking out this horse’s feet in the washrack before a ride and came over to hold his bridle while my back was turned. She thought she was helping by holding my horse! He started trying to pull his hind foot away from me, so I look up to see him in full-on panic mode, trying desperately to pull back against the pressure on the reins. I backed away from the terrified horse and said to my friend, “let go.” It’s a really counter-intuitive thing to let a horse get loose on purpose, but it was the safest thing for her to to do in the moment. Thank goodness no one was hurt and that my friend was able to trust me and listen to what I was saying while faced with a panicking horse!

Written instructions are a good idea, but sometimes I wish this guy came with instructions on his forehead! It’s just not possible to explain the horse’s little quirk and how to deal with it while he’s flying backward with someone clinging to his headstall.

I use to own one, she was not a panic type it was totally just to get free. She had a special way of pulling back that it always broke the snap on her halter then twisted her head and the halter would fall off and then she was free. She did this whenever she decided she wanted to leave, it was a pain. She was sold for other reasons later but nothing really ever changed her mind, when she decided she was doing something she was doing it.

Now I have another horse that doesn’t tie well mostly because he can untie ANYTHING, he can only be straight tied with a tie and not a lead rope or he will be gone. He has even undone snaps before. He is at a school barn were they tie everything to bailing twine, he has also learned he can chew through the twine. So creative…

[QUOTE=Tom Bloomer;5337057]
How to Teach a Horse to Tie

http://web.wt.net/~stovall/tie.htm[/QUOTE]

I have seen this method work on young horses, and agree that it might be beneficial… but for older, confirmed pullbacks, the possibility of a broken leg or neck is too real.

I do not have any die hard pullers…but I do have one horse that was a puller when young and a horse that has suddenly spooked then pulled, then paniced even more and broke free with no injury…for this reason everyone at my barn is tied with TheClip…regardless of its history. I also take one with me where ever my horses go.

Dalemma

I have had several pullers-the first when I was just a twerp at 9 years old. Watching a horse pull back tied to a manger (draft-style barn…circa 1900) and tear it to pieces is horrifying. Lesson learned-NEVERtie at a level below the withers. The sellers failed to disclose that fact when we bought him-luckily mom had dealt with pullers before and knew what to do.

Currently, I have a gelding who pulls randomly-other times he stands like a gentleman. I deal with it by not tying him hard and fast-I just throw the lead over the wall/rail/whatever-OR I tie him on good footing, high, so that if he DOES wig out, he can’t get any traction.

I am a firm believer in the ‘Tree of Patience’, although somewhat modified from T. Bloomer’s link. I have yet to have a young horse not stand tied-all of my babies get tied with mom from a young age (as soon as they start nibbling at moms M&F supp) for short, fully supervised periods-mom gets some and baby gets some in their own pan. I don’t have anywhere at the moment to teach NewHorse how to stand like a big boy, so rather than ingrain the habit, we just avoid it for now. One thing I have never mastered is teaching a horse to stand in crossties-they are so rarely used around here its almost not worth worrying about, but the more they know…right?

I have another mare who is hilarious about tying. She unties herself, walks over to her nearest tied neighbor, unties THAT horse, then eithers stands with that rope in her mouth, or walks off with that lead in her mouth. This usually occurs during something boring, like when the shoer comes, and she’s tired of waiting for her turn.

I have one boarded with me. He is a 23 year old TB who has backed out of cross ties all of his life. I just tie him in the wash stall, because there’s a wall behind him. He doesn’t try it in there.

I have one now that just refuses to stay tied, it just really bothers him if his nose isn’t all up in your business. But he’s very calm and calculated about it. My first horse was a puller though, I don’t know how many halters and lead ropes I went through since I was just a kid and nobody told me any better. I did eventually learn to just loop the line over instead of using a knot. I don’t really like much that Clinton Anderson does nowadays but I do find his tying method makes sense, using the Blocker ring and a long line to teach the horse to tie better. Although, I have the time and patience to mess around doing that and I understand a lot of people just don’t and some horses probably just will never be ‘ok’.

I am a huge believer in theClip (same idea as the blocker tie). HUGE.

I owned a TERRIBLE pullback horse. OTTB. I have a thread about his old breakaway saving his life when he panicked and flipped up in cross ties (I was not aware of the pull back issue at that point).

And he got so much better with theClip. To where he didn’t panic “just because” anymore.

And then there would STILL be folks who would tie him (farrier who got there early and didn’t wait for me to show, etc.) so I have many broken halters.

I look forward to reading your link Tom, as I am training my filly to tie this spring (she’s just a wild thing living out in the herd for the winter). When the BOs indoor went in, we put a very high ring on the solid wood wall and that has been a good place to work on tieing for us…I’m interested to see what you suggest.